How long do NiMH cells last?

Orion

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I have some that I have been using in my camera and at full charge I get about 3-5 shots before the "change the batteries" message comes up. I know they don't last forever, but I can't believe that I've reached the point of no longer taking a charge.

I'm using Energizer rechargeables, 2500 mAh.

My camera takes 4 of them. Do I need to think about using a different source of power?
 
Those batteries are notorious for their high self discharge. How long are you letting them sit before using them? The ones I have, I've charged them and come back a week later only to find I have to charge them again. Since then, I've switched to the lower capacity, but low self descharge NiMH cells like eneloops and have never suffered the same fate. You should try charging them and then take them hot of the charger and put them into your camera to see how long they last.
 
As already mentioned, you are almost certainly experiencing the effects of RAPID self-discharge problems with your 2500s. These things have been known to go from a full charge to completely dead within 24-48 hours JUST from self-discharge. It has been known to "crop up" as a problem within the first few dozen cycles on these cells, and they just get worse and worse. I completely gave up on mine a long while back.

Another issue worth pointing out is that some cameras are sensitive to voltage input and need a little more oomf on the voltage end of the performance scale to keep that "low battery" indicator from flashing prematurely. Many people will testify that the Sanyo branded ENELOOP Low-Self-Discharge cell performs ADMIRABLY in the voltage department under a load. So while they may be rated for lower mAH capacity, they actually maintain higher voltage under operating loads, which results in them having more true capacity than would be expected based purely on the label capacity. Total energy storage of a cell can be expressed as "watt-hours" which is the combination of the mAH capacity and voltage delivered. Watt-Hours are often a far better comparison of performance from cell to cell when the cells are being used in a device that is "regulated" or requires a certain amount of energy to perform an operation regardless. When the voltage of the battery is higher, the device can draw less amps to achieve the same result.

Following information provided cortesy SilverFox:
link: http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=79302

Anyways... A NEW energizer 2500 (before developing problems) has about 2.67 watt-hours capacity. The eneloop about 2.32 watt-hours. So even though the label mAH rating is 25% higher on the Energizer, the true energy storage is only about 15% higher.

All this is a totally moot point really when talking about the energizer 2500s, because by the time you use them, even if it's only been a few hours since the charge, they are very likely already depleted to a capacity lower than that of an eneloop. The eneloop will hold a charge for a LONG time. IIRC it's like 80% after a year. (can't remember exact figure).

Another great thing about the eneloops, is that they seem to be VERY robust cells as far their life expectancy is concerned. Like I said before, the energizers seem to only last a few dozen cycles before having major problems. Eneloops on the other hand, seem to be good for several hundred cycles or better. I think they are rated at like 1000 cycles by the manufacture, but I think that would depend on usage habits etc etc... I've personally been abusing the living heck out of eneloops in various 4-6 amp loads, and every single cell I bought is still performing flawlessly.

Eric
 
I have some that I have been using in my camera and at full charge I get about 3-5 shots before the "change the batteries" message comes up. ... Do I need to think about using a different source of power?
Yes, I'd say you should definitely think about using a different source of power. A typical camera that takes 4 AA cells should deliver 200-400 shots on a set of NiMH rechargeables. Try Eneloops; they may cost a little more but they are reliable performers.

Also consider what charger you are using. The Energizer 15 minute battery fryer, for example, is not a good choice. Sanyo recommend not to charge Eneloops faster than 2 hours, and this is good advice to follow for all cells. Charge faster than that and lesser quality cells can easily get very hot by the end of charge.
 
I also was using those cells in my M8 and they needed to be charged every other day......lol.....didnt last very long at the track at all. Im using Duracell, Eneloops, and Titanium lsd's and im very happy with them, as for the M8 i have the Duracell 2650's in them and the batts havent let me down yet. Now as for the energizers i gave them away.....when i should have thrown them in the trash.
 
As already mentioned, you are almost certainly experiencing the effects of RAPID self-discharge problems with your 2500s.
Eric
Or, maybe one or more of the cells is bad. In any event you would do well to switch to one of the LSD cells.
 
I have some that I have been using in my camera and at full charge I get about 3-5 shots before the "change the batteries" message comes up. I know they don't last forever, but I can't believe that I've reached the point of no longer taking a charge.

I'm using Energizer rechargeables, 2500 mAh.

My camera takes 4 of them. Do I need to think about using a different source of power?

Orion, to answer your topic question....while it depends on brand/model, I have some PowerEx NiMH AA cells that claim 1,000 recharges that I have been using regularly for over 5 years in my MP3 player, and 2 more in a wireless mouse.
 
Also consider what charger you are using. The Energizer 15 minute battery fryer, for example, is not a good choice.
True, but even so, in a lengthy torture test SilverFox managed to get 150 cycles from an Eneloop repeatedly charged with that charger. From what people say, that's still better performance than an Energizer 2500 charged conservatively.

Eneloops are great for cameras because you can come back to it any time and the batteries won't have gone flat while it sat there.
 
Also consider what charger you are using. The Energizer 15 minute battery fryer, for example, is not a good choice.
True, but even so, in a lengthy torture test SilverFox managed to get 150 cycles from an Eneloop repeatedly charged with that charger. From what people say, that's still better performance than an Energizer 2500 charged conservatively.
True indeed, but not all cells are born as Eneloops. I wonder what would be the fate of the Energizer 2500 cells in the same charger?
 
It figures...I"ve got a ton of the 2500s. And yes, I seem to replace them a lot. I don't think I'm having as many problems as others are, but they do seem to self-discharge a lot.
Hopefully the 2450's are better. But I might as well get the LSD ones, I suppose.

-Mike
 
Thanks for the help, guys. I will try to look for the eneloops. Where can I find them, and the charger? Wal-Mart? Best Buy?

I suppose that I shouldn't use the Energizer charger with the eneloops, correct?
 
Some walmart still have a charger + 4 cells for $16-20. Walmart also has a Duracell Mobile charger + 2xAA + 2xAAA which includes made in Japan pre-charged cells, which are rebadged eneloop cells.
 
+1 on what the others said about the Energiser 2500's. Everyone thought they were great when they just came out until they realised that they start to go bad quite quickly.

I'd recommend Ansmann AA's (2500,2700,2850 or maxE)

Remember that NiMh need to be used. If left unused for too long they will become permanently damaged and probably die after a couple of years or less. (This doesn't apply to NiCd)
 
Costco definitely carries them and Wal-Mart in the US carries them.

As for the Energizer charger, what type/model is it?

It's the one that works for either AA or AAA, and closes up into a square shape. It doesn't say it is specifically for Energizer rechargables, so it will probably work. Has a green LED that turns on when charging, off when charged, and a charge is roughly 12 hours.
 
It's the one that works for either AA or AAA, and closes up into a square shape. It doesn't say it is specifically for Energizer rechargables, so it will probably work. Has a green LED that turns on when charging, off when charged, and a charge is roughly 12 hours.

Almost definitely a cheap timed charger, which can easily kill cells. Turn it over and find the model # to know for sure.
 
+1 on carefully selecting a charger to get the most out of cells of ANY quality.

Silverfox rated the Accumanager 20 highly and I've gotten daily use out of mine for years. Thomas Distributing carries them.

I'm another who's very pleased with my Eneloops.
 
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It could be the batteries and the charger setup but....

Also check the website for your camera to see if there has been a firmware update. Some brands have bugs in the software that will report a bad battery condition when the cells are still good. I had a very early HP unit that would take pics all day long if I didn't use the LCD. It had a bug that would shut down the camera after three shots or so with the LCD on. The cells were not dead. I also had a Panasonic that would not go past 40 or so shots without flash. The cells were still charged but the internal program thought they were dead. I could pop them out and back in to jumpstart the computer.

I picked up a discounted "one left" Samsung recently that has two profiles, one for Alkaline and one for NIMH. If it isn't on NIMH with them, it shows they are near depleted when hot off the charger. Program set points there.
 
Almost definitely a cheap timed charger, which can easily kill cells. Turn it over and find the model # to know for sure.

I couldn't really find much on it, other than 1204 (I think that was the correct numbers, can't remember right now), located near the plug in.

What charger should I get for the eneloop cells?
 

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