Kumkang update???
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Mr Ted Bear
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Kenshiro will share the information, when he is ready (there is both good news and bad)
Mr Ted Bear
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Rld
First of all, I indicated the situation in my above post.
Second, it is rude for you to demand information.
Third...
First of all, I indicated the situation in my above post.
Second, it is rude for you to demand information.
Third...
JonSidneyB
Flashlight Enthusiast
Mr Ted.....
Tell him I said Anyoung Hashimikka
Tell him I said Anyoung Hashimikka
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Rude??? maybe it is the ex military in me. I retired military special forces. I am just not used to winey replies and game playing. I do have 2 Kumkang lights at present. What does that have to do with me asking for the bottom line. I personally cut throught the red tape crap and can get the lights. If anyone wants one then Get off the dime and ask. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
Graham
Flashlight Enthusiast
I don't see anything whiney or any gameplaying going on.
If you want something from someone it generally helps to be polite and have some patience.
If you want something from someone it generally helps to be polite and have some patience.
Hello all,
Sorry for the wait.
I got a bad case of the flu in Korea.
I'm still kind of sick, but it seems like the wait is too much for some to bear.
So I'll give you an update.
Here's the jiff.
1) KumKang is branching out it's lighting division with a new name. It will be called "Polarion".
Because of this, they have to get all the corresponding licenses and permits for the "new" company.
Also, this will significantly delay it's US distributor process, but they are definitely in the plans of bringing the light over here. Should have more detail by sometime this winter(don't ask me why, but that's what they tell me).
2) They will do some repackaging for their light(obviously) which could include some minor changes. Not only to the light itself, but also in pricing. Notice I changed the pricing on my web site as well.
Again, bad news for people who wanted the light ASAP. But in the long run, I would say a positive step in the right direction.
That's it!
Sorry again for the wait.
Sorry for the wait.
I got a bad case of the flu in Korea.
I'm still kind of sick, but it seems like the wait is too much for some to bear.
So I'll give you an update.
Here's the jiff.
1) KumKang is branching out it's lighting division with a new name. It will be called "Polarion".
Because of this, they have to get all the corresponding licenses and permits for the "new" company.
Also, this will significantly delay it's US distributor process, but they are definitely in the plans of bringing the light over here. Should have more detail by sometime this winter(don't ask me why, but that's what they tell me).
2) They will do some repackaging for their light(obviously) which could include some minor changes. Not only to the light itself, but also in pricing. Notice I changed the pricing on my web site as well.
Again, bad news for people who wanted the light ASAP. But in the long run, I would say a positive step in the right direction.
That's it!
Sorry again for the wait.
Graham
Flashlight Enthusiast
Instigator? Um, right, yeah. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon3.gif
rld, there's no need for anyone to 'zip it'.
Graham
rld, there's no need for anyone to 'zip it'.
Graham
Sigman
* The Arctic Moderator *
rld..
Congrats on your career and making it to retirement! I too retired after 21 years in U.S.A.F., however never got anywhere talking to people the way you are here (reference a little demanding, eh?). You aren't in the military anymore and with these folks, you have to "earn" respect, you can't demand it here - oh you can "try"...good luck!
When I was active, my troops worked for me not because I demanded it - they were mature and knew we needed to perform together to excel and complete the mission. They performed not only out of personal pride, but because it was a team with mutual "earned" respect for each other, as well as for our country. If one of us failed, it reflected on all of us. We all pulled together and "made it work". We were only as strong as our "weakest link". I very rarely had to "demand" respect in my 21 years, and those poor fellows ended up getting discharged early.
I won't question your career - I respect that! However, I certainly didn't see alot of people advance with the sort of attitude that's projected in your "few" posts. I'll use the "Please" word...try to lighten up and enjoy the Candle Power Forums. There's alot of information here from a world wide audience and everyone has something to contribute. We look forward to your "polite" contributions and involvement!
Congrats on your career and making it to retirement! I too retired after 21 years in U.S.A.F., however never got anywhere talking to people the way you are here (reference a little demanding, eh?). You aren't in the military anymore and with these folks, you have to "earn" respect, you can't demand it here - oh you can "try"...good luck!
When I was active, my troops worked for me not because I demanded it - they were mature and knew we needed to perform together to excel and complete the mission. They performed not only out of personal pride, but because it was a team with mutual "earned" respect for each other, as well as for our country. If one of us failed, it reflected on all of us. We all pulled together and "made it work". We were only as strong as our "weakest link". I very rarely had to "demand" respect in my 21 years, and those poor fellows ended up getting discharged early.
I won't question your career - I respect that! However, I certainly didn't see alot of people advance with the sort of attitude that's projected in your "few" posts. I'll use the "Please" word...try to lighten up and enjoy the Candle Power Forums. There's alot of information here from a world wide audience and everyone has something to contribute. We look forward to your "polite" contributions and involvement!
mattheww50
Flashlight Enthusiast
Well I did get off my butt and ask. Here was your reply...
From: rld
So I answered it...
"e-maol me and I will tell you more."
So I did....
"e-maol me and I will tell you more."
OK... tell me more.
To which you replied
I am doing you a favor. What is it you want me to do for you?
----- Original Message -----
From: mattheww weber
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 5:57 PM
Subject: Kumkang Light
"e-maol me and I will tell you more."
OK... tell me more.
I'd like remind you that you were the one who said contact me for the details. So far I have asked twice, and all that I get from you is attitude.
I don't think you have the lights, and having done business in Korea extensively, the only thing your attitude will do is cause a mountain of red tape to be dumped you.
I don't know who you are trying to impress, but obviously trying to get any information out of you is a complete waste of time.
From: rld
So I answered it...
"e-maol me and I will tell you more."
So I did....
"e-maol me and I will tell you more."
OK... tell me more.
To which you replied
I am doing you a favor. What is it you want me to do for you?
----- Original Message -----
From: mattheww weber
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 5:57 PM
Subject: Kumkang Light
"e-maol me and I will tell you more."
OK... tell me more.
I'd like remind you that you were the one who said contact me for the details. So far I have asked twice, and all that I get from you is attitude.
I don't think you have the lights, and having done business in Korea extensively, the only thing your attitude will do is cause a mountain of red tape to be dumped you.
I don't know who you are trying to impress, but obviously trying to get any information out of you is a complete waste of time.
Catdaddy
Enlightened
Don't waste any more time on this.
Hello all,
Many of you have e-mailed me on the subject, but it really is as I posted here on the board.
I'll be a bit more detailed this time.....
As I mentioned earlier, all of us will have to wait a while to get one of these lights. Please be patient.
KumKang still needs to go thru all the legal matters in Korea of creating a new company(Polarion). It's now entirely up to the government when they will issue a license.
After that, they need to sort out all the international trade laws concerning exports to the US(which they had never done before). Thus, this will depend on the speed of the U.S. goverment, which probably recieves hundreds of requests from hundreds(if not thousands) of companies every single day!
Also, after everything is settled legally, they then have to sort out the business side of it. I.e. how many will they send over to the US, who will sell them, what the cost will be(remember to officially sell it here they need to pay duties), what kind of warranty will they give, how will they sevice products, etc.....
As you see, there's a bunch of hurdles they need to get over as of yet. All of this takes time, and nobody can correctly predict when the licenses will be given(it's more up to the governments, both ours and theirs). This is why I said I should have more details in the future(possibly the middle of the forth quarter = winter).
I know sometimes it is frustrating to wait, but what else can we do?
Please rest assured that I will post info as soon as I know.
Thanks.
Many of you have e-mailed me on the subject, but it really is as I posted here on the board.
I'll be a bit more detailed this time.....
As I mentioned earlier, all of us will have to wait a while to get one of these lights. Please be patient.
KumKang still needs to go thru all the legal matters in Korea of creating a new company(Polarion). It's now entirely up to the government when they will issue a license.
After that, they need to sort out all the international trade laws concerning exports to the US(which they had never done before). Thus, this will depend on the speed of the U.S. goverment, which probably recieves hundreds of requests from hundreds(if not thousands) of companies every single day!
Also, after everything is settled legally, they then have to sort out the business side of it. I.e. how many will they send over to the US, who will sell them, what the cost will be(remember to officially sell it here they need to pay duties), what kind of warranty will they give, how will they sevice products, etc.....
As you see, there's a bunch of hurdles they need to get over as of yet. All of this takes time, and nobody can correctly predict when the licenses will be given(it's more up to the governments, both ours and theirs). This is why I said I should have more details in the future(possibly the middle of the forth quarter = winter).
I know sometimes it is frustrating to wait, but what else can we do?
Please rest assured that I will post info as soon as I know.
Thanks.
mattheww50
Flashlight Enthusiast
Let me give you a little background on what you need to do to sell in the USA. In general you want to register the trademark. That's no big deal.
The product plugs into the wall, so in many locales,in order to make it legal, you have to get the product blessed by an Internationally recognized safety agency. In North America there are 3 of them. UL, CSA and ETL. That means UL or ETL listed status in the USA, CSA or UL in Canada. If you don't have that, it is a huge liability problem. As a device which utilizes High voltage, in order to manage the product liabliity issues, you have to achieve UL, CSA or ETL listed status. That is a major pain. For example your AC adapter has to survive (and not leak) when 1200V is applied to the power cord (Hi-POT test, and failures are often spectacular)
Since the device uses electronics, you have to go out on an FCC certified test range, and verify conformance as an Class A (Commercial Device), or Class B (residential device) standards for conducted and/or radiated emissions.
This is more of a problem then it seems, since most of HID applications in the power class are automotive, and they are exempt from the standards. So a ballast/igniter that works just fine in a vehicle, may require substantial re-engineerig in a non-automotive application.
In general you also do a patent search and a trademark search to make sure you aren't going to run into problems. The classic one is that you don't control one of the trademarks you are using in the country you are trying to export too.
Having been through the exercise with several products that were UL listed, UL recognized, or ETL listed, and certified as FCC class A conforming, it is an amazingly slow and painful process. If you have made some bad choices, it can go from merely slow to excruciating. If you haven't been through the process before, the first few products are downright painful. For example if the Ballast is a UL recognized part, as long as your use is within the recognized use, that is the end of it. If it isn't, there are literally thousand of dollars in tests, and months to carry them out to make sure it meets the requisite safety requirements. Your learn real quick to try to find recognized components and use them wherever possible to prevent the agencies from spending horrendous amounts of time and your money going down those blind alleys. Even trivial things cause you trouble. We had to stop shipping some of our products with power cords, because most 240 power cords aren't UL recognized. The choice was to stop shipping them, or spend several thousand dollars getting each potential supplier approved, and product tested. Since there are about a dozen kinds of 240V plugs, the costs were absurd. Our local dealer supplied local power cords instead.
In addition, you have to agree to random inspections of the facilities, and also allow the production systems to be audited on a regular basis. Any changes in the safety critical components you use must be approved by the relevant agency. At inspection time, UL will actually verify that the parts you are using match the documentation. If the manufacturer alters the product, say updates it from 123456-A to 123456-B, you have update your documents as well, and pay UL to update their records, as well as establish that 123456-B also has listed or recognized status.
Nothing special, just time consuming and painful. ETL,CSA and UL all maintain offices in Korea to carry out the inspections and related work. We chose to use ETL at the end because they could also as a result of the same inspection, if we were careful about the documentation, could give us CE and TUV status (European conformance)
In short, this is a slow,expensive, messy and painful process. You usually hire a consultant who from previous experience knows what it is going to take to get approval, and will advise you on manufacturing techniques, parts selection, and test procedures to minimize the amount of re-work you have do to get approval status.
The product plugs into the wall, so in many locales,in order to make it legal, you have to get the product blessed by an Internationally recognized safety agency. In North America there are 3 of them. UL, CSA and ETL. That means UL or ETL listed status in the USA, CSA or UL in Canada. If you don't have that, it is a huge liability problem. As a device which utilizes High voltage, in order to manage the product liabliity issues, you have to achieve UL, CSA or ETL listed status. That is a major pain. For example your AC adapter has to survive (and not leak) when 1200V is applied to the power cord (Hi-POT test, and failures are often spectacular)
Since the device uses electronics, you have to go out on an FCC certified test range, and verify conformance as an Class A (Commercial Device), or Class B (residential device) standards for conducted and/or radiated emissions.
This is more of a problem then it seems, since most of HID applications in the power class are automotive, and they are exempt from the standards. So a ballast/igniter that works just fine in a vehicle, may require substantial re-engineerig in a non-automotive application.
In general you also do a patent search and a trademark search to make sure you aren't going to run into problems. The classic one is that you don't control one of the trademarks you are using in the country you are trying to export too.
Having been through the exercise with several products that were UL listed, UL recognized, or ETL listed, and certified as FCC class A conforming, it is an amazingly slow and painful process. If you have made some bad choices, it can go from merely slow to excruciating. If you haven't been through the process before, the first few products are downright painful. For example if the Ballast is a UL recognized part, as long as your use is within the recognized use, that is the end of it. If it isn't, there are literally thousand of dollars in tests, and months to carry them out to make sure it meets the requisite safety requirements. Your learn real quick to try to find recognized components and use them wherever possible to prevent the agencies from spending horrendous amounts of time and your money going down those blind alleys. Even trivial things cause you trouble. We had to stop shipping some of our products with power cords, because most 240 power cords aren't UL recognized. The choice was to stop shipping them, or spend several thousand dollars getting each potential supplier approved, and product tested. Since there are about a dozen kinds of 240V plugs, the costs were absurd. Our local dealer supplied local power cords instead.
In addition, you have to agree to random inspections of the facilities, and also allow the production systems to be audited on a regular basis. Any changes in the safety critical components you use must be approved by the relevant agency. At inspection time, UL will actually verify that the parts you are using match the documentation. If the manufacturer alters the product, say updates it from 123456-A to 123456-B, you have update your documents as well, and pay UL to update their records, as well as establish that 123456-B also has listed or recognized status.
Nothing special, just time consuming and painful. ETL,CSA and UL all maintain offices in Korea to carry out the inspections and related work. We chose to use ETL at the end because they could also as a result of the same inspection, if we were careful about the documentation, could give us CE and TUV status (European conformance)
In short, this is a slow,expensive, messy and painful process. You usually hire a consultant who from previous experience knows what it is going to take to get approval, and will advise you on manufacturing techniques, parts selection, and test procedures to minimize the amount of re-work you have do to get approval status.
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