HID Flashlight

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It appears to be the same basic design as the Oracle 35W with some slightly different machining on the body.

See the Oracle 35W thread, also on the first page in this HID section.
 
You just have to decide on whether you want to buy from a China based dealer or from an American dealer for a little more money.

If the light came with a defective battery....then what? Send the bad one back to China and wait for a replacement? It could take weeks.

Of course they might send one out immediately and not wait for the bad one to get to them first....who knows when you're dealing with overseas merchants. I don't like the ones that "protect" the bidders/buyers identities because you cant' read the buyers feedback.

I will say this....I have bought quite a few light related items from China on ebay and have not had any problems whatsoever. Yet.

As far as the light goes, it is probably as good as any other of its type available.
 
SunFire900 said:
You just have to decide on whether you want to buy from a China based dealer or from an American dealer for a little more money.

If the light came with a defective battery....then what? Send the bad one back to China and wait for a replacement? It could take weeks.

Of course they might send one out immediately and not wait for the bad one to get to them first....who knows when you're dealing with overseas merchants. I don't like the ones that "protect" the bidders/buyers identities because you cant' read the buyers feedback.

I will say this....I have bought quite a few light related items from China on ebay and have not had any problems whatsoever. Yet.

As far as the light goes, it is probably as good as any other of its type available.
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I don't see any sellers selling in the USA for under $200. And I thought the USA folk just imported their stuff from china so they're the same product. Is that right?

Honestly guys, I don't know much about HID, I just want a really bright flashlight with the size of a 3D maglight or so. Just last weekend I went camping, and my friend brought this flashlight:
http://cgi.ebay.com/T6-1600-Lumens-...in_0?hash=item3c9bc37ec3&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

And it totally blew my Surefire 6P away! Now I know they're not comparable cause mine is smaller, but I do want something of similar brightness to the one my friend had or brighter. I was thinking of getting 2 extenders for my 6p for a 4x RCR123A setup but I can't seem to find any that can compete with my friend's flashlight.
And then I saw the 35watt HID flashlight. How bright would it be compared to my friends light? And, I hear it has adjustable beam, does that mean it has artifacts in it?
THanks again,
-BEaver
 
Beaver_2 said:
I don't see any sellers selling in the USA for under $200. And I thought the USA folk just imported their stuff from china so they're the same product. Is that right?
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Yes, that is correct. I was just saying that it is much easier to deal with a reputable US dealer, if necessary, than to deal with someone on the other side of the globe. It's just personal preference.

The HID light would be quite a bit brighter than the LED, but the HID puts out gobs of spill. Holding the light in your hand pointing it forward, it will light up your feet and everything else in front of you! It's blinding to any living organism w/eyes.:eek:

You have to decide if you want a spot or flood light. Even though the HID has adjustable beam, it doesn't go from pinpoint spot to wide flood. It is a very narrow range of adjustment. It is mostly flood with decent throw. I really can't say for sure as I know nothing about the particular light you mentioned. Oh yeah, the beam would most likely be quite smooth.

Last thing is...these lights are LARGE flashlights. Like a 3D m@g on steroids. By no means pocketable.

Just think carefully about what you need and not so much about what you'd like to have.
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SunFire900 said:
You have to decide if you want a spot or flood light.
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What light would you recommend that is of comparable size that has throw? I have a Cyclops Thor 10MCP, could the 35watt HID out throw that?
Also, do HID lights have start up times or something? I was reading other threads and someone seemed to mention that it had like an 8 second or something. What up with that?
 
Beaver_2 said:
What light would you recommend that is of comparable size that has throw? I have a Cyclops Thor 10MCP, could the 35watt HID out throw that?
Also, do HID lights have start up times or something? I was reading other threads and someone seemed to mention that it had like an 8 second or something. What up with that?
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There is a warm up time with all HID ballasts from initial to full output when you turn on the light. Eight seconds is a relatively fast startup time that you see in the higher end lights like the Polarion series. With a no name brand like this you should expect start up times around 15-20 seconds.
 
CajunJosh said:
There is a warm up time with all HID ballasts from initial to full output when you turn on the light. Eight seconds is a relatively fast startup time that you see in the higher end lights like the Polarion series. With a no name brand like this you should expect start up times around 15-20 seconds.
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Please let me add that it isn't like you start off with a dim, unusable light when you turn it on. It's very usable. And once it comes up to full brightness, you will forget all about the start-up time!:D
 
As I stated in the Oracle thread I think these have smooth reflectors "saw a You tube video somewhere". Which I could get this reflector "if it is smooth" for the 35 watt Oracle:thumbsup:.
 
It looks like a very nice light. If you do get it be sure to post a review so we can all see the quality for price.

An HID is something I haven't purchased yet, the advertised Lumens blows away even my brightest lights.
 
FYI 6000K bulb and no case included. Plus you might have to pay customs if you buy a $200 light from overseas...
 
Juggernaut said:
As I stated in the Oracle thread I think these have smooth reflectors "saw a You tube video somewhere". Which I could get this reflector "if it is smooth" for the 35 watt Oracle:thumbsup:.
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Does the Oracle come with a smooth reflector?

Databyter said:
It looks like a very nice light. If you do get it be sure to post a review so we can all see the quality for price.
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I will most definately.
jasonck08 said:
FYI 6000K bulb and no case included. Plus you might have to pay customs if you buy a $200 light from overseas...
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The page said 5000-6000K, is that bad thing? Sorry, I'm a neophyte some of these flashlight terms and such. I paid $160 for the light, $30, for shipping, $8.00 more for insurance. Minus $16.00 from Bing Cashback. The total was about $180.00.
I'd consider the ORacle, but I can't even find where to buy one. I thought ORacles were just the same MAde in China stuff anyways.
 
Patriot said:
It comes with an orange peel reflector.
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What is the orange peel reflector and how do you know it doesn't come with the one from Hong Kong.

From the site you mentioned, it would cost me $250 for the dual mode with shipping. That's essentialy $70.00 more to buy pretty much the same product with a case from the US.
 
Beaver_2 said:
What is the orange peel reflector and how do you know it doesn't come with the one from Hong Kong.

From the site you mentioned, it would cost me $250 for the dual mode with shipping. That's essentialy $70.00 more to buy pretty much the same product with a case from the US.
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"Orange peel" means that the reflector, though highly polished, has a surface texture resembling an orange peel. It smoothes out the lights beam and thus reduces artifacts. This is good except that it also reduces throw. Personally, I would like to have both reflectors for my Oracle 35w. That way I'd know what the differences are. Can't seem to find one anywhere. If I were to guess, I'd say that your light will have a OP surface reflector and not a smooth one. I really don't know. Let us know when you get it.

Pretty much.
It really isn't always about saving a buck. Just personal preference.
 
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SunFire900 said:
Pretty much.
It really isn't always about saving a buck. Just personal preference.
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I'd pay 25% more for made in the USA. But seeing that it was just the same product imported with a case I didn't see much value in it except for the seller. But I didn't think that was worth the price increase. Espacially when I was curious to as how the products would compare since no one's bought from ebay before.
 
I just searched You tube for a couple of minuets and I just can't find that video were they show the light and it looks like it has a smooth reflector. However most of the other 35 watt HID videos "assumed to be of the EBay light since the word Oracle is no were to be found and they are all referred to as (Xenon 35watt)" as you can see in these two videos the main beam is very focused "I can't get anything like this, let alone see it on camera:shakehead" and there are visible artifacts. The heavy Orange peel reflectors on the Oracles eliminates any and all Artifacts "at least on my sample" while I can't get such a good throwing beam as demonstrated in these videos "possibly" helped by the smooth reflector if these light have them. Still not sure:thinking:.

You can see the artifacts on the wall and at the distance of the house, with my light I can just make out the difference between the cornea of the beam and the hot spot, while the hot spot in this video is very small and intense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EryDEv4NG3Y&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfD6bagl-48&feature=related
 
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Beaver_2 said:
I'd pay 25% more for made in the USA. But seeing that it was just the same product imported with a case I didn't see much value in it except for the seller..
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Just one quick observation: You take your risks about this light being the same light at all. Counterfeit china-production is very common. Sometimes it is the same light, made in the exact same factory but unbranded and with cheaper cardbox, which makes it a good buy in deed. Sometimes it is a cheap knock-off made as cheap as possible in another factory. Hard to tell the difference before buying, I think...
 
Juggernaut said:
I just searched You tube for a couple of minuets and I just can't find that video were they show the light and it looks like it has a smooth reflector. However most of the other 35 watt HID videos "assumed to be of the EBay light since the word Oracle is no were to be found and they are all referred to as (Xenon 35watt)" as you can see in these two videos the main beam is very focused "I can't get anything like this, let alone see it on camera:shakehead" and there are visible artifacts. The heavy Orange peel reflectors on the Oracles eliminates any and all Artifacts "at least on my sample" while I can't get such a good throwing beam as demonstrated in these videos "possibly" helped by the smooth reflector if these light have them. Still not sure:thinking:.

You can see the artifacts on the wall and at the distance of the house, with my light I can just make out the difference between the cornea of the beam and the hot spot, while the hot spot in this video is very small and intense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EryDEv4NG3Y&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfD6bagl-48&feature=related
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+1
Hope someone can explain how the beam on this videos looks very intense :ohgeez:
 
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