Highest quality/capacity 3.7v RCR123?

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I have 2 BatteryStation 3.7v 900mah RCR123s' that I'm rotating through my new SSC-P4 modded all black E1e/KL1 setup. But I've had them a while so I'm in the market for another set. I see that in another thread, Ultrafire has one they claim at 1000ma. Don't know what the quality is like on those. What high capacity, high quality cells would you recommend?
 
123s don't hold enough active material to have more than 600-650mah. Really good ones might get to 750mah (AW's cells do, for example).
There's no way in hell your "900mah" cells have that capacity in them.
I also have four RCR123s that are rated at 800mah, but performance suggests 600mah is their true capacity.

Ultrafire is known for overstating capacity in their cells, so don't assume just because it has a brand logo on it its rating is genuine.
 
Hmmm. Why would all them state higher capacities than they actually have? I may have to look into those AW cells.
 
123s don't hold enough active material to have more than 600-650mah. Really good ones might get to 750mah (AW's cells do, for example).
There's no way in hell your "900mah" cells have that capacity in them.

How do you guys know this?
I'm not doubting about your answer, just a plain newbie question.
 
Hello Randy,

The capacity of a cell is determined by a discharge. Charging numbers are interesting, but do not reflect the actual capacity.

Charging a Li-Ion cell involves a CC/CV algorithm. The figures presented seem to indicate that the 777 looks at the initial charge rate, then reports capacity as a function of the time it takes to charge. The CV portion of a Li-Ion charge involves lower currents. The reported figures may be based on the length of charge multiplied by the initial charge rate. This would tend to inflate the charge capacity.

The real test is a discharge test. If Windscale is getting 2 hour run times when everyone else is getting 1 hour run times with the same light, then it becomes something to consider.

I was waiting for such a report from Windscale, but the topic got dropped.

Tom
 
I have Powerizer RCR123 3.7v 650mAh and Ultrafire RCR123 3.7v 880mAh batteries. The Ultrafire batteries have longer runtime which shows they are not totally overstating their capacity. I have been happy with Ultrafire batteries.
123s don't hold enough active material to have more than 600-650mah. Really good ones might get to 750mah (AW's cells do, for example).
There's no way in hell your "900mah" cells have that capacity in them.
I also have four RCR123s that are rated at 800mah, but performance suggests 600mah is their true capacity.

Ultrafire is known for overstating capacity in their cells, so don't assume just because it has a brand logo on it its rating is genuine.
 
I have four of Battery Station's 900 mAH protected RCR123 batteries, and two of Ultrafire's 880 mAH protected RCR123's. After quite a few discharge tests at 500 mA, the Battery Station cells deliver 615 mAH, and the Ultrafires deliver a consistent 550 mAH.

I haven't discharged them at lower current draws...I wanted to see what they'd deliver at a realistic "in use" current draw.
 
I have four of Battery Station's 900 mAH protected RCR123 batteries, and two of Ultrafire's 880 mAH protected RCR123's. After quite a few discharge tests at 500 mA, the Battery Station cells deliver 615 mAH, and the Ultrafires deliver a consistent 550 mAH.

I haven't discharged them at lower current draws...I wanted to see what they'd deliver at a realistic "in use" current draw.
Your figures are absolutely realistic. There is no R123 made that can deliver more than this in real circumstances.

Unfortunately, a lot of CPFers seem to be taken in by claims of R123s with capacities more than 800mAh, even 1,000mAh, and these claims are complete BS. The higher the figure printed on the cell, the more the BS, and usually the poorer the cell quality too. It is mystifying that people continue to fall for this and buy junk cells.
 
Thing about the Ultrafire 880s is they're even taller than those "tall" cells Lighthound had on clearance with a warning they were too long to fit in many lights. Worse, the button is short and the protection wires under the wrapper thick so they won't reach the flat contact on many lights with mechanical reverse polarity protection. But then they are as cheap as completely unprotected "MP" cells.

Are the Battery Station cells similarly larger than "16340?"
 
You get a number of additional problems with cheapo protected cells. Sometimes the makers just stick a protection circuit on the end of an unprotected cell, then shrink-wrap it. This makes it ~2mm longer, so it is now too long and won't fit properly. But then some people squash them in anyway, and the protection circuit can get damaged by being squashed. There may not be any visible sign of this damage and people can still think they have protected cells and of course now they haven't - they're unprotected and all the more dangerous because the users don't realise it.

Also, as you say, some manufacturers take off or flatten the button to try to get round the length problem. A user gets hold of these and finds they don't make contact in a 2-cell or 3-cell light. So what does he do? He remembers reading somewhere about using small magnets to make the contact between cells. He doesn't realise that this is dangerous because the magnet is likely to slip and cause a dangerous short against the body of the light if it isn't properly insulated.

So he's wasted his time and money on junk cells which don't fit and may even be dangerous, he's spent extra $$ on magnets as well, the cells are now ruined and maybe the light is too. He could have avoided all that trouble if he'd realised that YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR and bought good cells to start with.
 
You get a number of additional problems with cheapo protected cells. Sometimes the makers just stick a protection circuit on the end of an unprotected cell, then shrink-wrap it. This makes it ~2mm longer, so it is now too long and won't fit properly. But then some people squash them in anyway, and the protection circuit can get damaged by being squashed. There may not be any visible sign of this damage and people can still think they have protected cells and of course now they haven't - they're unprotected and all the more dangerous because the users don't realise it.

Also, as you say, some manufacturers take off or flatten the button to try to get round the length problem. A user gets hold of these and finds they don't make contact in a 2-cell or 3-cell light. So what does he do? He remembers reading somewhere about using small magnets to make the contact between cells. He doesn't realise that this is dangerous because the magnet is likely to slip and cause a dangerous short against the body of the light if it isn't properly insulated.

So he's wasted his time and money on junk cells which don't fit and may even be dangerous, he's spent extra $$ on magnets as well, the cells are now ruined and maybe the light is too. He could have avoided all that trouble if he'd realised that YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR and bought good cells to start with.


You make good points, but I don't see your recommendations of good rcr123a's and where to buy them.
 
You make good points, but I don't see your recommendations of good rcr123a's and where to buy them.
Look up post #3 in AW's_battery_sales_thread. I use his R123s, which are rated at 750mAh.

You can see a good illustration of the sort of muddle some people get into in this_thread, where you can see a bunch of guys floundering about, buying cheap junk batteries and not knowing what to do with them, instead of reading some of the resource material available in this forum.
 
Thanks 51.

Seeing all the $ I'm going to save on disposable cr123's, I don't want to risk my lights, so I'll take your advice.
 
Why start a new thread when an old one will do just fine?

These are new UltraFire 16340 marked as 880mAh. Charger used Hyperion 720i a $200 charger which I happens to be one of the many I use with my RC aircraft..Cells were charge at 0.5A to 4.2 volts.
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Hello Charles,

:devil: Let's see now, 50% of labeled capacity seems pretty good... :devil:

Are you happy with them?

Tom
 
I am doing The Dance of Joy. They are over twice the capacity of the Tenergy RCR 123A 900 mAh cells which cost even more.

I think it is wonderful that a cells that cost 4 to $5 delivers 10 to 25% percent as much capacity as a cell which cost $2.50 (Sanyo Eneloop) and yes I realize these Li-Ions have over twice the voltage but still.

To me the only logical means to power a semi powerful Tactical(?) flashlight is with an extension tube and using two 18650 LiFePO4 cells. These may cost $20 for a pair but they will deliver the amps. maintane good voltage under load,have an allmost flat discharge curve,can be recharged in under 30 min. and will last most likely well over 1,000 cycles in a flashlight.
 
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