EDC Flashlight Usage In Iraq (What Works And What Don't)

stealthedc

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Hello all,

After two months in Iraq (US Army, Truck Driver), I was wanting to share what works well for me and what doesn't, to maybe shine some light on common schools of thought, indirectly.

In Iraq, I have 4 flashlights that I use on a fairly daily basis. They are a Fenix EO1, a Fenix PD20, Surefire G2L, and a older model Princeton Tec headlamp (Quad I think). The PT was issued by my unit, and I can sign for a Surefire light with weapon's mount, but I haven't. What I have is equally as good and I don't want the liability for it's loss or theft.

I share my experience in Iraq because that is an example of extreme usage. So you can be confident that these lights are but to the real world test.

Without further ado:

The Fenix EO1 is an awesome light. Combined with a carabiner, it serves multiple needs. On the road it is a small light I can go to for simple tasks while driving or riding shotgun. And the carabiner lets me put it wherever I want, which is always in some easy access spot. Back on base, it serves as a nightlight, which is all so important when you sleep with buddies, have to pee in a bottle at night, or whatever you might need a little handy light for. Another plus about this light is that it easily fits between the sidewall of a cap and your head, making it an ideal impromptu headlamp. This works well for port-a-john type usage and you won't be heartbroke if by some slim chance it fell in. Recommended.

The Fenix PD20 is another awesome light. For needing to light up someting on the road or on my truck or whatever, it is a versitle light. it rides in a molle pouch attached to my vest in easy access. I have a piece of gutted paracord for hanging it or making sure I don't drop it. We all know what this flashlight can do, and it serves that niche. I save the batteries in it by using my EO1 more for low light needs, so I almost always use this light on turbo-high. My only complaint is the reverse clicky. woud. be awesome if it started with a forward clicky and then soft presses after the click. For example, forward clicky (to allow tactical usage of turbo), but a soft press once it is one to get to strobe. The implementation of a forward clicky with soft press after the click would IMO make this flashlight perfect.

The two Fenix flashlights are well built and the PD20 has never failed me. The EO1 had a couple minor issues with the light flickering and not wanting to come on, but that was a couple times and I feel that as a back-up it is fine, but it should not be the only light you carry. I still like the EO1 as my favorite 1 cell, as I had and Infinity Ultra completly die on my and an Innova X1 is just to big and bulky for a 1 cell. I have not had other one cells, but the EO1 is a good one if you are looking for that platform. They also don't get nasty with all the sand and dirt and grit and grime that they come in contact with.

The Surefire is somewhat of a letdown. It is my first SF. It is big and bulky and not as bright as the PD20. Because of the momentary on/twist design, the funk builds up gunk in where it turns on. Battery life is not as good. Not all that bright, which is kind of dissapointing when I am looking for leaks underneath a truck. I wear it with a SF holster on my belt. It is uncomfortable to wear with body armor (vest), so it doesn't go on missions with me. I have all the confidence in the Fenix though. I still carry it everyday and use it everyday, and the holster is nice and works well, but it is not something that leaves me impressed or exceeds my expectations. It simply carries out the daily tasks I put it through, but it is almost like the lazy kid who does the bare minimum to keep from getting disciplined.

The Princeton Tec is a dissapointment. This headlamp was issued by my unit. I believe it is the quad model. It was brand new. It looks just like the quad tactical, less the color of the plastic and headband. I have a red filter in it and thus it is a red or white light. At any rate, while everyone talks about how great headlamps are for hands free, (and the PD20 fits under the cap as well) that is only true as long as they work as a headlamp. My PT broke with minimal usage, from actually bouncing around in the truck. So now it is an akward to hold small flashlight as opposed to a headlamp. Whether it breaks in usage or not is moot, it doesn't stand up to abuse. It broke because little plastic pins keep the headlamp mounted to the plastic base, and one of those broke. I would recommend a flashlight, and a red or white flashlight like the princeton tec is awesome, just not the construction. I would try a headlamp again if it was constructed well, but I am not going to drop my money on one right now. Probably when I get back I will.

I also have a Surefire Helmet Light. It has an Infared Strobe, 3 green/yellow led's with 3 levels of light, and 2 red led's with 3 levels of light. this light is decent, but it turns on super easy. Even though it has a lockout feature to prevent accidental activation, that did not happen to me. There are so many ways to turn it on and increase/decrease the voltage and so many that it is complicated at first, and easy to accidentally activate always. Also the construction leave something to be desired as the switches are cheap rubbery-plastic. The light is not very bright, but it is a super-tactical low light, but it still at times is not bright enough, especially the red led's. It runs on one CR123A, which I don't understand why since it is so efficient it could run on a AAA or AA, but I guess SF wouldn't do that. Still, when I wan't a fresh battery in the PD20, the used battery goes in the SF helmet light and it works just fine. Only I don't use it that much.

The PD20 and SF are getting nicked and dings in them, but going strong, the EO1 has the typical loss of paint that you get just from carrying it in your pocket, but other than that, they are all going strong, less the Princeton Tec. This set-up works well for me now. I might change it up again at some point.

Hope this helps...
 
I think highly of the SureFire G2's, but the emitter in the SureFire G2L isn't SF's best work by any means. Ever thought about putting a Malkoff M60 in it? (Assuming you have the aluminum head/bezel). It will bring it to a totally new level of performance. My two lumens,

BTW thanks for the service reports.
 
i have the surefire G2 and yes, it was dim and dissapointing compared to other models, but I have just come to the conclusion that I am buying a SF for the body not for the emitter, it needs something like the M60 to be fully appreciated. Think of it like this, if you are rich, you get a girl for her body and looks. If you are not, you get a girl with a good heart but maybe not as robust. But if you are smart you get a great body and drop an even better heart in...ok so the last one doesn't make sense, but my teacher always said i was as good with metaphors as a monkey with a pitchfork...
 
Thanks for your service - and a great review!

I'm thinking of the shortlived headlamp. My guestimate is that a zebralight H50/H50b should stand up better to that kind of rough real world usage. Any comments on that?
 
Welcome Stealth, I'm not surprised your G2L didn't quite live up to your expectations, I have one too and find the P60L a little underpowered for my tastes. As a result it lives on my shelf, doesn't really get any use at all unless it's the closest light around.

I would also recommend a Malkoff Drop-in, it'll completely transform your G2L and provide a nicer, fuller, more useful beam. I'd recommend getting the M60L since you probably would want a longer runtime without the heat issues that nitrolon my run into (LED's need to siphon heat away from themselves). If the M60L is too much to swallow (they run ~$55) I'd go back to basics and drop in an incandecent (bulb) P60 from Surefire. There's just something about a full-spectrum beam, especially for outdoor use, you'll see truer colors and more depth with an incandescent, but runtime would suffer.
 
Great review, thanks for your post.

I just picked up a light to send to the Kid in Afghanistan.

I have a Solarforce R2-M bulb that I am not using. It would fit your G2L (if the big spring is removed)

If you send me your address I'll post it to you.
 
Great reports... thanks.

I was pretty disappointed with my 6PL when I first bought it. I'm planning on a Malkoff M60LL... 18 hours of almost flat runtime!!! Seems like that would work great for you. As would any of the Malkoff products.

Most importantly, THANK YOU for your service. Keep up the good work.
 
Thank you for that insightful post.

may i too suggest a Malkoff for your G2.

And i have to agree completely about the E01. Its the light that can go anywhere, because its fairly rugged, enough light for most tasks, runs forever, and is cheap to replace.

Crenshaw
 
I reported this in a separate thread, but our son has had excellent results with the Solarforce L2 (R2 5-mode lamp) we gave him in Afghanistan... they were searching caves and where the Army's lights failed to note anything unusual, the L2 with it's R2 was intense enough for them to notice that the mud on the walls in the back of the cave looked unusual, so they investigated and un-earthed a cache of taliban weapons! Flashlights can be extremely important in the world! I almost bought him a SF G2 to take with him over there, but decided the Solarforce L2 R2 was a better choice - and it was less costly.

Thank you for your service and the report!
 
thanks for the great first hand info and for serving :grin2:

If you like the LD20 but aren't too fond of the reverse clicky, i believe you can use the tailcap from the L2T to make it a forward cliky. Or perhaps you might like a Quark 2AA tactical with warm tint :naughty:?

And you definitely can't go wrong with a zebralight for a headlight imo. It's a tough little light that's bright as hell for its size. Versatile too since you can remove it from the headband and just have a clip on it, or just have it standing on a flat surface like a small angle head light, or even attach a rare earth magnet to the bottom of it and you could stick it to the side if your truck if you needed some light (got that idea here)
 
Wow, I can't believe that was my first post. That is why I never made an introduction. I think I have been a lurker for years on this forum. It is great and has turned me into a poor man's flashaholic, with just a couple high end lights and a ton of lights in general...

I really want to try the Malkoff. Probably will wait till I get back to the states though. But I am not sure if my model has an aluminum head/bezel. I know it is made out of black metal and has a "caution hot" marking on it. I also don't know if it has an aluminum reflector or not, but the malkoff drop in would replace that wouldn't it? and last stupid question. Is the lens plastic or glass? seems to be plastic but I thought SF always had aluminum reflectors and glass lenses. Maybe to offer this entry level SF light?
 
If it is "black metal," then it is aluminum. If it was another type of metal it wouldn't really matter all that much, since it would still dissipate heat. The M60 module has its own optic in it (it isn't a reflector, it is more like a prism). It shouldn't matter what the surefire lens is made of as far as heat tolerances, since LEDs don't give off anywhere near as much heat as incandescent lights. I believe that the G2L lens is Lexan. You shouldn't have to worry about it melting with even the highest output LED.
 
A belated welcome to CPF, stealthedc, and many thanks for your excellent and very informative first post. You have given a very good picture of what works out there, which I am sure will prove very useful information for others who follow you.
 
How about 12 of us send Malkoff five or six bucks to have a drop-in shipped to stealthedc. If it can't be sent to him in the field it could be mailed to his home so so he can get it when he gets back to the states.
 
One thing that people didn't mention is that a M60 in a G2L host you can only run for 15 minutes without doing damage to the M60 module.

This is really the design flaw of the Surefire LED module, too. You can't put a very bright LED in a plastic light because the plastic won't carry the heat away from the LED good enough.

You can put a Malkoff M60L in your G2L, not have all the heat issues, get more light out of it (not too much more) and almost twice the runtime.
 
I reported this in a separate thread, but our son has had excellent results with the Solarforce L2 (R2 5-mode lamp) we gave him in Afghanistan... they were searching caves and where the Army's lights failed to note anything unusual, the L2 with it's R2 was intense enough for them to notice that the mud on the walls in the back of the cave looked unusual, so they investigated and un-earthed a cache of taliban weapons! Flashlights can be extremely important in the world! I almost bought him a SF G2 to take with him over there, but decided the Solarforce L2 R2 was a better choice - and it was less costly.

Thank you for your service and the report!
Hey Dhart what's your sons opinion on SOS and strobe?
 
One thing that people didn't mention is that a M60 in a G2L host you can only run for 15 minutes without doing damage to the M60 module.

This is really the design flaw of the Surefire LED module, too. You can't put a very bright LED in a plastic light because the plastic won't carry the heat away from the LED good enough.

You can put a Malkoff M60L in your G2L, not have all the heat issues, get more light out of it (not too much more) and almost twice the runtime.

He has a G2L, not a G2. The G2L has a metal head, which helps draw heat away from the LED. It might not be as good as an all metal light, but it is still better than a normal G2.
 
The Surefire is somewhat of a letdown. It is my first SF. It is big and bulky and not as bright as the PD20. Because of the momentary on/twist design, the funk builds up gunk in where it turns on. Battery life is not as good. Not all that bright, which is kind of dissapointing when I am looking for leaks underneath a truck. I wear it with a SF holster on my belt. It is uncomfortable to wear with body armor (vest), so it doesn't go on missions with me. I have all the confidence in the Fenix though. I still carry it everyday and use it everyday, and the holster is nice and works well, but it is not something that leaves me impressed or exceeds my expectations. It simply carries out the daily tasks I put it through, but it is almost like the lazy kid who does the bare minimum to keep from getting disciplined.

Refreshing insight in the field performance of the light. The op also cited other concerns besides the output. Perhaps a different light or SF model might better serve the needs? Like say Nitecore Extreme, Solarforce L2M R2 with clip or SF E2DL. These are simple to operate, bright, clicky that don't built up gunk, portable due to compact size and clip availability.
 
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