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Now that I have decided on a dedicated big light for special/planned use (RC40) I need a light for EDC. The MOST IMPORTANT thing is that the light is nearly bulletproof/indestructible and very much shock/waterproof. I also describe in the battery section my wants in more depth. I have the flashlight bug bad, thanks a lot ya jerks...


1) How would you prefer to purchase the light?

____I would like to purchase the light from a brick and mortar store. I am located in ______________.
__XX__I will be mail-ordering or buying online, so this doesn't matter.


2) Budget: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :-)

____Less than $25.
____Less than $50.
____Less than $100.
____Less than $150.
____Less than $300.
__XX__I have no limit.
____I’m flexible, tell me what you gotJ.
____Other, please specify ________


3) Format:

__XX__I want a flashlight.
____I want a headlamp.
____I want a lantern.
____I want a dive light.
____I want a portable spotlight.


4) Flashlight-specific format/size:

____Keychain size.
__XX__Every day carry small (2-4 inches).
__XX__Every day carry medium (4-7 inches).
____Holster carry.
____Big enough to need its own travel caseJ.
____I don’t care.
____I don’t know.
____N/A


5) Emitter/Light source:

____LED (known for efficiency, longevity, and compactness)
____Incandescent (known for superior color rendition)
____HID (known for max output, but often at the expense of size)
__XX__I don't know.


6) Manufacturer:

__XX__I want to buy a light from a traditional mass producing manufacturer that is ready to go out of the box.
__XX__I would consider getting a light that is pieced together (for example a “host” or flashlight body from one manufacturer, and a “drop-in” emitter from another source). Under the right circumstances, this path can provide more options to the consumer to meet specific needs, and can often be easily upgradeable as technology improves.


7) What battery type do you want to use?

__XX__I intend to use alkaline batteries (AAA, AA, C, D) (disclaimer, while it does not preclude all choices, these are not recommended for many of today’s most powerful lights)
____I intend to use rechargeable nickel chemistry (NiCad, NiMH, NiZn)
__XX__I intend to use lithium primary batteries (CR123, CR2, Energizer Advanced/Ultimate Lithium AA/AAA)
____I intend to use rechargeable lithium (li-ion) chemistry. Feel free to specify a size if you know which size you want (14500, RCR123/16340, 17500, 17670, 18650, etc.)
____I want a light with an integrated rechargeable battery. (Note: these choices may be very limited unless you are looking at spotlights)

WOULD LIKE A LIGHT WHICH USES AAA/AA/C/D sizes in case of emergency or limited battery supply(in which case I am ok with a light that will not support the highest output level with these standard batteries. For this reason i would also like to stay away from CR123 type batteries.


8) How much genuine out the front (OTF) light do you want/need? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is impossible).

____I want to navigate a dark room or read a map (0-10 lumens).
____I want to walk around an unlit rural area (50-150 lumens).
____I want to illuminate my entire backyard or a campsite (150-300 lumens).
__XX__I want to illuminate an entire field, the neighbor's front yard several houses down, impress my friends and neighbors, etc. (300-700 lumens).
__XX__I want ridiculous amounts of lumens (800+ lumens).


9) Throw vs. Flood: At what distance will you be most likely to use this light? Select all that apply.

____Less than 1 yard/meter (reading, other close work)
____Less than 5 yards/meters (looking for something inside a dark shed/garage/basement)
____5-20 yards/meters (check out a noise in the backyard)
__XX__30-50 yards/meters (I have a big backyard)
__XX__50-150 yards/meters (I live in a very rural area/farm with wide open spaces)
____150+ yards (I want maximum throw possible)


10) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims, but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries (Measured on maximum output).

____Up to 30 minutes (I want the brightest [and potentially smallest] light for brief periods)
____30-60 minutes (I have plenty of batteries just ready to be changed)
____90-120 minutes (Runtime is moderately important, but still not critical)
__XX__3 hours + (I critically need this light to run on max for extended periods in between battery changes/charges).


11) Durability/Usage: Generally the old phrase “you get what you pay for” is very accurate for flashlights.

____Not Important (A “night-stand” light).
____Slightly Important (Walks around the neighborhood).
____Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box).
__XX__Critical (Police, Fire, Search & Rescue, Caving, Survival).
____I don't care.
____I don’t know.


12) Switch Type and location (choose all that apply):

____I want a forward clicky (Helpful for momentary activation and signaling).
____I want a reverse clicky (For use with multi-mode/level lights).
____I want a momentary switch (Predominantly for use with signaling and short bursts of momentary light only).
____I want a twisty switch (Tighten the head/tailcap to activate, and the light will stay on until the head/tailcap is loosened).
__XX__I want a body mounted switch (near the head, like on a Maglite).
__XX__I want a tail mounted switch (found on the majority of today’s high end lights).
____I don't care.
____I don’t know.
____Other, please specify____________________.


13) User Interface (UI) and mode selection. Select all that apply.

____A simple on-off with only one output level is fine for me.
__XX__I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
__XX__I want multiple light levels. (Some lights have 5-16 light levels.)
____I want a programmable light.
____I want a selector ring.
____I want a strobe mode. (Blinks to show location.)
____I want SOS mode.
____I want a beacon mode.
____I don’t care.
____I don’t know.


14)Material/Finish/Coating

____Plastic/composite body (this may limit your choices significantly).
____Anodized Aluminum – either type II or III (Hard Anodized) (Aluminum, specifically HA, is the most common material/finish for today’s flashlights).
____Stainless steel (durable, but much heavier than aluminum)
____Titanium (durable and nearly as lightweight as aluminum, but can be moderately to significantly more expensive).
____I don’t care.
__XX__I don’t know.
____Other, please specify____________.


15) Special Needs/extras: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Select any below.

____Red filter (for preserving night vision).
____Other filter colors (Amber, Green, Blue, _________).
____Dedicated R/G/B secondary LEDs.
____“Hybrid” light (bright incandescent combined with long running LEDs)
__would be a plus__Pocket/belt clip
____Holster
____Wrist/Neck Lanyard
____Crenulated bezel
____Non-sparking Intrinsically Safe (IS) for use in explosive environments

If I need to clarify anything just ask! I am a fast responder :)

And thank you very much for input, as always.


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Sorry I saw you check off the CR 123 box.
No worries I checked that box because I intend to use "Energizer Advanced/Ultimate Lithium AA/AAA" when available, but would like to be able to use standard batteries if they are not readily available at the time. :)
 
__XX__I want to illuminate an entire field, the neighbor's front yard several houses down, impress my friends and neighbors, etc. (300-700 lumens).

To have that level of brightness on AA batteries you need to go for at least a 2xAA but even better 3xAA or 4xAA flashlight: I'm not sure the size you are looking for your EDC but with 3xAA or more, the lights tend to be heavy and wide at best. With a 2xAA, you'd probably have to go for an XM-L light to around 300 lumens. Maybe the Quark QTA or QPA or the Eagletac D252A both with XM-L2?
Pretty solid lights but I'm not sure if nearly indestructible!
 
I'm ok with a little fatty light(4xAA) or something a little smaller. Ideally it would be something that I can recharge but when away from power sources can swap in Lithium AA or even standard AA batteries in a pinch.
 
I also wanted to add that I am OK with a C-cell thickness and even D-cell thickness if that opens up my options. Id like to keep overall length under 7" though.
 
Extreme durability and a battery carrier (short, fat AA light) don't work together, so I'll recommend a Surefire E2L AA; or a Peak AA model, ElCapitan, Logan 17500, or a FR/SR model with the AA extension.
 
Extreme durability and a battery carrier (short, fat AA light) don't work together, so I'll recommend a Surefire E2L AA; or a Peak AA model, ElCapitan, Logan 17500, or a FR/SR model with the AA extension.

Maybe I jumped into this with too little knowledge :/ Sorry, I'm new. Do CR123 type batteries exist as rechargeable? If so that may not be so bad, but I cant be buying them at $4 a piece or anything close to that, just to be throwing them away. Drop proof, water proof are a 100% must(are there lenses out there that will not break?) I can recharge a battery weekly or even daily if need be, but if I am away from a power source for 4-5months I would like to be able to replace those rechargeables with some kind of common(easy to find) battery. Are there solar chargers?(that work?). My eyes are very light sensitive, so I would be OK using a lower lumen setting most of the time, but would really like to have a high output light to signal if the opportunity arose. Per usual I feel I am diving in too deep and asking for something that doesn't exist. Believe me the input from you knowledgeable folk is overwhelmingly appreciated. :thumbsup:
 
Maybe I jumped into this with too little knowledge :/ Sorry, I'm new. Do CR123 type batteries exist as rechargeable? If so that may not be so bad, but I cant be buying them at $4 a piece or anything close to that, just to be throwing them away. Drop proof, water proof are a 100% must(are there lenses out there that will not break?) I can recharge a battery weekly or even daily if need be, but if I am away from a power source for 4-5months I would like to be able to replace those rechargeables with some kind of common(easy to find) battery. Are there solar chargers?(that work?). My eyes are very light sensitive, so I would be OK using a lower lumen setting most of the time, but would really like to have a high output light to signal if the opportunity arose. Per usual I feel I am diving in too deep and asking for something that doesn't exist. Believe me the input from you knowledgeable folk is overwhelmingly appreciated.

Since you have a fairly robust budget and you have such diverse needs and you need redundancy and durability. Have you ever considered getting 2 lights one more of a thrower and another one which is more EDC oriented. If you run off of 18650 batteries you will get ridiculous runtimes on lower lumens and if you need you can swap in CR 123 primaries which you can find anywhere.
 
Since you have a fairly robust budget and you have such diverse needs and you need redundancy and durability. Have you ever considered getting 2 lights one more of a thrower and another one which is more EDC oriented. If you run off of 18650 batteries you will get ridiculous runtimes on lower lumens and if you need you can swap in CR 123 primaries which you can find anywhere.

Well Im getting my RC40 in next week, so I have the real high power light covered. Of course I will only have that with me when I know ill need it, due to size I cant carry that light daily. I am not opposed to an 18650 battery if I can use disposable batteries in a pinch(even if they are CR123's I suppose..). The light to me follows the same mentality as my firearms, it needs to work and work well, and at the expense of my life I don't care what it costs.
 
Keep in mind that "water proof", means a dive light. Most quality lights will be very water resistant though.

For durability, look into Surefire, HDS, and Peak.

Yes there are rechargeable 123 sized batteries (RCR123), but you need to read up on lithium -ion battery safety. CR123 batteries can be had for about $1 apiece online.
 
Keep in mind that "water proof", means a dive light. Most quality lights will be very water resistant though.

For durability, look into Surefire, HDS, and Peak.

Yes there are rechargeable 123 sized batteries (RCR123), but you need to read up on lithium -ion battery safety. CR123 batteries can be had for about $1 apiece online.

As in batteries that explode!? $1 each is not bad at all actually, I was going off the prices from the local store where you can buy a single or two pack CR123. As far as waterproof I'm a waterphobe so if it was under more than 5ft or so it would stay there haha. Something that runs normally on 18650 and can be swapped to CR123 in a pinch looks like my ticket for what im looking for here.
 
Well Im getting my RC40 in next week, so I have the real high power light covered. Of course I will only have that with me when I know ill need it, due to size I cant carry that light daily. I am not opposed to an 18650 battery if I can use disposable batteries in a pinch(even if they are CR123's I suppose..). The light to me follows the same mentality as my firearms, it needs to work and work well, and at the expense of my life I don't care what it costs.
I understand your train of thought that you are coming from and your mentality. Take a look at the Armytek Viking Pro and see if you can handle that type of light size wise. It might be exactly what you're looking for. It will enable you to use rechargeables primaries even different battery chemistries.
 
I understand your train of thought that you are coming from and your mentality. Take a look at the Armytek Viking Pro and see if you can handle that type of light size wise. It might be exactly what you're looking for. It will enable you to use rechargeables primaries even different battery chemistries.
Wow thanks for the rec, that Viking looks like it might be the ticket! Any other models that are close or better competitors that I should look into?
 
I would say look into a Mc gizmo for the "it needs to work and work well, and at the expense of my life" In 123 format recharge rcr's or cr123 good run times but not the light up a football field torch, you can also get a 2X AA pack for it and have options.
If you want power and high end look at Torchlab modular triple or a Mac custom (if you can wait) these work best with IMR batts due to high Amp draw but you must take care with any high power torch and cr123 primarys on High as they will explode
There is also the p60 drop in, in more flavors than BR ice cream and a good host again power vs cr123 as back up safety must be considered
Also check out Mallkoff and HDS systems for Bullet proof torches if 100% water tight is not required SPY 007
 
I'm having a hard time with the Armytek lights, Viking 2.5 vs Viking 2.5 PRO. Contrary to the name it seems the non-pro is a better light? The PRO is 850 lumens/270yd/FULL Stabil and the non-PRO is a 1010 lumens/330yd/STEP Stabil ?? How is that?
 
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