Eneloop long term storage and self-discharge test

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I have not read any reports of self-discharge studies on Eneloops over a period of longer than 6 months or so, and I've been curious about storage times out to a year or longer.

Recently I bought some Eneloops that had a date stamp of 2006-08 on the package (were they getting rid of old stock and is that why they were cheap I wonder?) and I thought that was a good opportunity to see if they were still good after 15 months on the shelf.

I put four cells in the C9000 and discharged them right away to see what residual charge they still held. I measured an average of 1380 mAh (+/- 9). My understanding is that the cells were probably charged to about 75% at the factory (that would be somewhere between 1400-1500 mAh), so they have presumably lost only about 100 mAh in over a year of storage. Quite remarkable.

I also wondered about capacity loss through non-usage. Would the cells need some refresh cycles before they could perform to full capacity? I put them on a regular charge a couple of times and measured about 1890 mAh capacity, which seemed a little low compared to the 1950 mAh I have measured on other samples. So I put them through a C9000 break-in cycle, and the capacity increased to about 1935 mAh. I conclude there was some loss of capacity over time, but only a few percent.

Overall, I am thinking that Eneloops are quite robust cells in addition to their low self-discharge characteristics. I have heard it said that some NiMH cells would not take kindly at all to being stored for 2 years without use. Whereas on this evidence I expect that Eneloops would still have a quite usable charge on them and would perform almost to spec.
 
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Re: Eneloop long term storage

I store my NiMH cells in zip lock bags in the crisper drawer of refrigerator.
 
"...Recently I bought some Eneloops that had a date stamp of 2006-08 on the package (were they getting rid of old stock and is that why they were cheap I wonder?)...I have heard it said that some NiMH cells would not take kindly at all to being stored for 2 years without use. Whereas on this evidence I expect that Eneloops would still have a quite usable charge on them and would perform almost to spec..."

3 out of 4 packs that I just bought had the same stamp (the other was "2006-09"). I would also like to know just how long these things can be stored (or even used sparingly) 'period' and still work as effective rechargeables (it'd be nice to stash some away in an emergency kit with a less expensive charger; if practicable).
 
If I may ask when and where did you get these batteries from. I just bought two eightpacks from Circuit city last week because they were on sale for 14 or 15 dollars and haven't done anything with them because I am waiting for a power supply to come in the mail for my Triton2. I just looked.....2006-08, both packages.

Bob E.
 
They're probably fine. I received one pack of 4 AA Eneloops from Thomas Distributing 3 days ago and another pack of 4 AA Eneloops from Amazon yesterday. The date on both packs are 2006-09.
 
If I may ask when and where did you get these batteries from?
I got the ones I tested from Circuit City at their current special price of $15 for 8. Eneloops on display at Fry's have a date code of 2006-10. I'm beginning to think that all Eneloops ever made were made in 2006. Has anybody seen any Eneloops with a recent 2007 date code?
 
If I may ask when and where did you get these batteries from. I just bought two eightpacks from Circuit city last week because they were on sale for 14 or 15 dollars and haven't done anything with them because I am waiting for a power supply to come in the mail for my Triton2. I just looked.....2006-08, both packages.

Bob E.

Bought them at CC also under the exact same circumstances; right down to waiting for a charger.
I keep looking at the Maha 9000; yet am foolishly hoping that some 'breakthrough' unit comes along before I run down my first set of Eneloops. Any word on the long term storage capabilities of these things or what the supposed time/date stamp actually means? I'd like to throw a few in the emergency kit along with a charger if they'd do near as well as the lithiums.
 
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All of the Eneloops I bought at Circuit City had the code 2006-06 on the back, so I'm assuming they were manufactured in June 2006. Even the ones I bought on Thurs from a different CC store had that code.

I'm assuming CC must have bought a large supply and is just trying to clear them out.

I've been using them for about 6 months now, and they perform flawlessly. I use the LaCrosse BC-900... I used the discharge/recharge mode the first cycle on the Eneloops to drain them first, then recharge.

Compared to the Energizer 2500's I had, these Eneloops are quite impressive. I throw a pair in my Canon digital camera and 2 months later, they still work. The Energizers were dead within a week.
 
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Likewise, all of my Circuit City Eneloops (purchased 6 months apart)
have been dated as 2006-08.


3 months ago, bought more Eneloops, this time from Thomas Distrib.,
and they were all dated as 2006-06.


I myself have never seen (or heard of) any Sanyo Eneloops
with a date-code of anything other than 2006.


Perhaps in 2007, they began making 'em for Duracell ?

(said only partially in jest) :candle:



BTW, i now have 3 Dozen AA Eneloops (all dated 2006),
and they all perform admirably ! :twothumbs


And, believe me, i can keep a close-eye on 'em,
using my (wonderful) Maha C-9000 Battery Charger / Analyzer.


Bottom line:
Don't worry about the 2006 date code.
These cells are great !
Use 'em and enjoy guilt-free Lumens at its best. :grin2:

_
 
"..BTW, i now have 3 Dozen AA Eneloops (all dated 2006),
and they all perform admirably ! :twothumbs
And, believe me, i can keep a close-eye on 'em,
using my (wonderful) Maha C-9000 Battery Charger / Analyzer.. :grin2:
_

Wasn't bad enough that you (and others here, thank you) put my fears to rest on the date/stamp...you just had to mention 'the charger' too....:sigh:

I now have almost 3 dozen myself; no way to recharge them and (evidently) no reason whatsoever to be apprehensive about ordering the Maha...:ironic:
:sold::thanks:(to everybody)
 
I put some Eneloops dated 2006-07 into my digital camera without charging them to see how they would fare. 350 pictures and a couple months later and I'm still waiting for the low battery indicator to come on.

These batteries are going to be great for the casual user like me. I'll be able to use my new camera the same way I used my old camera that took li-ion cells -- keep one set in the camera and one charged spare set in my camera bag.
 
I don't think I bought 3 dozen but close to it, and more than a dozen of the AAA. Only regular NiMHs left that I'll use are some 2300 duracells that came with the 15 min charger, and 8 Rayovac IC3 cells. Oh, and I bought a few Cadnica 700mAh AAs for nostalgic reasons, and two 250mAh AAA Cadnica cells with the (yet untried) intention of solar-charging them at work.

I have checked most of the Eneloop AAs on the Maha 9000 (wonderful machine, BTW) and got similar results to the previous fellow. 1200-1400 on initial (500ma) discharge, and Break-In mode reporting capacities in the lower 1900s. (And all had late 2006 dates on them)

No luck trying to sell, or now, give away, the 48 previous NiMH cells I was using. And that after weeding out a bunch when I first got the 9000 and did my one-month charge retention tests.
 
Yep !

That charger,

and

Those batteries,

are sure to spoil you ! :grin2:


You'll never again be happy with anything else ! :devil:

:twothumbs
_
 
I had a bunch of Sanyo 2500 mAh AA's and 900 mAh AAA's that I bought at Costco a couple of years ago that came with very nice Sanyo chargers. All those batteries had lost the ability to hold a charge for more than a couple of days. I tried contacting Sanyo about them but they were very difficult to deal with, requiring, among other things, a receipt, and saying that the batteries were only designed to have about a two year operational life, (this despite the original packaging saying 5 years!)

Anyway, I was so happy I was able to return the two sets of these I had purchased from Costco, at Costco, and replace them with two packs of those Costco Eneloops during the sale, at no additional out of pocket cost to me. Since I wanted to keep the original Sanyo chargers that came with the non-Eneloop Sanyo batteries, it was really nice that Costco was willing to allow me to return the old batteries with the new Eneloop chargers. Since everything was made by Sanyo, Costco didn't care. So that is how I got rid of my prematurely useless Sanyo's and now am happily using 24 Eneloops at no additional cost.

I was up front about everything with Costco and they were great the way they accommodated what I wanted to do. I just hope the Eneloops are happy being charged at a higher charge rate than those slow Eneloop chargers put out.
 
I can't help but wonder if the problem with the all those 2 year old Sanyo NiMH's was in fact the charger(s). Cells are not usually that consistent, but bad chargers can kill them consistently.

-- Alan
 
I tried contacting Sanyo about them but they were very difficult to deal with... saying that the batteries were only designed to have about a two year operational life, (this despite the original packaging saying 5 years!)

Anyway, I was so happy I was able to return the two sets of these I had purchased from Costco, at Costco, and replace them with two packs of those Costco Eneloops during the sale...

As I understand it, when you return something to Costco, they just return it to the manufacturer. So Costco did for you what Sanyo should have done initially.

It's disappointing that Sanyo didn't want to help you out. One thing I noticed about Sanyo packaging that has me a bit worried, is there's nothing about Sanyo replacing anything the batteries destroy. My old I-C3 packaging did have a statement like that.
 
Well, some of the cells probably were better than others but they all were not performing as well as they used to and they had not been subjected to many charge cycles. Probably only about 20 or so.

Anyway, I thought people here might be interested to see the actual email I received from Sanyo about two weeks after I emailed them about the problems with my cells, so here it is:

Dear xxx,

[FONT=&quot]Thank you for your interest in Sanyo batteries. In regards to your inquiry, the Sanyo limited warranty warrants that the product will be free from defects in materials and workmanship for five years from the date of purchase. This warranty does not cover the repair of [sic] adjustment of any product whose serial number has been altered, defaced, or removed. This warranty does not apply to repairs or replacements necessitated by any cause beyond the control of SEC including but not limited to, any malfunction, defect, or normal wear and tear and use.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Typically, the life span of traditional nickel metal hydride batteries have a shelf life of approximately 1-2 years, depending on the device that you use. Each device that batteries are used in are different. We will replace product with like kind product, if proven to be defective and not that of normal use. If you think they are defective, and not just depleted by normal use, please send them to the following address along with the original receipt of purchase:[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Sanyo Energy (USA)[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Attn: Customer Service[/FONT][FONT=&quot]2600 Network Blvd., #600[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Frisco, Texas 75034[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Best regards,

Customer Service
Sanyo Energy (U.S.A.) Corp.
http://www.eneloopusa.com
http://www.sanyobatteries.com


[/FONT]
 
"..I also wondered about capacity loss through non-usage. Would the cells need some refresh cycles before they could perform to full capacity?..."

Any thoughts on simply keeping them in the package vs introducing a refresher charge at all? I now have (48) '06 manufacture dated Eneloops with a few in the emergency kit and the balance awaiting alkalines to fail. Should I stick every one of them in my MH C9000 on a regular charge, break in cycle or leave them alone until ready to use possibly years later?

Thanks in advance.

Edit: I'm not as concerned with what charge the cell has when I go to use it as I am with what long term storage state (as packaged or charged) is best for the cell if it is never used.
 
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As they retain most of the charge for one year, it is probably sufficient to recharger every 2-3 years. Only if concerned with performance (getting the optimum performance) then you could use a forming charger followed by a couple of charge/discharge cycles to restore maximum perfromance. Otherwise don't bother.
 
Thanks, Bob. Sometimes you just want to buy batteries (ie: primary lithiums) and forget about them until they are needed. It is nice to know that Eneloops fit this application for 'who knows' how many years.
 
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