Ene/Dura-loop roll call - how many?
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TooManyGizmos
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Where is the best place to buy these things in both sizes ....
At the lowest cost ?
They're kinda expensive .
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Where is the best place to buy these things in both sizes ....
At the lowest cost ?
They're kinda expensive .
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joeparker54
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no name brand eneloops - too cheap
24 duraloop AA's
16 duraloop AAA's
and many, many, many more cells of other brands - at least 30 hybrids.
24 duraloop AA's
16 duraloop AAA's
and many, many, many more cells of other brands - at least 30 hybrids.
Locoboy5150
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I just bought an 8 pack of the Sanyo Eneloop AA batteries at Amazon for $20. One of the Target stores near me is selling a 4 pack of the AA Duraloops for about $10.50.
Before you buy Duraloops, make sure that you can tell the difference between them and the relabeled Ray-o-Vacs. Most stores, like Target, sell them for the exact same price on the same display rack. It will be up to you to pick out the right ones because the guys and gals working there will be clueless, I guarantee.
Be careful if you're buying Eneloops online too because there have been several reports from CPF members that were ripped off and sold completely fake Eneloops. Honestly, I would avoid all eBay sellers, Deal Extreme, and Kaidomain, even if they have rock bottom prices on Eneloops. They were where CPF members were sold phony ones. I bought my first 2 packs of Eneloops at Battery Junction and they were the real deals.
fishinfool
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I bought all my eneloops from Thomas Distributing for $9.77 AA-4pk and $9.77 AAA-4pk which also comes with clear plastic battery holders. No problems so far. 
20 Eneloop AA
12 Powerex Imedion AA
12 Powerex Maha AA (Not LSD)
12 Powerex Imedion AAA
Most of the AA is used either Battery pack + Canon 580EX2 flash or battery grip of Canon DSLR which takes 6 AA. Most of my flashlights are either using 18650, RCR123 or 14500.
Just wondering whether it makes more sense to have more LSD instead of Hi-capacity (non LSD) so that we'll be able to squeeze more juice out of LSD instead of recharging non-LSD battery in the beginning of every photo assignment.
12 Powerex Imedion AA
12 Powerex Maha AA (Not LSD)
12 Powerex Imedion AAA
Most of the AA is used either Battery pack + Canon 580EX2 flash or battery grip of Canon DSLR which takes 6 AA. Most of my flashlights are either using 18650, RCR123 or 14500.
Just wondering whether it makes more sense to have more LSD instead of Hi-capacity (non LSD) so that we'll be able to squeeze more juice out of LSD instead of recharging non-LSD battery in the beginning of every photo assignment.
BatteryCharger
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Not sure exactly. Somewhere around 350 Duraloops. That's after I sold over 100...
I have bought a lot of the Duracell Rechargables from Amazon at pretty good prices. I have always received white topped Duraloops from them but i guess there is still a chance to get the black topped Rayovacs.
Black Rose
Flashlight Enthusiast
If your Duraloops have the white tops, they ARE Eneloops just with Duracell labels.
No sense getting rid of them and replacing them with Eneloops.
I don't think they are the same.
28 Eneloop AA
4 Eneloop AAA
10 Duraloop AA
6 Duraloop AAA
Many times I feel this isn't enough.
4 Eneloop AAA
10 Duraloop AA
6 Duraloop AAA
Many times I feel this isn't enough.
BatteryCharger
Flashlight Enthusiast
Sorry, but you're completely wrong.
As to why "Duraloops are on sale all the time" is because Duracell likes to move their product in a competitive way.
Sanyo isn't so much interested in the US market since Duracell already has it covered for them...that's why Eneloops are rare to see on shelves.The absolute fact is that Duracell does not own a NiMh battery factory, so SOMEBODY has to make them...IE Sanyo.
brted
Enlightened
I had so many batteries I had to buy a label maker to keep them straight. But it uses AAA batteries, so I had to buy more batteries . . .
12 AA Eneloops and 12 AA Duraloops
12 AAA Eneloops and 20 AAA Duraloops
core
Newly Enlightened
No argument there.
Now hold on there, that's quite a leap of logic. While I would tend to agree with you (and everyone else), I have yet to see one shred of proof to back this up. Actually I haven't even read any "friend of a friend who works for Duracell told me..." accounts to date.
I'll agree that they behave exactly the same. For some folks, that's good enough for them right there. (A difference which makes no difference is no difference?) But I don't see why that must mean that they are made exactly the same, by the same people. Even coming from the same factory doesn't mean they are made from the same stuff. And what about corporate espionage?
All I'm saying is I'd like to see some data. I realize most people don't care -- as long as it works exactly the same. But always remember...
"I can't believe it's not polish sausage!"
BatteryCharger
Flashlight Enthusiast
This is a company secret, you're never going to find that out. Whoever tells you already signed a non disclosure agreement and they would likely end up in the hole for several million dollars. You might as well ask the president if aliens are real.
Now, let's look at the facts. There are only a handful of companies out there who can truely produce good quality NiMh cells. If you limit that to Japan, there aren't many others than Sanyo. (name one other)
The other problem is that to make such good quality batteries as the Duracells, you have to be a good company, with good technology. Again, Sanyo comes to mind. There have been many, many other companies try to knock off the LSD cell, NOBODY to date has come up with anything better than the Eneloop. Except Duracell - but they don't have a factory. See where I'm going? Then, to top it off, it comes in exactly the same can, with the same negative and positive contacts, same length and diameter, and even the same white insulator on top!
Come on now, don't **** on my leg and tell me it's raining!
Maybe they are made by Sanyo but with a different mix of ingredients or other different process? Bull****. If that was true why would they perform exactly the same?
In the end, it doesn't matter, unless you're an anal freak about your labels. If you take the label off of an Eneloop, and the label off of a Duraloop, and hand them to a battery expert to analyze, he won't be able to tell you the difference even with a gun to his head.
The only other battery manufacturer I know of in Japan with any good technology or money behind them is Sony, and, as far as I know they don't make LSD NiMh cells. Are there any other reputable NiMh manufacturers located in Japan?
Also, like I said, this is why you don't see Eneloop batteries piled up on the shelves everywhere. Duracell is doing that for Sanyo. Sanyo has the factory, Duracell has the distribution network. Notice they never compete against eachother like all the other brands do? Why doesn't Sanyo try to cut Duracell's throat like Energizer and Rayovac does? And why doesn't Sanyo market the Eneloop in the US the same way they do in Europe? I can honestly say I've never even seen an Eneloop in a retail store, ever.
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Has anyone here been in the factory where they put Sanyo and Duracell labels on the same battery?
Has either company confirmed that their batteries the same?
As for the opinion that Sanyo doesn't care about the US market because Duracell is selling their batteries for them, again has either company confirmed this?
That's pretty absurd when you think about it. Sanyo sharing its Eneloop technology with Duracell without getting any recognition is like Chevy allowing some other company to stick their own label on the Corvette without giving Chevy any credit. How likely is that?
By the way, Sanyo Eneloops are sold at Fry's and many online retailers.
Has either company confirmed that their batteries the same?
As for the opinion that Sanyo doesn't care about the US market because Duracell is selling their batteries for them, again has either company confirmed this?
That's pretty absurd when you think about it. Sanyo sharing its Eneloop technology with Duracell without getting any recognition is like Chevy allowing some other company to stick their own label on the Corvette without giving Chevy any credit. How likely is that?
By the way, Sanyo Eneloops are sold at Fry's and many online retailers.
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BatteryCharger
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LOL, you have no idea what you're talking about. Sanyo is not "sharing technology" with Duracell. Duracell DOES NOT make rechargeable batteries of any kind. Every recharageable they sell is rebranded from another company.
As for your Chevy comparison, GM sold engines to many other (competing) auto manufacturers and all sorts of other equipment. (without giving them credit) "Mercury Marine" brand boat engines, for example, are actually made by GM with a Mercury paint job.
BatteryCharger
Flashlight Enthusiast
Anybody who has witnessed this has likely signed a non disclosure agreement. You will not here from them. The factory will NOT ever confirm this, it is a trade secret.
It is an indisputable fact that Duracell "Pre-Charged" batteries are manufactured by a company that is in Japan that is NOT Duracell. Who else has the technology to do so if not Sanyo?
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