How to diagnose a firing problem

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At this point it looks pretty likely your driver has failed. It should be pretty much a no-brainer to hook it up, and if it doesn't work, it doesn't work!

I suppose if you had the LED polarity reversed it would not work and might not destroy the LED.
 

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If it fits, it should work. But 5A is a lot for an XM-L2. It's been done (at least on the XM-L), but you have to have really good thermal path to the water, and be very careful to make sure it doesn't run very long out of the water, at least at high. This is pretty serious overdrive, and will certainly shorten the life in the best of circumstances. I'm sure you don't care if you reduce the life from 50,000 hours to 1000 hours, but at that drive level you could easily reduce it to 1 hour, or even 1 minute. Heatsink, heatsink, heatsink.

It might be possible to reduce the current on that driver, but it would mean replacing one of the components. Not a big deal for me, maybe more so for you.

I would think you should be able to find a similar driver that's 3A or so, which would be more 'normal' for an XL-L2.

Come to think of it, I've seen your pictures, and there's no way there's good enough heatsinking in that light to run it at 5A. I wonder if maybe it was running at 3A and that shortened it's life to whatever you got. In my diving, I value high output over long life and reliability, so I'd probably go for a 3A driver. If it was the other way around, I'd probably go for around 2A. I'd only use a 5A driver if I wanted absolute max output and wouldn't mind much if it failed halfway through the first dive.
 

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If it fits, it should work. But 5A is a lot for an XM-L2. It's been done (at least on the XM-L), but you have to have really good thermal path to the water, and be very careful to make sure it doesn't run very long out of the water, at least at high. This is pretty serious overdrive, and will certainly shorten the life in the best of circumstances. I'm sure you don't care if you reduce the life from 50,000 hours to 1000 hours, but at that drive level you could easily reduce it to 1 hour, or even 1 minute. Heatsink, heatsink, heatsink.

It might be possible to reduce the current on that driver, but it would mean replacing one of the components. Not a big deal for me, maybe more so for you.

I would think you should be able to find a similar driver that's 3A or so, which would be more 'normal' for an XL-L2.

Come to think of it, I've seen your pictures, and there's no way there's good enough heatsinking in that light to run it at 5A. I wonder if maybe it was running at 3A and that shortened it's life to whatever you got. In my diving, I value high output over long life and reliability, so I'd probably go for a 3A driver. If it was the other way around, I'd probably go for around 2A. I'd only use a 5A driver if I wanted absolute max output and wouldn't mind much if it failed halfway through the first dive.

How about this one:
http://www.mtnelectronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=67&product_id=382
 

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Did you check the input voltage range?


The input voltage is 8.3 volts when turned on.
Been checking out dx.com for drivers I put in 3 a drivers in search ...
There are heaps to choose from , what should I be looking for , my led had 5 modes like to get 3 mod High medium low if I can but the same is fine .
Need some imput on which one to get , thinking I should buy different ones aswell .


Tony
 
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You want the current to be rated about what you want for your LED, in this case probably 2.8-3A. It should be rated for one LED, or maybe 1 or more. The input voltage range has to cover your battery voltage, which is 8.4V at the high end and about 6 at the low end. The low end number is a little squishy as it depends on how hard you want to push the battery. But you want at least 6-8.4V range on the driver.

A driver like this may or may not be called a 10W driver (maybe more, but not less) or "for 10W LEDs". They may or may not also refer to XML or XML2.

You also want to get a buck (AKA switchmode, switching) driver, to keep your efficiency in the 80+ range, as opposed to the 50% or so you'd get with a linear driver. This means it will have a sizable inductor on it. This will be a form with wire wrapped on it. You may or may not be able to see the wire, but it will be the largest component, and will have only 2 connections. Notice the driver you linked in post 44 doesn't have such a thing.

And obviously it needs to fit in your light, and have the modes you want (or can live with).
 

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You want the current to be rated about what you want for your LED, in this case probably 2.8-3A. It should be rated for one LED, or maybe 1 or more. The input voltage range has to cover your battery voltage, which is 8.4V at the high end and about 6 at the low end. The low end number is a little squishy as it depends on how hard you want to push the battery. But you want at least 6-8.4V range on the driver.

A driver like this may or may not be called a 10W driver (maybe more, but not less) or "for 10W LEDs". They may or may not also refer to XML or XML2.

You also want to get a buck (AKA switchmode, switching) driver, to keep your efficiency in the 80+ range, as opposed to the 50% or so you'd get with a linear driver. This means it will have a sizable inductor on it. This will be a form with wire wrapped on it. You may or may not be able to see the wire, but it will be the largest component, and will have only 2 connections. Notice the driver you linked in post 44 doesn't have such a thing.

And obviously it needs to fit in your light, and have the modes you want (or can live with).

How about any of these...
http://www.dx.com/p/2-7v-4-2v-1400ma-5-mode-led-driver-board-2-pcs-162807#.Vhzf3LU0P6k
http://www.dx.com/p/3-mode-2800ma-l...ashlight-dc-2-7-4-2v-2pcs-162788#.VhzgebU0P6k
http://www.dx.com/p/350-400ma-regul...r-diy-flashlight-1-2-1-5v-128084#.VhzivbU0P6k
http://www.dx.com/p/regulated-3-mod...for-diy-flashlight-5-8-4v-128093#.VhzlebU0P6k

The last one looks like the one that came out of my light...
Can you take a look at these let me know which one will work with my new LED!

Cheers Tony
 

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The first three don't meet your voltage requirements. The last one would work, but would only drive the LED to 800-1000 mA, which would give you around 3W.

These would also work, and push the power levels closer to 10W:

http://www.dx.com/p/t6-2500-3000ma-...or-diy-flashlight-4-5-18v-128269#.Vh2GRvlVhBc
http://www.dx.com/p/3v-12v-2500ma-5-mode-led-driver-board-162784#.Vh2GsPlVhBc
http://www.dx.com/p/2-0a-5-mode-mem...light-green-multi-colored-355969#.Vh2HCvlVhBc


2 of those are 22mm wide in diameter, I need 17 mm would they be ok if sanding the edges?

Best Tony
 

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Ah! Now it's me forgetting the requirements.

No, you can't take off that much of either of those. Looks like it's either 2A or you look elsewhere for a driver.
 
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