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cobb said:
Next power failure, just spray your mouth silver and buy a roll or life savers and chew with your mouth open /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Yeh! ...and if I turn up my walkman loud enough, maybe my teeth will glow too!
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cobb said:
Next power failure, just spray your mouth silver and buy a roll or life savers and chew with your mouth open /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Yeh! ...and if I turn up my walkman loud enough, maybe my teeth will glow too!


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I knew a guy (worked with him) that had a filling that got the local AM station from time to time. He didn't seem to like it all that much.....

Doug Owen
 
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Doug Owen said:
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PhotonWrangler said:
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cobb said:
Next power failure, just spray your mouth silver and buy a roll or life savers and chew with your mouth open /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Yeh! ...and if I turn up my walkman loud enough, maybe my teeth will glow too!


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I knew a guy (worked with him) that had a filling that got the local AM station from time to time. He didn't seem to like it all that much.....

Doug Owen

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I've heard anecdotal evidence of that kind of stuff happening. I suppose if there are dissimalar metals in the filling, it could produce rectification of a strong RF field, acting as a tiny crystal radio.

Maybe a surface-mount .1uf capacitor shunted from the top of the filling to the bottom would act as a LPF and get rid of the RF?
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Actually, the effect observed with Life Savers™ is triboluminescence.
This effect can be observed with most candy containing sugar. Plain hard sugar will work. The effect is amplified in Wintergreen flavor due to the chemical, methyl salicylate.

1. When the sugar crystals are broken by your teeth, the negatively charged particles break free. The resulting atoms in which were formerly within the matrix become positively charged. The free electrons are now released to zip around.

2. Nitrogen molecules in the air attach themselves to the broken surfaces of the sugar crystals. The free electrons strike the nitrogen molecules and cause them to emit invisible ultraviolet radiation and a visible glow.

3. UV radiation is absorbed by the wintergreen flavoring(methyl salicylate), causing a bright blue light to be emitted. The methyl salicylate is fluorescent, which means it absorbs light of a shorter wavelength and then emits it as light of a longer wavelength. UV has a shorter wavelength than visible light. When the wintergreen is crushed, the methyl salicylate molecules absorb the UV, the shorter wavelength of light produced by the excited nitrogen and re-emit it as light of the visible spectrum, in this case blue light.

One may also take a Life Saver and connect it with wires to a neon tube and strike the candy and the tube will flash. It might work with an LED.

The effect can also be observed when a piece of tape is ripped from a roll, but fainter.

As far as the nature of light, one finds either as determined by the nature of the experiment. If one tests for waves, waves are observed. If one tests for particles, particles are observed. No experiment has been devised to illustrate both effects at the same time. It may be impossible, but I would tend to think that by using a calcite crystal to split the light into two beams that one could be tested for particles and one for waves. But, this is not the same thing as finding both from one beam of light.

I think that someone earlier was commenting on the "mind-blowing" concept of QED and not the LED. I would have to agree. QED is is a topic that even stymied Einstein. He refused to believe in the "spooky action at a distance" observed in QED. The point is that particles may disappear here and re-appear elsewhere - instantaneously! John Stewart Bell provided a proof to illustrate this is the way Nature really operates. This has been proven by experiments.

Einstein never accepted this supposition because that would tend to negate his Theory of Relativity - something exceeding the speed of light. It also negates the possiblity of an objective reality. This may not be the case though. There could be some, as yet, undiscovered principle of Nature that would allow both effects to occur and both be true. Maybe due to multiple dimensions beyond the four that Einstein postulated.

The scientists that invented QED do not understand it completely. It is counter-intuitive. Anyone claiming to understand it completely is mistaken.

"Anyone who is not shocked by quantum theory has not understood it." - Niels Bohr

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Finbar said:
...Nitrogen molecules in the air attach themselves to the broken surfaces of the sugar crystals. The free electrons strike the nitrogen molecules and cause them to emit invisible ultraviolet radiation and a visible glow.


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Excellent, Fin; thank you for explaining this! Do you happen to know what wavelength of UV is produced when the nitrogen molecules are struck by the free electrons from the candy?

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3. UV radiation is absorbed by the wintergreen flavoring(methyl salicylate), causing a bright blue light to be emitted. The methyl salicylate is fluorescent, which means it absorbs light of a shorter wavelength and then emits it as light of a longer wavelength.


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Ok, I'm gonna check this out tomorrow with a UV lamp and a roll of Lifesavers! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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One may also take a Life Saver and connect it with wires to a neon tube and strike the candy and the tube will flash. It might work with an LED.


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If this creates enough of a pulse to briefly light a neon tube, shouldn't this electrical pulse also be felt in one's mouth when it happens? Or does the physical shock of the crunch overpower any sense of electrical stimulation?
 
Ok, I bought a roll of wintergreen Lifesavers today, purely for the purpose of collecting empirical data. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif I found that they produce a weak fluorescence when illuminated by a ~395nm UV LED, and a weaker fluorescence when illuminated by a 365nm BLB-style fluorescent blacklight. I don't know what wavenength is produced by the nitrogen reaction described above.
 
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