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Could one of the mods please set this as a sticky. Great help to new members. :thumbsup:
** Flashlight Recommendation Checklist **
- Thread starter ThomasH
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I think you should add the question: "incan or LED"?
With the pros and cons of each:
1. incan: by that we mean all lights having an ordinary bulb.
pro: all the right colour of the light. Good colour distinction in wet
conditions outdoors, and dark-brown/green colours in the woods.
con: to have a bright light, power consumption (= battery drain) is high.
combination of "small" & "bright" AND long runtime is impossible!
limited lifetime of the bulb, drop it while on and the filament pops!
2. LED: Here, a Light Emitting Diode is responsible for the light output.
pro: LEDs have no filament that can break. 50.000+ hrs. of service!
LEDs still output a reasonable strong light with moderate currents flowing
through it, which means: long runtime, high brightness and small size can
all be yours to a certain extent.
Numerous modes of output possible. Unlike an incan flashlight, you can
regulate the output very well, without sacrificing the efficiency. You can
choose between low output settings (with very long runtimes!) and very
high brightness with short runtime (sometimes less than an hour)!
con: you might not like the blueish colour of the light most LEDs emit.
Recently, manufacturers have come up with "natural white" LEDs that
overcome this problem for the greater part.
limited usability on wet roads, and in the woods. Dark colours don't
reflect the LED-light as well as incan-light.
Is this usable? Maybe in a shorted version :rolleyes:
Timmo.
With the pros and cons of each:
1. incan: by that we mean all lights having an ordinary bulb.
pro: all the right colour of the light. Good colour distinction in wet
conditions outdoors, and dark-brown/green colours in the woods.
con: to have a bright light, power consumption (= battery drain) is high.
combination of "small" & "bright" AND long runtime is impossible!
limited lifetime of the bulb, drop it while on and the filament pops!
2. LED: Here, a Light Emitting Diode is responsible for the light output.
pro: LEDs have no filament that can break. 50.000+ hrs. of service!
LEDs still output a reasonable strong light with moderate currents flowing
through it, which means: long runtime, high brightness and small size can
all be yours to a certain extent.
Numerous modes of output possible. Unlike an incan flashlight, you can
regulate the output very well, without sacrificing the efficiency. You can
choose between low output settings (with very long runtimes!) and very
high brightness with short runtime (sometimes less than an hour)!
con: you might not like the blueish colour of the light most LEDs emit.
Recently, manufacturers have come up with "natural white" LEDs that
overcome this problem for the greater part.
limited usability on wet roads, and in the woods. Dark colours don't
reflect the LED-light as well as incan-light.
Is this usable? Maybe in a shorted version :rolleyes:
Timmo.
I think jucius Maximus is best of with a MagLED 2AA.
This because:
1. it's a LED-light,
2. it's focussable,
3. it's long and slim,
4. it runs from AA batteries, either primaries or rechargeables,
5. I know for sure it's DURABLE,
6. it has a runtime of at least 5 hours (or more).
A SF 6P etc you can forget about:
1. it's too expensive (>$ 45),
2. it's an incan light in standard-guise,
3. it runs from CR123s (special lithium batteries),
4. it cannot be focussed....
5. ... and it doesn't even come close to the 5 hrs. runtime wanted!
Just my 2 cents!
Timmo.
This because:
1. it's a LED-light,
2. it's focussable,
3. it's long and slim,
4. it runs from AA batteries, either primaries or rechargeables,
5. I know for sure it's DURABLE,
6. it has a runtime of at least 5 hours (or more).
A SF 6P etc you can forget about:
1. it's too expensive (>$ 45),
2. it's an incan light in standard-guise,
3. it runs from CR123s (special lithium batteries),
4. it cannot be focussed....
5. ... and it doesn't even come close to the 5 hrs. runtime wanted!
Just my 2 cents!
Timmo.
Juggernaut
Flashlight Enthusiast
An improvement if I do say so:ironic::whistle:.
6 ) How much light do you want? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is impossible).
____I want to read a map, or find a light switch, in a dark room. (5-10 lumens)
____I want to walk around a generally paved area. (15-20 lumens)
____I want to walk unpaved trails. (40 lumens)
____I want to do Caving or Search & Rescue operations. (60+ lumens)
____I want to light an entire campground or dazzle an intruder. (100+ lumens)
____I want my friends to say holy cow, that’s not necessary:ooo:. (250+)
____You have a disorder and need to make all other forms of light look dim:eek:. (370+)
____I want to laugh manically by releasing a totally absurd amount of photons. (450+:crazy:)
____I want to kill darkness, with this light you can exterminate the night. (670+:devil:)
____You have lost all meaning to what is bright and, you need more power:shrug:! (1800+)
____You are no longer trying to illuminate things but are in fact trying to rival the day:faint:. (3000+) “Note: all practicality is gone at this point:ohgeez:”
____I want to destroy all comprehension for what is physically possible on earth:xyxgun:. (5000-16,000)
____You must twist reality to your liking and you are trying to play God:tsk:. (16,000-50,000)
____Your addiction to this “hobby” is scary and you need help:drunk: / or you have way to much money and you should give some to me:broke:. (50,000-1,000,000:caution:)
6 ) How much light do you want? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is impossible).
____I want to read a map, or find a light switch, in a dark room. (5-10 lumens)
____I want to walk around a generally paved area. (15-20 lumens)
____I want to walk unpaved trails. (40 lumens)
____I want to do Caving or Search & Rescue operations. (60+ lumens)
____I want to light an entire campground or dazzle an intruder. (100+ lumens)
____I want my friends to say holy cow, that’s not necessary:ooo:. (250+)
____You have a disorder and need to make all other forms of light look dim:eek:. (370+)
____I want to laugh manically by releasing a totally absurd amount of photons. (450+:crazy:)
____I want to kill darkness, with this light you can exterminate the night. (670+:devil:)
____You have lost all meaning to what is bright and, you need more power:shrug:! (1800+)
____You are no longer trying to illuminate things but are in fact trying to rival the day:faint:. (3000+) “Note: all practicality is gone at this point:ohgeez:”
____I want to destroy all comprehension for what is physically possible on earth:xyxgun:. (5000-16,000)
____You must twist reality to your liking and you are trying to play God:tsk:. (16,000-50,000)
____Your addiction to this “hobby” is scary and you need help:drunk: / or you have way to much money and you should give some to me:broke:. (50,000-1,000,000:caution:)
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axd
Newly Enlightened
Maybe another criterium:
Just a thought on stickyness of threads: while the PDF is an improvement, the associated wiki (http://www.cpfwiki.com/Wiki/index.php/Main_Page) seems to be a far better place to condense such interesting information:
-alex-
- do you need to use it for signalling? (E.g. Streamlight Sidewinder cannot be used for this, anyway not at a fast rate)
Just a thought on stickyness of threads: while the PDF is an improvement, the associated wiki (http://www.cpfwiki.com/Wiki/index.php/Main_Page) seems to be a far better place to condense such interesting information:
- it can be updated whenever new criteria pop up
- it reduces the noise in the forum
-alex-
NonSenCe
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Got two, kinda updated versions of checklist for beginner for everyone here to browse thru and make comments.. and some things possibly to be added into the "orginal checklist".
First one.. is just things i kinda wanted to add to the checklist seen here.. updating it abit. as it seems lacking several attributes new lights have in them. (like programmable lights)
and second one i started before this one and aimed it more into introduction/checklist/newbie buyer guide to flashlights..
but i see that i keep merging my thoughts to both. thoughts that i think are important to new user to know of before choosing something a more flashaholic person suggests.
i thought about starting a separate thread for these but thought that atleast this first one should go into this sticky thread for proof reading. as its just my update for original.
second one might be better as separate thread. or as a reply to a "newbies" question.. hahha. (i will post them on following posts as this explanation post is getting long on its own. -i tend to ramble, sorry)
1st one i tried to separate the parts i changed to original checklist. but forgot to save the original version for reference. some places i just added more into sentence.
most of my stuff is written like this..
and then i realised i need to rearrange it better to make it more fluent. and thats where you guys come in.. check them. make your comments and delete the useless stuff and please proof read and GRAMMAR check it! hahhah.
im too tired to do it now and its difficult to see your own mistakes after you have looked at it long enough.
i didnt re-number the sections because i think there should be some kind of voting which should be included and which parts are useless.. re arrange them as you please, and re write if you must and fix the mistakes. i dont mind atm. hah
(i transfer the write up on next post and try to adjust it to fit into this chatroom format. so it might take few minutes :) )
First one.. is just things i kinda wanted to add to the checklist seen here.. updating it abit. as it seems lacking several attributes new lights have in them. (like programmable lights)
and second one i started before this one and aimed it more into introduction/checklist/newbie buyer guide to flashlights..
but i see that i keep merging my thoughts to both. thoughts that i think are important to new user to know of before choosing something a more flashaholic person suggests.
i thought about starting a separate thread for these but thought that atleast this first one should go into this sticky thread for proof reading. as its just my update for original.
second one might be better as separate thread. or as a reply to a "newbies" question.. hahha. (i will post them on following posts as this explanation post is getting long on its own. -i tend to ramble, sorry)
1st one i tried to separate the parts i changed to original checklist. but forgot to save the original version for reference. some places i just added more into sentence.
most of my stuff is written like this..
and then i realised i need to rearrange it better to make it more fluent. and thats where you guys come in.. check them. make your comments and delete the useless stuff and please proof read and GRAMMAR check it! hahhah.
im too tired to do it now and its difficult to see your own mistakes after you have looked at it long enough.
i didnt re-number the sections because i think there should be some kind of voting which should be included and which parts are useless.. re arrange them as you please, and re write if you must and fix the mistakes. i dont mind atm. hah
(i transfer the write up on next post and try to adjust it to fit into this chatroom format. so it might take few minutes :) )
NonSenCe
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ARGHH.. why waste time to write stuff in office like this if they come up like this??
should of checked it before writing the above post.. or actually going thru the motions of finding things i changed!
ok here it is as whole:
Short essee first What will you be using this flashlight for?
0) What Region/Country/State will the light be purchased in?
____I will be mail-ordering or buying online, so this doesn't matter.
Or
____I do want to try and test it before buying what are my options if I am from:
I am in North America. More precisely I am in _______________.
I am from __________________
1) How much you want to pay for it, Price Range: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest!
____I only want to pay $1-15.
____I can spend $20-35.
____I could spend $40-75. (most decent quality lights start here)
____I am willing to spend $80-$120.
____I have budget of 200$
____I have no limit!
____I look for the best bang for my buck per my needs, you suggest me the options?
1.1 How much CAN you pay for it? -see the difference?
Can you wait longer and save up more money for it if neccessary?
___no i need it urgently
___yes i can wait for newer model or better model i have afford now.
How long can you wait for getting it?
___now! (picking it up from store near by if possible)
___few days (postal delivery in same country i am in now)
___few weeks (overseas delivery)
___dont care/months (out of stock or custom made or certain unrelieble vendors that sell cheap but sometimes shipping takes forever)
2)Format:
___i want a Led flashlight. (this qustionaire is more aimed to led lights)
___i want a Incan flashlight
___i want a HID
___i want a speacialized light UV or IR etc.. what: __________
____I want a flashlight.
____I want a headlamp.
____I want a lantern.
____I want a portable spotlight.
3) Length:
.
____1-2 inches. (Keychain sized) -buttoncells and other special small batteries.
____2-4 inches. (Pocket carry) -most 1cell lights (aa/cr123)
____4-9 inches. (Holster carry) -most 2-3 cell lights
____I don’t care.
4) Width:
____I don’t care.
____I prefer a narrow/thin light.
____I prefer a thicker light.
Will you need to use the flashlight with gloves or such?
___yes ___no
I have found that some flashlights can be just too small to use conviniently. (big hands and clumsy)
my sweet spot begins at about 80mm for the small light.. but i prefer to use the 100-120mm long ones, if i need it more than few minutes at a time. (80mm tend to start hide inside my palm when i grip it.) 120Mm is the limit i car to carry in my trouser pockets comfortably anything beyond that needs a holster or similar.
Size is dependant of also how many batteries do you want it to use?
___ One (short pocket carry)
___Two (medium pocket/holster)
___Three or more (big lights high output and mostly for extended runtime)
5)What kind of batteries do you want to use?
In common AAA, AA, C and D formats these are your options:
Alkaline batteries are easier to find in the world and less expensive but don't pack as much stored energy and are don't work well in cold temperatures.
Lithium batteries have long shelf life (10+ years, great for stored emergency lights) and are not as affected by cold but must be kept dry and are more expensive.
Rechargeable batteries like NiMh are at start a bit more expensive, plus added cost of charger but if used frequently they pay off quickly. And some modern rechargable NiMh batteries actually can be stored for several months because of their LowSelfDischarge qualities. They will hold most of their charge for several months.
Most flashlights that use Alkaline can also use Lithium version and rechargable NiMh batteries too.
____I want common Alkaline batteries.
____I want lithium batteries.
____I want a rechargeable system. (an investment, but best for everyday use)
Then there are the flashlights that use more specialised battery types. Most commonly CR123 these days. Cr123 is a short stubby lithium 3.0v battery most commonly used in cameras etc.
Then there are the rechargable li-ion versions of batteries. Varied sizes available. Pretty much every ”normal” battery size is available in Li-ion version that are nominally 3.6v.
RCR123 is the li-ion rechargeable version of the cr123, it is a bit higher voltage 3.6v. Most flashlights that use 1 cr123 can also use rcr123. Rcr123 is also called sometimes 16340.
14500 is the li-ion version of normal 1.5v AA. They are the same size but because the difference in voltage its dangerous to use these in flashlight that is designed only for normal batteries. Several high end flashlights Do allow use of 14500.
And then is the current top performer 18650. Used mostly in bigger and power hungry high output flashlights. Several lights that work with two cr123 batteries also work with 18650 becasue they are close the same physical size.
Names of these batteries come from their size. 18650 is 18mm thick, 65mm long and 0=cylindrical.
These Li-ion batteries need more learning and care in their maintenance and use, than NiMh versions. Search and read up up on them before committing to use them. Also the li-ion batteries need their own charger. (nimh charger do not work with them,. Do not try it)
___yes i am ready to use a Li-ion battery flashlight aswell.
other options:
_____I want a flashlight that can use more than one battery type. (2*cr123 or 1*18650)
_____optional change of body of the light to be able to use same head in either 1AA or 2AA form.
_____option of using a 3.6v li-ion version of the ”normal” AA/AAA battery
______a built in battery pack and re charging by plug or cradle (rare option)
6)How much light do you want? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is impossible).
____I want really low output to preserve night vision (0.01-5 lumens)
____I want to read a map, or find a light switch, in a dark room. (5-10 lumens)
____I want to walk around a generally paved area. (15-30 lumens)
____I want to walk unpaved trails. (40 lumens)
____I want to do Caving or Search & Rescue operations. (60+lumens)
____I want to light an entire campground or dazzle an intruder. (100+ lumens)
____i want to light an object far away (distance beyond 100yards)
(most of the higher quality small/medium sized led flashlights these days are capable of output between 100-250lumens.. and the bigger floodlights are actually in 300-900lm range. But the throw is dictated alot by the size and shape of the reflector. So 200lm from small light will not match the actual throw of 200lm big light)
7) Throw vs Flood: Which do you prefer, lights that flood an area with a wide beam, or lights that "throw" with a tightly focused beam? Place an “X” on the line below.
Throw (distance)----------------------|----------------------Flood
7.1) What is the distance you will need it most?
___close up (0.10m-3.0m/ 4inches-10ft) -close by work light
___near by (2.0m-10.0meters 6ft-30ft) -walking light.
___medium distance (10-30 meters 10yards- 30yards) -dog walks/outdoor and back yard sweeper.
___medium to long distance but Flood a wide area?
___long throw but smaller beam spot.
Remember there is no perfect allrounder, only compromises. Pick the one(s) where you need it most. Right tool for right job.
Led lights
8)Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims (like some LED lights). but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries.
Which is more important, to you Runtime or Output which you are ready to sacrifice?
___output
___runtime
Which you look for in a flashlight
____Runtime on HIGH
____Runtime on LOW
____Best runtime available at certain output of ______ lumens?
Runtime on High:
____20 min. (I want the brightest light for brief periods)
____40-120 min. Under 2 hours. (Most flashlights today run on maximum in this time frame)
____240-360 min. (4-6 hours)
____360+ min. (More than 6 hours, most lights are cabable only in lower modes for this time)
9) Durability: Generally the old phrase “you get what you pay for” is very accurate for flashlights.
____Not Important more of an Convinience light (A “night-stand” And ”find the fuse box” light)
____Slightly Important (Walks around the neighborhood. Taking the trash out or walk the dog)
____Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box.)
____Critical (Police, Fire, Search & Rescue, Self-defense, Survival.)
____Apocalypse Now Emergency (Hurricane, Tsunami, -extremely long runtime is the key feature)
8) Switch Type:
____I don't care.
**so rare i would drop this totally**____I want a sliding switch. (Stays on until slid back.)
____Twist Switch (twist bezel or something similar to turn on/off)
____I want a "clickie” switch. (Stays on until pressed again.)
____I want a ”momentary only” switch. (Only stays on while held down.)
____Selector Ring or similar.
9) Switch Location:
____I don't care.
____I want a push or sliding switch on the body near the head. (these side clickys are rare)
____I want a push switch on the back end of the body. (most common)
____I want a rotating head switch. (twisty light)
____I want a rotating end-cap switch. (rarer twisty light)
**** this should be in the special needs/ add ons and options?
____I want a remote control.
Of Clicky switches:
__Foward clicky (press half way in and get momentary burst of light, for signaling etc)
__Reverse clicky (push in whole to click on. No momentary function)
On multimode lights changing the modes happens by half pressing/tapping the clicky button. -Foward clickys allow you to tap thu the modes and choose the right mode/output without actually clickin the light on.
-Reverse clicky demands you to click it on before choosing the constant output.
-And on twisty lights that have more than one output/mode they are generally chosen by quickly loosening and tightening the head/bezel to change between the modes.
10) Operational Modes: Check all that apply.
____A simple on-off is fine for me.
____I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
____I want multiple light levels. (some lights have up to 3-16 light levels or functions.)
____I want a flashlight thats mode sequence is programmable/customizable to my preference.
____I want Ramp Up sequence (starts on low-medium-high)
____I want Ramp Down sequence (starts always on High followed by med-low etc.)
____I want to be able to adjust the output anywhere between low and high.. infinite adjustment
____I am ok if i need to twist the head or something to access some of the modes.
____I want a locator blink or sos mode. (blinks to show location.)
____I want a tactical strobe. (Flashes rapidly to disorient an opponent. Do you really need it?)
Options:
Floodier and smoother beams are commonly Orange peel reflectors and throwers have Smooth reflector surfaces.
Any preference?
____OP
____SMO
Led Tints:
___dont care.
___white
___neutral white (creamy color with little more yellow..)
___warm white (nearest to incan color rendition index)
higher CRI lights like neutral and warm tints have a bit more ”natural” looking light output when outside in the woods.. they show greens and brown colors more like they appear in sunlight. Whiter tints have little higher output than the warmer tints do and do repeat white and blue shades more.
Warm and neutral tints are rare in led lights as they are the newest development. Only few manufacturers support them at the moment.
and ease of use:
Do you need short cuts to certain modes or outputs?
___yes
___no
Which:
___ Do you need FAST and easy access to High
___Do you need fast access to Low
___Do you need fast access to Strobe
11) Is it important whether the body is metal or plastic/composite?
____I don't care.
____I want a metal-bodied light.
____I want a plastic/composite light. (rare these days especially in new and high output models due heat issues)
12) Special Needs: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Circle any below or write in your own comment(s).
____Red (night vision preserving) filter
____Other filter colors (Amber, Green, Blue, _________)
____Other Diffusers or add on´s like:
____trafic wand (normally red plastic attachment)
____candle/lantern/flood cap what___________
____Waterproof – how deep: _____________
____Water resistant (drops into puddle, use in rain)
____Non-reflective/dark finish (stealthy/hard to find)
____Polished silver or brightly colored finish (for easy locating)
____Corrosion resistant or hard-anodized finish
____“Hybrid” light (bright incandescent combined with long running LEDs)
**rare option in led age?**____Built-in second (or spare) lamp or filament
____Kobuton/self defense (crenulated bezel, ”teeths”)
____Non-sparking Intrinsically Safe (IS) for use in explosive environments
***moved*** ____Remote control (for gun mounting or camera use?)
How Are you going to carry it?
____Belt/Jacket Pocket clip
___bezel up
___bezel down
___reversible up or down
___dont care.
____Holster ( does it need to be molle or similar compatible?)
____Wrist/Neck Lanyard
____keychain (many AAA sized lights are small enough for this and still pack a punch)
Which is A MUST: pocket clip___ holster___ lanyard___ (most come with lanyard holes and holster. some still dont have a pocket clip, not even as a option)
Again Compromises are probably needed. Think what are most important to you and think what you can live without and compromise. Remember there is no free lunch. Quality follows price to a point. Bargains are possible, good deals plenty, but cant expect to get a rollsroyce by spending only for nissan.
Now that you have finished the long test. Why dont you go back up and re-check the answers if your thoughts have changed now that you have gone thru this thing. It happened to me on my 1st time too.
***wheehh.. im done. your turn***
should of checked it before writing the above post.. or actually going thru the motions of finding things i changed!
ok here it is as whole:
Short essee first What will you be using this flashlight for?
0) What Region/Country/State will the light be purchased in?
____I will be mail-ordering or buying online, so this doesn't matter.
Or
____I do want to try and test it before buying what are my options if I am from:
I am in North America. More precisely I am in _______________.
I am from __________________
1) How much you want to pay for it, Price Range: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest!
____I only want to pay $1-15.
____I can spend $20-35.
____I could spend $40-75. (most decent quality lights start here)
____I am willing to spend $80-$120.
____I have budget of 200$
____I have no limit!
____I look for the best bang for my buck per my needs, you suggest me the options?
1.1 How much CAN you pay for it? -see the difference?
Can you wait longer and save up more money for it if neccessary?
___no i need it urgently
___yes i can wait for newer model or better model i have afford now.
How long can you wait for getting it?
___now! (picking it up from store near by if possible)
___few days (postal delivery in same country i am in now)
___few weeks (overseas delivery)
___dont care/months (out of stock or custom made or certain unrelieble vendors that sell cheap but sometimes shipping takes forever)
2)Format:
___i want a Led flashlight. (this qustionaire is more aimed to led lights)
___i want a Incan flashlight
___i want a HID
___i want a speacialized light UV or IR etc.. what: __________
____I want a flashlight.
____I want a headlamp.
____I want a lantern.
____I want a portable spotlight.
3) Length:
.
____1-2 inches. (Keychain sized) -buttoncells and other special small batteries.
____2-4 inches. (Pocket carry) -most 1cell lights (aa/cr123)
____4-9 inches. (Holster carry) -most 2-3 cell lights
____I don’t care.
4) Width:
____I don’t care.
____I prefer a narrow/thin light.
____I prefer a thicker light.
Will you need to use the flashlight with gloves or such?
___yes ___no
I have found that some flashlights can be just too small to use conviniently. (big hands and clumsy)
my sweet spot begins at about 80mm for the small light.. but i prefer to use the 100-120mm long ones, if i need it more than few minutes at a time. (80mm tend to start hide inside my palm when i grip it.) 120Mm is the limit i car to carry in my trouser pockets comfortably anything beyond that needs a holster or similar.
Size is dependant of also how many batteries do you want it to use?
___ One (short pocket carry)
___Two (medium pocket/holster)
___Three or more (big lights high output and mostly for extended runtime)
5)What kind of batteries do you want to use?
In common AAA, AA, C and D formats these are your options:
Alkaline batteries are easier to find in the world and less expensive but don't pack as much stored energy and are don't work well in cold temperatures.
Lithium batteries have long shelf life (10+ years, great for stored emergency lights) and are not as affected by cold but must be kept dry and are more expensive.
Rechargeable batteries like NiMh are at start a bit more expensive, plus added cost of charger but if used frequently they pay off quickly. And some modern rechargable NiMh batteries actually can be stored for several months because of their LowSelfDischarge qualities. They will hold most of their charge for several months.
Most flashlights that use Alkaline can also use Lithium version and rechargable NiMh batteries too.
____I want common Alkaline batteries.
____I want lithium batteries.
____I want a rechargeable system. (an investment, but best for everyday use)
Then there are the flashlights that use more specialised battery types. Most commonly CR123 these days. Cr123 is a short stubby lithium 3.0v battery most commonly used in cameras etc.
Then there are the rechargable li-ion versions of batteries. Varied sizes available. Pretty much every ”normal” battery size is available in Li-ion version that are nominally 3.6v.
RCR123 is the li-ion rechargeable version of the cr123, it is a bit higher voltage 3.6v. Most flashlights that use 1 cr123 can also use rcr123. Rcr123 is also called sometimes 16340.
14500 is the li-ion version of normal 1.5v AA. They are the same size but because the difference in voltage its dangerous to use these in flashlight that is designed only for normal batteries. Several high end flashlights Do allow use of 14500.
And then is the current top performer 18650. Used mostly in bigger and power hungry high output flashlights. Several lights that work with two cr123 batteries also work with 18650 becasue they are close the same physical size.
Names of these batteries come from their size. 18650 is 18mm thick, 65mm long and 0=cylindrical.
These Li-ion batteries need more learning and care in their maintenance and use, than NiMh versions. Search and read up up on them before committing to use them. Also the li-ion batteries need their own charger. (nimh charger do not work with them,. Do not try it)
___yes i am ready to use a Li-ion battery flashlight aswell.
other options:
_____I want a flashlight that can use more than one battery type. (2*cr123 or 1*18650)
_____optional change of body of the light to be able to use same head in either 1AA or 2AA form.
_____option of using a 3.6v li-ion version of the ”normal” AA/AAA battery
______a built in battery pack and re charging by plug or cradle (rare option)
6)How much light do you want? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is impossible).
____I want really low output to preserve night vision (0.01-5 lumens)
____I want to read a map, or find a light switch, in a dark room. (5-10 lumens)
____I want to walk around a generally paved area. (15-30 lumens)
____I want to walk unpaved trails. (40 lumens)
____I want to do Caving or Search & Rescue operations. (60+lumens)
____I want to light an entire campground or dazzle an intruder. (100+ lumens)
____i want to light an object far away (distance beyond 100yards)
(most of the higher quality small/medium sized led flashlights these days are capable of output between 100-250lumens.. and the bigger floodlights are actually in 300-900lm range. But the throw is dictated alot by the size and shape of the reflector. So 200lm from small light will not match the actual throw of 200lm big light)
7) Throw vs Flood: Which do you prefer, lights that flood an area with a wide beam, or lights that "throw" with a tightly focused beam? Place an “X” on the line below.
Throw (distance)----------------------|----------------------Flood
7.1) What is the distance you will need it most?
___close up (0.10m-3.0m/ 4inches-10ft) -close by work light
___near by (2.0m-10.0meters 6ft-30ft) -walking light.
___medium distance (10-30 meters 10yards- 30yards) -dog walks/outdoor and back yard sweeper.
___medium to long distance but Flood a wide area?
___long throw but smaller beam spot.
Remember there is no perfect allrounder, only compromises. Pick the one(s) where you need it most. Right tool for right job.
Led lights
8)Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims (like some LED lights). but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries.
Which is more important, to you Runtime or Output which you are ready to sacrifice?
___output
___runtime
Which you look for in a flashlight
____Runtime on HIGH
____Runtime on LOW
____Best runtime available at certain output of ______ lumens?
Runtime on High:
____20 min. (I want the brightest light for brief periods)
____40-120 min. Under 2 hours. (Most flashlights today run on maximum in this time frame)
____240-360 min. (4-6 hours)
____360+ min. (More than 6 hours, most lights are cabable only in lower modes for this time)
9) Durability: Generally the old phrase “you get what you pay for” is very accurate for flashlights.
____Not Important more of an Convinience light (A “night-stand” And ”find the fuse box” light)
____Slightly Important (Walks around the neighborhood. Taking the trash out or walk the dog)
____Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box.)
____Critical (Police, Fire, Search & Rescue, Self-defense, Survival.)
____Apocalypse Now Emergency (Hurricane, Tsunami, -extremely long runtime is the key feature)
8) Switch Type:
____I don't care.
**so rare i would drop this totally**____I want a sliding switch. (Stays on until slid back.)
____Twist Switch (twist bezel or something similar to turn on/off)
____I want a "clickie” switch. (Stays on until pressed again.)
____I want a ”momentary only” switch. (Only stays on while held down.)
____Selector Ring or similar.
9) Switch Location:
____I don't care.
____I want a push or sliding switch on the body near the head. (these side clickys are rare)
____I want a push switch on the back end of the body. (most common)
____I want a rotating head switch. (twisty light)
____I want a rotating end-cap switch. (rarer twisty light)
**** this should be in the special needs/ add ons and options?
____I want a remote control.
Of Clicky switches:
__Foward clicky (press half way in and get momentary burst of light, for signaling etc)
__Reverse clicky (push in whole to click on. No momentary function)
On multimode lights changing the modes happens by half pressing/tapping the clicky button. -Foward clickys allow you to tap thu the modes and choose the right mode/output without actually clickin the light on.
-Reverse clicky demands you to click it on before choosing the constant output.
-And on twisty lights that have more than one output/mode they are generally chosen by quickly loosening and tightening the head/bezel to change between the modes.
10) Operational Modes: Check all that apply.
____A simple on-off is fine for me.
____I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
____I want multiple light levels. (some lights have up to 3-16 light levels or functions.)
____I want a flashlight thats mode sequence is programmable/customizable to my preference.
____I want Ramp Up sequence (starts on low-medium-high)
____I want Ramp Down sequence (starts always on High followed by med-low etc.)
____I want to be able to adjust the output anywhere between low and high.. infinite adjustment
____I am ok if i need to twist the head or something to access some of the modes.
____I want a locator blink or sos mode. (blinks to show location.)
____I want a tactical strobe. (Flashes rapidly to disorient an opponent. Do you really need it?)
Options:
Floodier and smoother beams are commonly Orange peel reflectors and throwers have Smooth reflector surfaces.
Any preference?
____OP
____SMO
Led Tints:
___dont care.
___white
___neutral white (creamy color with little more yellow..)
___warm white (nearest to incan color rendition index)
higher CRI lights like neutral and warm tints have a bit more ”natural” looking light output when outside in the woods.. they show greens and brown colors more like they appear in sunlight. Whiter tints have little higher output than the warmer tints do and do repeat white and blue shades more.
Warm and neutral tints are rare in led lights as they are the newest development. Only few manufacturers support them at the moment.
and ease of use:
Do you need short cuts to certain modes or outputs?
___yes
___no
Which:
___ Do you need FAST and easy access to High
___Do you need fast access to Low
___Do you need fast access to Strobe
11) Is it important whether the body is metal or plastic/composite?
____I don't care.
____I want a metal-bodied light.
____I want a plastic/composite light. (rare these days especially in new and high output models due heat issues)
12) Special Needs: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Circle any below or write in your own comment(s).
____Red (night vision preserving) filter
____Other filter colors (Amber, Green, Blue, _________)
____Other Diffusers or add on´s like:
____trafic wand (normally red plastic attachment)
____candle/lantern/flood cap what___________
____Waterproof – how deep: _____________
____Water resistant (drops into puddle, use in rain)
____Non-reflective/dark finish (stealthy/hard to find)
____Polished silver or brightly colored finish (for easy locating)
____Corrosion resistant or hard-anodized finish
____“Hybrid” light (bright incandescent combined with long running LEDs)
**rare option in led age?**____Built-in second (or spare) lamp or filament
____Kobuton/self defense (crenulated bezel, ”teeths”)
____Non-sparking Intrinsically Safe (IS) for use in explosive environments
***moved*** ____Remote control (for gun mounting or camera use?)
How Are you going to carry it?
____Belt/Jacket Pocket clip
___bezel up
___bezel down
___reversible up or down
___dont care.
____Holster ( does it need to be molle or similar compatible?)
____Wrist/Neck Lanyard
____keychain (many AAA sized lights are small enough for this and still pack a punch)
Which is A MUST: pocket clip___ holster___ lanyard___ (most come with lanyard holes and holster. some still dont have a pocket clip, not even as a option)
Again Compromises are probably needed. Think what are most important to you and think what you can live without and compromise. Remember there is no free lunch. Quality follows price to a point. Bargains are possible, good deals plenty, but cant expect to get a rollsroyce by spending only for nissan.
Now that you have finished the long test. Why dont you go back up and re-check the answers if your thoughts have changed now that you have gone thru this thing. It happened to me on my 1st time too.
***wheehh.. im done. your turn***
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VARifleman
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Recommend a Flashlight Checklist:
(Don't worry about all the questions, just the ones you feel strongly about!)
Short Essay Question: What do you intend to use this light for?
Self defense, rifle mount possible.
0) What Region/Country/State will the light be purchased in?
_x_I will be mail-ordering or buying online, so this doesn't matter.
_x_I am in North America. More precisely I am in _Virginia__.
____I am in South America. More precisely I am in _______________.
____I am in Europe. More precisely I am in _______________.
____I am in the Middle East. More precisely I am in _______________.
____I am in Africa. More precisely I am in _______________.
____I am in Asia, Japan or Micronesia. More precisely I am in _______________.
____I am in Australia. More precisely I am in _______________.
1) Price Range: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :-)
300 max, but no more than 80 dollars at each step
2) Format:
_X__I want a flashlight.
____I want a headlamp.
____I want a lantern.
____I want a portable spotlight.
3) Length:
_X_I don’t care.
____1-2 inches. (Keychain sized)
____2-4 inches. (Pocket carry)
____4-9 inches. (Holster carry)
4) Width:
____I don’t care.
_X_I prefer a long narrow light.
____I prefer a short wide light.
5) What batteries do you want to use? Alkaline batteries are easier to find and less expensive but don't pack as much stored energy and are don't work well in cold temperatures. Lithium batteries have long shelf life (10+ years, great for stored emergency lights) and are not as affected by cold but must be kept dry and are more expensive. Rechargeable start expensive, but if used frequently pay off quickly.
____I want common Alkaline batteries. (AA, AAA, C, D)
_X_I want lithium batteries. (coin cells, CR123, AAA, AA...)
_X_I want a rechargeable system. (an investment, but best for everyday use)
6) How much light do you want? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is impossible).
____I want to read a map, or find a light switch, in a dark room. (5-10 lumens)
____I want to walk around a generally paved area. (15-20 lumens)
____I want to walk unpaved trails. (40 lumens)
____I want to do Caving or Search & Rescue operations. (60+ lumens)
_X_I want to light an entire campground or dazzle an intruder. (100+ lumens)
7) Throw vs Flood: Which do you prefer, lights that flood an area with a wide beam, or lights that "throw" with a tightly focused beam? Place an “X” on the line below.
Throw (distance)------X---------------|----------------------Flood/close-up
8) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims (like some LED lights). but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries.
_X_20 min. (I want the brightest light for brief periods)
____60-240 min. (1-2 hours)
____240-360 min. (4-6 hours)
____360+ min. (More than 6 hours)
9) Durability: Generally the old phrase “you get what you pay for” is very accurate for flashlights.
____Not Important (A “night-stand” light.)
____Slightly Important (Walks around the neighborhood.)
____Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box.)
_X_Critical (Police, Fire, Search & Rescue, Self-defense, Survival.)
8) Switch Type:
I like my surefire twist switches.
9) Switch Location:
____I don't care.
_X__I want a push or sliding switch on the body near the head if the light is longer than 9P length.
_X_I want a push switch on the back end of the body if the light is 9P length or shorter.
____I want a rotating head switch.
____I want a rotating end-cap switch.
____I want a remote control.
10) Operational Modes: Check all that apply.
_X_A simple on-off is fine for me.
____I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
____I want multiple light levels. (some lights have 5-16 light levels.)
____I want a strobe mode. (blinks to show location.)
____I want a tactical strobe. (Flashes rapidly to disorient an opponent.)
11) Is it important whether the body is metal or plastic/composite?
____I don't care.
_X_I want a metal-bodied light.
____I want a plastic/composite light.
12) Special Needs: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Circle any below or write in your own comment(s).
____Red (night vision preserving) filter
____Other filter colors (Amber, Green, Blue, _________)
_X__Waterproof – how deep: ____>15'_________
_X__Non-reflective/dark finish (stealthy/hard to find)
____Polished silver or brightly colored finish (for easy locating)
_X__Corrosion resistant or hard-anodized finish
____“Hybrid” light (bright incandescent combined with long running LEDs)
____Built-in second (or spare) lamp or filament
____Belt/Jacket clip
____Holster
____Wrist/Neck Lanyard
_X__Kobuton/self defense features
____Non-sparking Intrinsically Safe (IS) for use in explosive environments
(Don't worry about all the questions, just the ones you feel strongly about!)
Short Essay Question: What do you intend to use this light for?
Self defense, rifle mount possible.
0) What Region/Country/State will the light be purchased in?
_x_I will be mail-ordering or buying online, so this doesn't matter.
_x_I am in North America. More precisely I am in _Virginia__.
____I am in South America. More precisely I am in _______________.
____I am in Europe. More precisely I am in _______________.
____I am in the Middle East. More precisely I am in _______________.
____I am in Africa. More precisely I am in _______________.
____I am in Asia, Japan or Micronesia. More precisely I am in _______________.
____I am in Australia. More precisely I am in _______________.
1) Price Range: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :-)
300 max, but no more than 80 dollars at each step
2) Format:
_X__I want a flashlight.
____I want a headlamp.
____I want a lantern.
____I want a portable spotlight.
3) Length:
_X_I don’t care.
____1-2 inches. (Keychain sized)
____2-4 inches. (Pocket carry)
____4-9 inches. (Holster carry)
4) Width:
____I don’t care.
_X_I prefer a long narrow light.
____I prefer a short wide light.
5) What batteries do you want to use? Alkaline batteries are easier to find and less expensive but don't pack as much stored energy and are don't work well in cold temperatures. Lithium batteries have long shelf life (10+ years, great for stored emergency lights) and are not as affected by cold but must be kept dry and are more expensive. Rechargeable start expensive, but if used frequently pay off quickly.
____I want common Alkaline batteries. (AA, AAA, C, D)
_X_I want lithium batteries. (coin cells, CR123, AAA, AA...)
_X_I want a rechargeable system. (an investment, but best for everyday use)
6) How much light do you want? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is impossible).
____I want to read a map, or find a light switch, in a dark room. (5-10 lumens)
____I want to walk around a generally paved area. (15-20 lumens)
____I want to walk unpaved trails. (40 lumens)
____I want to do Caving or Search & Rescue operations. (60+ lumens)
_X_I want to light an entire campground or dazzle an intruder. (100+ lumens)
7) Throw vs Flood: Which do you prefer, lights that flood an area with a wide beam, or lights that "throw" with a tightly focused beam? Place an “X” on the line below.
Throw (distance)------X---------------|----------------------Flood/close-up
8) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims (like some LED lights). but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries.
_X_20 min. (I want the brightest light for brief periods)
____60-240 min. (1-2 hours)
____240-360 min. (4-6 hours)
____360+ min. (More than 6 hours)
9) Durability: Generally the old phrase “you get what you pay for” is very accurate for flashlights.
____Not Important (A “night-stand” light.)
____Slightly Important (Walks around the neighborhood.)
____Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box.)
_X_Critical (Police, Fire, Search & Rescue, Self-defense, Survival.)
8) Switch Type:
I like my surefire twist switches.
9) Switch Location:
____I don't care.
_X__I want a push or sliding switch on the body near the head if the light is longer than 9P length.
_X_I want a push switch on the back end of the body if the light is 9P length or shorter.
____I want a rotating head switch.
____I want a rotating end-cap switch.
____I want a remote control.
10) Operational Modes: Check all that apply.
_X_A simple on-off is fine for me.
____I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
____I want multiple light levels. (some lights have 5-16 light levels.)
____I want a strobe mode. (blinks to show location.)
____I want a tactical strobe. (Flashes rapidly to disorient an opponent.)
11) Is it important whether the body is metal or plastic/composite?
____I don't care.
_X_I want a metal-bodied light.
____I want a plastic/composite light.
12) Special Needs: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Circle any below or write in your own comment(s).
____Red (night vision preserving) filter
____Other filter colors (Amber, Green, Blue, _________)
_X__Waterproof – how deep: ____>15'_________
_X__Non-reflective/dark finish (stealthy/hard to find)
____Polished silver or brightly colored finish (for easy locating)
_X__Corrosion resistant or hard-anodized finish
____“Hybrid” light (bright incandescent combined with long running LEDs)
____Built-in second (or spare) lamp or filament
____Belt/Jacket clip
____Holster
____Wrist/Neck Lanyard
_X__Kobuton/self defense features
____Non-sparking Intrinsically Safe (IS) for use in explosive environments
ANDREAS FERRARI
Flashlight Enthusiast
How about 10 questions or less to make it more practical.With sub-sections of course.
Dr Jekell
Enlightened
Some Changes:
0) What Region/Country/State will the light be purchased in?
I am in Australia. More precisely I am in queensland.
1) Price Range: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :-)
I am willing to spend $0-250.
2) Format:
I want a flashlight.
OR
I want a portable spotlight.
3) Length:
I don’t care.
4) Width:
I don’t care.
5) What batteries do you want to use? Alkaline batteries are easier to find and less expensive but don't pack as much stored energy and are don't work well in cold temperatures. Lithium batteries have long shelf life (10+ years, great for stored emergency lights) and are not as affected by cold but must be kept dry and are more expensive. Rechargeable start expensive, but if used frequently pay off quickly.
Any
6) How much light do you want? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is impossible).
____I want to light an entire campground or dazzle an intruder. (100+ lumens)
7) Throw vs Flood: Which do you prefer, lights that flood an area with a wide beam, or lights that "throw" with a tightly focused beam? Place an “X” on the line below.
Throw (distance)------------x----------|----------------------Flood/close-up
Or focusable.
8) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims (like some LED lights). but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries.
60+ minutes
9) Durability: Generally the old phrase “you get what you pay for” is very accurate for flashlights.
Average quality/ fenix quality
8) Switch Type:
I want a sliding switch. (Stays on until slid back.)
OR
I want a "clickie” switch. (Stays on until pressed again.)
9) Switch Location:
I don't care.
10) Operational Modes: Check all that apply.
A simple on-off is fine for me.
OR
I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
11) Is it important whether the body is metal or plastic/composite?
I want a metal-bodied light.
Any idea's??
I am in Australia. More precisely I am in queensland.
1) Price Range: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :-)
I am willing to spend $0-250.
2) Format:
I want a flashlight.
OR
I want a portable spotlight.
3) Length:
I don’t care.
4) Width:
I don’t care.
5) What batteries do you want to use? Alkaline batteries are easier to find and less expensive but don't pack as much stored energy and are don't work well in cold temperatures. Lithium batteries have long shelf life (10+ years, great for stored emergency lights) and are not as affected by cold but must be kept dry and are more expensive. Rechargeable start expensive, but if used frequently pay off quickly.
Any
6) How much light do you want? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is impossible).
____I want to light an entire campground or dazzle an intruder. (100+ lumens)
7) Throw vs Flood: Which do you prefer, lights that flood an area with a wide beam, or lights that "throw" with a tightly focused beam? Place an “X” on the line below.
Throw (distance)------------x----------|----------------------Flood/close-up
Or focusable.
8) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims (like some LED lights). but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries.
60+ minutes
9) Durability: Generally the old phrase “you get what you pay for” is very accurate for flashlights.
Average quality/ fenix quality
8) Switch Type:
I want a sliding switch. (Stays on until slid back.)
OR
I want a "clickie” switch. (Stays on until pressed again.)
9) Switch Location:
I don't care.
10) Operational Modes: Check all that apply.
A simple on-off is fine for me.
OR
I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
11) Is it important whether the body is metal or plastic/composite?
I want a metal-bodied light.
Any idea's??
TorchBoy
Flashlight Enthusiast
Re: Flashlight Recommendation Checklist
Nice suggestions Juggernaut.
I know New Zealand doesn't exist on most maps in the USA, and I see that Dr J has already mentioned NZ, but how about adding "NZ or Pacific Islands" or even "Oceania"?
Nice suggestions Juggernaut.
I know New Zealand doesn't exist on most maps in the USA, and I see that Dr J has already mentioned NZ, but how about adding "NZ or Pacific Islands" or even "Oceania"?
InfiniteReality
Newly Enlightened
Short Essay Question: What do you intend to use this light for?
Basically plan on using this as a tactical light for my shotgun. This is SOLELY for fun, so I'm not too picky for most things other than it needs to be close to 1" diameter and maybe 2"-4" in length with a nice throw to it. I'm leaning towards: TERRALUX CREE TLF-3C2AAEX, but can't find any dimensions on it. THANKS FOR ANY HELP OR INFO!!!
0) What Region/Country/State will the light be purchased in?
____I will be mail-ordering or buying online, so this doesn't matter.
1) Price Range: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :-)
____I can spend $15-30.
2) Format:
____I want a LED flashlight.
3) Length:
____2-4 inches. (Pocket carry)
4) Width:
Close to 1" as possible
5) What batteries do you want to use? Alkaline batteries are easier to find and less expensive but don't pack as much stored energy and are don't work well in cold temperatures. Lithium batteries have long shelf life (10+ years, great for stored emergency lights) and are not as affected by cold but must be kept dry and are more expensive. Rechargeable start expensive, but if used frequently pay off quickly.
____I want common Alkaline batteries. (AA, AAA, C, D)
6) How much light do you want? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is impossible).
____I want to light an entire campground or dazzle an intruder. (100+ lumens)
7) Throw vs Flood: Which do you prefer, lights that flood an area with a wide beam, or lights that "throw" with a tightly focused beam? Place an “X” on the line below.
Throw (distance)-X---------------------|----------------------Flood/close-up
8) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims (like some LED lights). but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries.
____60-240 min. (1-2 hours)
10) Operational Modes: Check all that apply.
____A simple on-off is fine for me.
11) Is it important whether the body is metal or plastic/composite?
____I don't care.
Basically plan on using this as a tactical light for my shotgun. This is SOLELY for fun, so I'm not too picky for most things other than it needs to be close to 1" diameter and maybe 2"-4" in length with a nice throw to it. I'm leaning towards: TERRALUX CREE TLF-3C2AAEX, but can't find any dimensions on it. THANKS FOR ANY HELP OR INFO!!!
0) What Region/Country/State will the light be purchased in?
____I will be mail-ordering or buying online, so this doesn't matter.
1) Price Range: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :-)
____I can spend $15-30.
2) Format:
____I want a LED flashlight.
3) Length:
____2-4 inches. (Pocket carry)
4) Width:
Close to 1" as possible
5) What batteries do you want to use? Alkaline batteries are easier to find and less expensive but don't pack as much stored energy and are don't work well in cold temperatures. Lithium batteries have long shelf life (10+ years, great for stored emergency lights) and are not as affected by cold but must be kept dry and are more expensive. Rechargeable start expensive, but if used frequently pay off quickly.
____I want common Alkaline batteries. (AA, AAA, C, D)
6) How much light do you want? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is impossible).
____I want to light an entire campground or dazzle an intruder. (100+ lumens)
7) Throw vs Flood: Which do you prefer, lights that flood an area with a wide beam, or lights that "throw" with a tightly focused beam? Place an “X” on the line below.
Throw (distance)-X---------------------|----------------------Flood/close-up
8) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims (like some LED lights). but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries.
____60-240 min. (1-2 hours)
10) Operational Modes: Check all that apply.
____A simple on-off is fine for me.
11) Is it important whether the body is metal or plastic/composite?
____I don't care.
RobertM
Flashlight Enthusiast
I believe you're suppose to post your answers in a new thread, not in this one. ;) This thread is for the creation and further development of the checklist.
axd
Newly Enlightened
How about 10 questions or less to make it more practical.With sub-sections of course.
I really think this should go in a wiki page. Threads like these just clutter the forums (with all respect for the job ongoing); a wiki page just gets updated and any visitor can immediately use it.
Short Essay Question: What do you intend to use this light for?
Honestly, I had "scum deterrent" in mind. Since many of the "uncivilized" in Hawaii are small-time pickpockets(in once instance one had tackled me off my bike but immediately backed off when I get up real quick), homeless, or potential drug addicts(mostly meth I believe). I'm fairly confident that most of these "minor" criminals can be easily deterred with a ridiculously bright light.
Since I already have more lethal options available, I was hoping for a less than lethal option. Mace seemed a tad extreme and might bring up charges due to the extreme pain it will cause, while a 150mW laser in the eye would definitely cause permanent damage.
On the other hand, we typically have 1-2 power blackouts a year over here, so this would definitely come in handy.
0) What Region/Country/State will the light be purchased in?
____I am in North America. More precisely I am in Hawaii.
1) Price Range: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :-)
Perhaps between $100-$150, though if I could get the lower price without sacrificing too much quality, I'd go for it. I'm hoping for at least 5 years of use without having to deal with lowered light output, flickering light, or sticky buttons, etc.
2) Format:
I want a portable spotlight. I want enough power to blind or disorient, but not enough to cause permanent damage. I assume a tighter beam and good throw is critical.
3) Length:
____4.5-6.5 inches. (Pocket carry)
4) Width:
__I prefer a long narrow light.
5)
____I want lithium batteries. (coin cells, CR123, AAA, AA...)
____I want a rechargeable system. (an investment, but best for everyday use)
Naturally this would point towards Lithium ion, probably 123s for availability.
6) How much light do you want? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is impossible).
____I want to light an entire campground or dazzle an intruder. (100+ lumens)
My Streamlight TL-2 is rated at 120 lumens and it can barely make me look away, even in the dark from 3 feet away. I'm thinking 200 lumens minimum.
7) Throw vs Flood: Which do you prefer, lights that flood an area with a wide beam, or lights that "throw" with a tightly focused beam? Place an “X” on the line below.
Throw (distance)X---------------------|----------------------Flood/close-up
If we're talking about blinding, I'm thinking more light focused in a small area = good. Besides which, I've always had a thing for long-distance. If the light output is high enough, I'm also assuming that the mere reflection off surfaces will illuminate other objects.
8) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims (like some LED lights). but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries.
____60-240 min. (1-2 hours)
9) Durability: Generally the old phrase “you get what you pay for” is very accurate for flashlights.
____Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box.)
I'm not going to whack anyone over the head with it, but I certainly don't want it broken because it fell out of my hand.
8) Switch Type:
____I want a "clickie” switch. (Stays on until pressed again.)
9) Switch Location:
____I want a push or sliding switch on the body near the head.
____I want a push switch on the back end of the body.
10) Operational Modes: Check all that apply.
____I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
____I want a tactical strobe. (Flashes rapidly to disorient an opponent.)
11) Is it important whether the body is metal or plastic/composite?
____I want a metal-bodied light.
12) Special Needs: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Circle any below or write in your own comment(s).
____Non-reflective/dark finish (stealthy/hard to find)
____Corrosion resistant or hard-anodized finish
____Belt/Jacket clip
LED light.
Honestly, I had "scum deterrent" in mind. Since many of the "uncivilized" in Hawaii are small-time pickpockets(in once instance one had tackled me off my bike but immediately backed off when I get up real quick), homeless, or potential drug addicts(mostly meth I believe). I'm fairly confident that most of these "minor" criminals can be easily deterred with a ridiculously bright light.
Since I already have more lethal options available, I was hoping for a less than lethal option. Mace seemed a tad extreme and might bring up charges due to the extreme pain it will cause, while a 150mW laser in the eye would definitely cause permanent damage.
On the other hand, we typically have 1-2 power blackouts a year over here, so this would definitely come in handy.
0) What Region/Country/State will the light be purchased in?
____I am in North America. More precisely I am in Hawaii.
1) Price Range: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :-)
Perhaps between $100-$150, though if I could get the lower price without sacrificing too much quality, I'd go for it. I'm hoping for at least 5 years of use without having to deal with lowered light output, flickering light, or sticky buttons, etc.
2) Format:
I want a portable spotlight. I want enough power to blind or disorient, but not enough to cause permanent damage. I assume a tighter beam and good throw is critical.
3) Length:
____4.5-6.5 inches. (Pocket carry)
4) Width:
__I prefer a long narrow light.
5)
____I want lithium batteries. (coin cells, CR123, AAA, AA...)
____I want a rechargeable system. (an investment, but best for everyday use)
Naturally this would point towards Lithium ion, probably 123s for availability.
6) How much light do you want? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is impossible).
____I want to light an entire campground or dazzle an intruder. (100+ lumens)
My Streamlight TL-2 is rated at 120 lumens and it can barely make me look away, even in the dark from 3 feet away. I'm thinking 200 lumens minimum.
7) Throw vs Flood: Which do you prefer, lights that flood an area with a wide beam, or lights that "throw" with a tightly focused beam? Place an “X” on the line below.
Throw (distance)X---------------------|----------------------Flood/close-up
If we're talking about blinding, I'm thinking more light focused in a small area = good. Besides which, I've always had a thing for long-distance. If the light output is high enough, I'm also assuming that the mere reflection off surfaces will illuminate other objects.
8) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims (like some LED lights). but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries.
____60-240 min. (1-2 hours)
9) Durability: Generally the old phrase “you get what you pay for” is very accurate for flashlights.
____Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box.)
I'm not going to whack anyone over the head with it, but I certainly don't want it broken because it fell out of my hand.
8) Switch Type:
____I want a "clickie” switch. (Stays on until pressed again.)
9) Switch Location:
____I want a push or sliding switch on the body near the head.
____I want a push switch on the back end of the body.
10) Operational Modes: Check all that apply.
____I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
____I want a tactical strobe. (Flashes rapidly to disorient an opponent.)
11) Is it important whether the body is metal or plastic/composite?
____I want a metal-bodied light.
12) Special Needs: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Circle any below or write in your own comment(s).
____Non-reflective/dark finish (stealthy/hard to find)
____Corrosion resistant or hard-anodized finish
____Belt/Jacket clip
LED light.
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Recommend a Flashlight Checklist:
(Don't worry about all the questions, just the ones you feel strongly about!)
Short Essay Question: What do you intend to use this light for?
Please help me decide on a pocket size EDC light this light will be carried in my pocket everyday, I think around 4" by 3/4"dia. would be a good size.
I will be using this light to look for something that falls on the floor of my truck or to do a quick walk around inspection of my trailer iin the dark, I have a Mag Charger for the big tasks I just need something to put in my pocket to have with me all the time.
Also I don't need a lot of bells and whistles, maybe just a momentary low and high or something like that I think AA or 123 would be a good battery and probably go to rechargabales someday.
I have looked at the Fenix L1T and LD10 please give any suggestions that may be helpful.
Thank you for the help Wally
0) What Region/Country/State will the light be purchased in?
__x__I will be mail-ordering or buying online, so this doesn't matter.
_x___I am in North America. More precisely I am in __Illinois____________.
____I am in South America. More precisely I am in _______________.
____I am in Europe. More precisely I am in _______________.
____I am in the Middle East. More precisely I am in _______________.
____I am in Africa. More precisely I am in _______________.
____I am in Asia, Japan or Micronesia. More precisely I am in _______________.
____I am in Australia. More precisely I am in _______________.
1) Price Range: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :-)
____I only want to pay $1-10.
____I can spend $15-30.
_x___I could spend $40-60.
____I am willing to spend $80-$120.
____I have no limit!
2) Format:
x____I want a flashlight.
____I want a headlamp.
____I want a lantern.
____I want a portable spotlight.
3) Length:
____I don’t care.
____1-2 inches. (Keychain sized)
__x__2-4 inches. (Pocket carry)
____4-9 inches. (Holster carry)
4) Width:
_x___I don’t care.
____I prefer a long narrow light.
____I prefer a short wide light.
5) What batteries do you want to use? Alkaline batteries are easier to find and less expensive but don't pack as much stored energy and are don't work well in cold temperatures. Lithium batteries have long shelf life (10+ years, great for stored emergency lights) and are not as affected by cold but must be kept dry and are more expensive. Rechargeable start expensive, but if used frequently pay off quickly.
_x___I want common Alkaline batteries. (AA, AAA, C, D)
_?___I want lithium batteries. (coin cells, CR123, AAA, AA...)
_?___I want a rechargeable system. (an investment, but best for everyday use)
6) How much light do you want? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is impossible).
_x___I want to read a map, or find a light switch, in a dark room. (5-10 lumens)
____I want to walk around a generally paved area. (15-20 lumens)
____I want to walk unpaved trails. (40 lumens)
_x__I want to do Caving or Search & Rescue operations. (60+ lumens)
____I want to light an entire campground or dazzle an intruder. (100+ lumens)
7) Throw vs Flood: Which do you prefer, lights that flood an area with a wide beam, or lights that "throw" with a tightly focused beam? Place an “X” on the line below.
Throw (distance)----------------------|----------------------Flood/close-up
8) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims (like some LED lights). but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries.
____20 min. (I want the brightest light for brief periods)
__x__60-240 min. (1-2 hours)
____240-360 min. (4-6 hours)
____360+ min. (More than 6 hours)
9) Durability: Generally the old phrase “you get what you pay for” is very accurate for flashlights.
____Not Important (A “night-stand” light.)
____Slightly Important (Walks around the neighborhood.)
_x___Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box.)
____Critical (Police, Fire, Search & Rescue, Self-defense, Survival.)
8) Switch Type:
____I don't care.
____I want a sliding switch. (Stays on until slid back.)
_x___I want a "clickie” switch. (Stays on until pressed again.)
_x___I want a momentary switch. (Only stays on while held down.)
9) Switch Location:
____I don't care.
____I want a push or sliding switch on the body near the head.
_x___I want a push switch on the back end of the body.
____I want a rotating head switch.
____I want a rotating end-cap switch.
____I want a remote control.
10) Operational Modes: Check all that apply.
____A simple on-off is fine for me.
_x___I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
____I want multiple light levels. (some lights have 5-16 light levels.)
____I want a strobe mode. (blinks to show location.)
____I want a tactical strobe. (Flashes rapidly to disorient an opponent.)
11) Is it important whether the body is metal or plastic/composite?
____I don't care.
_x___I want a metal-bodied light.
____I want a plastic/composite light.
12) Special Needs: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Circle any below or write in your own comment(s).
____Red (night vision preserving) filter
____Other filter colors (Amber, Green, Blue, _________)
____Waterproof – how deep: _____________
____Non-reflective/dark finish (stealthy/hard to find)
____Polished silver or brightly colored finish (for easy locating)
____Corrosion resistant or hard-anodized finish
____“Hybrid” light (bright incandescent combined with long running LEDs)
____Built-in second (or spare) lamp or filament
____Belt/Jacket clip
____Holster
____Wrist/Neck Lanyard
____Kobuton/self defense features
____Non-sparking Intrinsically Safe (IS) for use in explosive environments
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Recommend a Flashlight Checklist:
(Don't worry about all the questions, just the ones you feel strongly about!)
Short Essay Question: What do you intend to use this light for?
Please help me decide on a pocket size EDC light this light will be carried in my pocket everyday, I think around 4" by 3/4"dia. would be a good size.
I will be using this light to look for something that falls on the floor of my truck or to do a quick walk around inspection of my trailer iin the dark, I have a Mag Charger for the big tasks I just need something to put in my pocket to have with me all the time.
Also I don't need a lot of bells and whistles, maybe just a momentary low and high or something like that I think AA or 123 would be a good battery and probably go to rechargabales someday.
I have looked at the Fenix L1T and LD10 please give any suggestions that may be helpful.
Thank you for the help Wally
0) What Region/Country/State will the light be purchased in?
__x__I will be mail-ordering or buying online, so this doesn't matter.
_x___I am in North America. More precisely I am in __Illinois____________.
____I am in South America. More precisely I am in _______________.
____I am in Europe. More precisely I am in _______________.
____I am in the Middle East. More precisely I am in _______________.
____I am in Africa. More precisely I am in _______________.
____I am in Asia, Japan or Micronesia. More precisely I am in _______________.
____I am in Australia. More precisely I am in _______________.
1) Price Range: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :-)
____I only want to pay $1-10.
____I can spend $15-30.
_x___I could spend $40-60.
____I am willing to spend $80-$120.
____I have no limit!
2) Format:
x____I want a flashlight.
____I want a headlamp.
____I want a lantern.
____I want a portable spotlight.
3) Length:
____I don’t care.
____1-2 inches. (Keychain sized)
__x__2-4 inches. (Pocket carry)
____4-9 inches. (Holster carry)
4) Width:
_x___I don’t care.
____I prefer a long narrow light.
____I prefer a short wide light.
5) What batteries do you want to use? Alkaline batteries are easier to find and less expensive but don't pack as much stored energy and are don't work well in cold temperatures. Lithium batteries have long shelf life (10+ years, great for stored emergency lights) and are not as affected by cold but must be kept dry and are more expensive. Rechargeable start expensive, but if used frequently pay off quickly.
_x___I want common Alkaline batteries. (AA, AAA, C, D)
_?___I want lithium batteries. (coin cells, CR123, AAA, AA...)
_?___I want a rechargeable system. (an investment, but best for everyday use)
6) How much light do you want? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is impossible).
_x___I want to read a map, or find a light switch, in a dark room. (5-10 lumens)
____I want to walk around a generally paved area. (15-20 lumens)
____I want to walk unpaved trails. (40 lumens)
_x__I want to do Caving or Search & Rescue operations. (60+ lumens)
____I want to light an entire campground or dazzle an intruder. (100+ lumens)
7) Throw vs Flood: Which do you prefer, lights that flood an area with a wide beam, or lights that "throw" with a tightly focused beam? Place an “X” on the line below.
Throw (distance)----------------------|----------------------Flood/close-up
8) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims (like some LED lights). but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries.
____20 min. (I want the brightest light for brief periods)
__x__60-240 min. (1-2 hours)
____240-360 min. (4-6 hours)
____360+ min. (More than 6 hours)
9) Durability: Generally the old phrase “you get what you pay for” is very accurate for flashlights.
____Not Important (A “night-stand” light.)
____Slightly Important (Walks around the neighborhood.)
_x___Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box.)
____Critical (Police, Fire, Search & Rescue, Self-defense, Survival.)
8) Switch Type:
____I don't care.
____I want a sliding switch. (Stays on until slid back.)
_x___I want a "clickie” switch. (Stays on until pressed again.)
_x___I want a momentary switch. (Only stays on while held down.)
9) Switch Location:
____I don't care.
____I want a push or sliding switch on the body near the head.
_x___I want a push switch on the back end of the body.
____I want a rotating head switch.
____I want a rotating end-cap switch.
____I want a remote control.
10) Operational Modes: Check all that apply.
____A simple on-off is fine for me.
_x___I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
____I want multiple light levels. (some lights have 5-16 light levels.)
____I want a strobe mode. (blinks to show location.)
____I want a tactical strobe. (Flashes rapidly to disorient an opponent.)
11) Is it important whether the body is metal or plastic/composite?
____I don't care.
_x___I want a metal-bodied light.
____I want a plastic/composite light.
12) Special Needs: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Circle any below or write in your own comment(s).
____Red (night vision preserving) filter
____Other filter colors (Amber, Green, Blue, _________)
____Waterproof – how deep: _____________
____Non-reflective/dark finish (stealthy/hard to find)
____Polished silver or brightly colored finish (for easy locating)
____Corrosion resistant or hard-anodized finish
____“Hybrid” light (bright incandescent combined with long running LEDs)
____Built-in second (or spare) lamp or filament
____Belt/Jacket clip
____Holster
____Wrist/Neck Lanyard
____Kobuton/self defense features
____Non-sparking Intrinsically Safe (IS) for use in explosive environments
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0) Location: Canada (would prefer to order from Canada, but can order from the US)
1) Budget: Up to $250 or so. Not a hard budget, but should give a general range.
2) What I'm looking for: Flashlight
3) Length: Roughly 4-7 inches. I'd like it to fit in a pocket.
4) Width: This how big the light is? Kind of indifferent.
5) What type of batteries: Common batteries, AA, AAA, etc.
6) How bright: 250-1000 lumens. I want something that is insanely stupidly bright. Brighter is always better right? :)
7) Throw vs flood: Adjustable would be nice, but otherwise something that has a nice throw, but is still practical(ish)
8) Battery life: 1-2 hours would be on the low end.... 4-6 would be nicer, but obviously there's going to be some compromise.
9) Durability: Very Important to critical
10) Switch type: I like the clickie switches, but as long as it works I'm not all that picky.
11) Switch location: Don't care, as long as it's not stupid and it works.
12) Operational Modes: Indifferent. Simple on/off is fine, but wouldn't complain if I had more options.
13) Body style: Metal bodied light (believe they'll last longer)
14) Special Needs: None, really. I prefer black lights and that it's waterproof/water resistant. I don't plan on taking it swimming, but it would be nice to know it would work down there if needed lol.
First off I know little about flashlights. Last one I bought I spent $20-40 (can't remember) and it's good - very good. I was so impressed with it, I bought another and leave it in my vehicle. But like other toys I own, it would be nice if I had one really good light that you know will last a long time. Those typically cost a few bucks, which is fine. I'm just not sure what I should be looking for or even where I should be looking - I mean there's so many knock offs out there.
So I figured I'd come here where there's some very knowledgeable who (I'd hope) know what they're talking about.
1) Budget: Up to $250 or so. Not a hard budget, but should give a general range.
2) What I'm looking for: Flashlight
3) Length: Roughly 4-7 inches. I'd like it to fit in a pocket.
4) Width: This how big the light is? Kind of indifferent.
5) What type of batteries: Common batteries, AA, AAA, etc.
6) How bright: 250-1000 lumens. I want something that is insanely stupidly bright. Brighter is always better right? :)
7) Throw vs flood: Adjustable would be nice, but otherwise something that has a nice throw, but is still practical(ish)
8) Battery life: 1-2 hours would be on the low end.... 4-6 would be nicer, but obviously there's going to be some compromise.
9) Durability: Very Important to critical
10) Switch type: I like the clickie switches, but as long as it works I'm not all that picky.
11) Switch location: Don't care, as long as it's not stupid and it works.
12) Operational Modes: Indifferent. Simple on/off is fine, but wouldn't complain if I had more options.
13) Body style: Metal bodied light (believe they'll last longer)
14) Special Needs: None, really. I prefer black lights and that it's waterproof/water resistant. I don't plan on taking it swimming, but it would be nice to know it would work down there if needed lol.
First off I know little about flashlights. Last one I bought I spent $20-40 (can't remember) and it's good - very good. I was so impressed with it, I bought another and leave it in my vehicle. But like other toys I own, it would be nice if I had one really good light that you know will last a long time. Those typically cost a few bucks, which is fine. I'm just not sure what I should be looking for or even where I should be looking - I mean there's so many knock offs out there.
So I figured I'd come here where there's some very knowledgeable who (I'd hope) know what they're talking about.
