Hey guys I know there were some people saying that they werent allowing flashlights into sporting events but I wanted to check and see if I would be able to take my flashlights (and CCW) to the circus this saturday. If its any help it will be at the Richmond Coliseum. Just dont wanna go and have to turn around at the gate to take my lights and 45 back to the truck. Thanks!
Flashlights at the circus...
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DieselTech
Enlightened
Handgun laws vary from state to state, your best bet there would be to check the local laws. Some states prohibit carry at sporting or similar events where crowds gather.
I wouldn't advocate taking a flashlight, or anything else into a place that it's prohibited, but how would they know if you had one in your pocket? In my experience, places banning flashlights are thinking of the 2D and larger variants most folks are familiar with, which are easily used as clubs.
I wouldn't advocate taking a flashlight, or anything else into a place that it's prohibited, but how would they know if you had one in your pocket? In my experience, places banning flashlights are thinking of the 2D and larger variants most folks are familiar with, which are easily used as clubs.
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Saint_Dogbert
Enlightened
Last time I went to the circus, they were searching people for prohibited items. Usually this was just a cursory check of purses and stuff, but who knows what they might do? I was not aware of a ban on flashlights, but that was before I was a real flashaholic. Your best bet is to check the specific guidelines and laws regarding lights and weapons respectively. Even a particular venue may have it's own unique list of prohibited items.
Well heres the update... There were no metal detectors what-so-ever but there was a guy with a Coast LED light (sorry not too educated on distinguishing which type of Coast yet) at the front door checking purses and bags. Didnt notice any signs until on the way out I saw one on a door that was just a typed piece of paper that said "no laser pointers or flash lights allowed......" Apparently not only are people all for being anti prepared they also turned flashlight into two words:shakehead?
Ohh yea and to answer the CCW question for myself I later rememberd that they serve alcohol for consumption on peremisis(sp?) which (at least in Virginia) constitutes an automatic no-no for concealed carry
All in all it was pretty good. I hadnt been to the circus in a few years but this year it seemed the economy definately hit hard there as they had 1/4 of the coliseum blocked off with a huge curtain and the available seating wasnt even that full!
Ohh yea and to answer the CCW question for myself I later rememberd that they serve alcohol for consumption on peremisis(sp?) which (at least in Virginia) constitutes an automatic no-no for concealed carry
All in all it was pretty good. I hadnt been to the circus in a few years but this year it seemed the economy definately hit hard there as they had 1/4 of the coliseum blocked off with a huge curtain and the available seating wasnt even that full!
greenlight
Flashlight Enthusiast
Maybe they meant flash photography?
Usually they are searching bags to insure that you don't have alcohol or a gun.
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PhotonWrangler
Flashaholic
That's the same as the law in my state. Glad you enjoyed the circus.
unique
Enlightened
Not being rude? But what the?!?! They check you for guns before you get into a circus? How dangerous is America :|
Haha well sadly it can be kind of dangerous. One of the circus workers got abducted friday after the show but got away like a mile after they grabbed him. And since it is held in Richmond I cant blame them if theyre checking for guns.
gallonoffuel
Enlightened
Off-topic in terms of flashlights, but some things really push my buttons.
Since the serving of alcohol disqualified you from CCW on the premises, you answered your own question, but to to answer unique's question in my understanding of state laws.
The issue was not really how dangerous or safe the United States is, but how gsxrac could legally exercise his right to concealed carry in the state of Virginia. He has gone through the rigors of demonstrating that he is a responsible, law abiding citizen and is capable of of carrying a concealed firearm for the purpose of self-defense.
Had gsxrac been found to have a concealed weapon, and had there been no other automatic law (such as the alcohol caveat) disqualifying him from exercising his CCW right, he should have been fine showing his CCW permit UNLESS, and this varies by state, the appropriate signage was posted with the correct size, shape, wording, and visability as stated in state law. I'm not sure how Virginia law is worded, but typically, just stating 'no firearms allowed' isn't good enough. The sign must adhere to the strict requirements set forth by the state in order to be counted as a 'legal' no-firearms posting. Not sure how Virginia law defines the requirements for that sign.
This was a bit of a rant, but I get annoyed at people that cannot believe some of us have the right to protect ourselves regardless of the tool used to do so. Statistics can of course be warped to benefit either side of an argument, but it's fairly hard to argue that the top 10 'safest' states (read: most restrictive on firearms rights) in the union as defined by the Brady campagn have the top 10 worst violent crime and homocide rates in the country.
Trading freedom for the illusion of safety is not something gsxrac is willing to do, and I thank him and every other CCW holder for making criminals think twice about whether their next victim might be prepared to fight back.
Back to our regularly scheduled flashaholic programming...
Since the serving of alcohol disqualified you from CCW on the premises, you answered your own question, but to to answer unique's question in my understanding of state laws.
The issue was not really how dangerous or safe the United States is, but how gsxrac could legally exercise his right to concealed carry in the state of Virginia. He has gone through the rigors of demonstrating that he is a responsible, law abiding citizen and is capable of of carrying a concealed firearm for the purpose of self-defense.
Had gsxrac been found to have a concealed weapon, and had there been no other automatic law (such as the alcohol caveat) disqualifying him from exercising his CCW right, he should have been fine showing his CCW permit UNLESS, and this varies by state, the appropriate signage was posted with the correct size, shape, wording, and visability as stated in state law. I'm not sure how Virginia law is worded, but typically, just stating 'no firearms allowed' isn't good enough. The sign must adhere to the strict requirements set forth by the state in order to be counted as a 'legal' no-firearms posting. Not sure how Virginia law defines the requirements for that sign.
This was a bit of a rant, but I get annoyed at people that cannot believe some of us have the right to protect ourselves regardless of the tool used to do so. Statistics can of course be warped to benefit either side of an argument, but it's fairly hard to argue that the top 10 'safest' states (read: most restrictive on firearms rights) in the union as defined by the Brady campagn have the top 10 worst violent crime and homocide rates in the country.
Trading freedom for the illusion of safety is not something gsxrac is willing to do, and I thank him and every other CCW holder for making criminals think twice about whether their next victim might be prepared to fight back.
Back to our regularly scheduled flashaholic programming...
In case of killer clowns.
Virginia is currently trying to implement a law where you WILL be able to carry in places that serve alcohol as long as your not drinking. BUT from what I understand you will have to ask the owner for permission to carry? This may just be me but im pretty sure if you walk into ______ and ask to speak to the owner and then say "hey do you mind if I carry a gun in your buisness?" 90% of the time the answer is going to be "HELL NO YOU CANT!"
But back onto topic a little bit I know alot of people that carry every day but I dont think ANY of them EDC a flashlight?:ohgeez: Chances are if you have to use your weapon its probably going to be in a dark environment or at night time so common sense tells me I need a light!?!?
But back onto topic a little bit I know alot of people that carry every day but I dont think ANY of them EDC a flashlight?:ohgeez: Chances are if you have to use your weapon its probably going to be in a dark environment or at night time so common sense tells me I need a light!?!?
unique
Enlightened
Whats the point in carrying a gun if everyone else has one?
Its like fighting fire with fire.
Its like fighting fire with fire.
Well for one we do some pretty extensive backround checks its not like you just walk into wal-mart and pick up a concealed permit off the shelf. You have to first take a class on handling firearms safely then you have to fill out a long form and send it and $50 to your county offices and wait 6-8 weeks( I think ) not to mention I think most places fingerprint you first (my county does not)
And #2 people with concealed liscenses RARELY ever commit crimes because of all the backround checks done on them. And if what your saying is why do I need one if the guy beside me has one... #1 theres no gurantee he DOES. #2 I know for a fact that I am well trained with my weapon and lets face it, in an emergency situation everybody is looking out for themselves so dont count on the guy at the supermarket to have his concealed AND be carrying AND be looking out for you if the need arises
And #2 people with concealed liscenses RARELY ever commit crimes because of all the backround checks done on them. And if what your saying is why do I need one if the guy beside me has one... #1 theres no gurantee he DOES. #2 I know for a fact that I am well trained with my weapon and lets face it, in an emergency situation everybody is looking out for themselves so dont count on the guy at the supermarket to have his concealed AND be carrying AND be looking out for you if the need arises
Chrontius
Flashlight Enthusiast
All your well-researched and sourced statistics can be found here: www.gunfacts.info - turns out a lot of the classical arguments were based on flawed studies and only six cities (all with basically no concealed-carry permitted) are driving up America's average violent crime rate.
And bringing this back to flashlights........
i would bring my AAA keyring light if i were you, just to make sure theres no mis -understanding. Mine is the LF2X. People dont generally think a flashlight small enough to be on a keychain is bright enough to be as disrupting as say...a laser pointer...
given that the laser pointer and flashlight are in the same sentence, i think thats what they are worried about.
just dont bring a maxablaster or anything
Crenshaw
i would bring my AAA keyring light if i were you, just to make sure theres no mis -understanding. Mine is the LF2X. People dont generally think a flashlight small enough to be on a keychain is bright enough to be as disrupting as say...a laser pointer...
given that the laser pointer and flashlight are in the same sentence, i think thats what they are worried about.
just dont bring a maxablaster or anything
Crenshaw
deranged_coder
Enlightened
In most events where flashlights are not allowed it is usually because very bright lights can be disruptive to the performers and there are some idiots who flash bright flashlights, point laser pointers, etc. at the performers trying to distract them. In something like a circus environment, distracting the performers is a safety hazard that could easily cost someone their life. :shakehead
I would suggest that in the future if you are going to an event where flashlights are typically not allowed I would bring something small like a Photon Freedom Micro on a keychain or on a neck lanyard. They are small enough that they are not much of a risk for disrupting the performers yet can still produce enough light for the times when you might actually need the light e.g. you dropped something under your seat and need to locate it.
I would suggest that in the future if you are going to an event where flashlights are typically not allowed I would bring something small like a Photon Freedom Micro on a keychain or on a neck lanyard. They are small enough that they are not much of a risk for disrupting the performers yet can still produce enough light for the times when you might actually need the light e.g. you dropped something under your seat and need to locate it.
Well I took my M20 and my SF E1 with the old KL1 head and thats the one I used the few times I needed a light. Bright enough to navigate but not really bright enough to disrupt anyone unless its in their face :candle:
What's the point of not carrying a gun in when the bad guys carry?
It's like being a VICTIM.
I carry all the time, usually concealed and open. Open carry is legal in Wyoming with no permit, concealed with a permit. Tourists from places like Europe, New York, Los Angeles and Australia are amazed and local law enforcement gets regular calls about "people with guns". They are even more surprised when the police dispatcher says, "That's perfectly legal here. Welcome to Wyoming!"
It's legal to open or concealed carry in banks and there is no financial institution in Cody, Wyoming with "high security" measures like bullet-proof glass for tellers.
Only criminals with I.Q.s lower than 70 would even think of robbing someone here. A few years ago, several out of state bikers got into an arguement at a restaurant. A single police officer was dispatched and confronted the three gang members. One biker looked at the officer and laughed saying, "Just what do you think you are going to do?"
The police officer replied, "Look behind you." Four patrons were pointing pistols at the bikers. The bikers asked to be taken to jail.
Wyoming has a "Castle Doctrine" law which prevents anybody I've shot and/or killed legally under the law after breaking into my home from suing me for damages. Their relatives can't sue, either.
I don't have to decide which flashlight to carry for self-defense. I choose from the Glock 26, 17, 21, or Ruger Security Six .38 Special. With a Kel-tec P32 or Walther .22 as back up.:twothumbs
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