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YEt capitalist countries thrive, while socialist fall, even if something good created there, their inventors go to capitalist countries to actually make it happen. nikola tesla, sarnoff of the RCA (came from russia) Sikorski, also came from russia, and hundreds more, they build their enterprises here, not there. All the major enterprises that affect the whole world are created by capitalists, show me great inventions from socialist countries. i can not think of a single one. why do their bright minds get nowhere, or in gulags, and those who come here especially basically create the modern world.
You originally claimed capitalism leads to innovation. Now you're admitting that lots of great inventions came out of socialist or communist countries (which is true). Yes, many inventions had to be taken to capitalist countries to reach the masses, but that's where capitalism shines-making/distributing stuff efficiently. Nobody disputes that. It's hard to motivate workers in a socialist country where they'll get the same things whether they work hard or not. It's also hard to motivate them in a capitalist country if they don't have a stake in the company (i.e. they make more if the company makes more).
It is really what they want you to think, a bunch of entitled lazy socialists that modern education system creates in last 30 years do not make this country better. just look around.
Don't blame the education system. Blame the race to the bottom in terms of pay. Why should people do anything beyond the bare minimum needed to keep their jobs if there is no reward for it? We now have crony capitalism in the US. Those who already made it get to dictate the terms which keep competitors out.
 

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Don't blame the education system. Blame the race to the bottom in terms of pay. Why should people do anything beyond the bare minimum needed to keep their jobs if there is no reward for it?
Do you realize you just described socialism and why socialist countries fail. no incentives. Educational system brainwashed you that you can not become anyone unless you get born into right family, yet in real world, bezos, jobs, gates, all started from their garages, were no richer than you now, and see where they ended up, they we never told they can not,. there are countless examples like them, in capitalist countries, little to none come from socialists, of course not all are that rich, but very well off, Educational system is exactly why people think the way you do. before kids were taught to create and build, now kids are indoctrinated into exact opposite. and we see the undeniable results.

I know what i said, there are bright minds all over the world, but they only grow to their full potential in the evil capitalist west. yes there are negatives to capitalism, sure, but positives are so much greater, all depends on you.
 

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Do you realize you just described socialism and why socialist countries fail. no incentives. Educational system brainwashed you that you can not become anyone unless you get born into right family, yet in real world, bezos, jobs, gates, all started from their garages, were no richer than you now, and see where they ended up, they we never told they can not,. there are countless examples like them, in capitalist countries, little to none come from socialists, of course not all are that rich, but very well off, Educational system is exactly why people think the way you do. before kids were taught to create and build, now kids are indoctrinated into exact opposite. and we see the undeniable results.
WTF are you talking about? I was born in 1962, long before what you call the so-called age of indoctrination started. My views aren't from resigning myself to self-defeat because I wan't born into money. They're based on realism watching most of the people I know who work very hard barely getting by, and having zero free time to do stuff that matters. The only ones who have a shot are those able to start some kind of business. Not all get very wealthy, but at least you get to keep all the added value of your labor. However, most people lack the intelligence, self-discipline, or education to go into business for themselves. As an engineer, I was able to do this. After a few years as a wage slave, I thought to myself this isn't how I want to spend my next 35 or 40 years. Getting laid off gave me the push to go alone. However, if not for living at home, with my parents supporting me, that wouldn't have been possible. Not everyone has the support system to provide for them while their business is getting established.

Whatever the merits of capitalism for making/distributing products efficiently, if falls flat providing a good quality of life for the majority of the population. Quality of life is more than just lots of trinkets. It's about having free time to actually enjoy life, something wage slaves just don't have.
I know what i said, there are bright minds all over the world, but they only grow to their full potential in the evil capitalist west. yes there are negatives to capitalism, sure, but positives are so much greater, all depends on you.
The minds don't grow to their full potential under capitalism. What they create does. Remember the former USSR, and now China, had/have among the best educational systems in the world. They produce many great minds. Problem is under their system those people aren't properly rewarded for their contributions. That's why they leave.
 

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Having been born into the USSR, and spending my early years there; I can tell you that the education system (at least for children) was garbage! Most of it consisted of being taught Russian and basic math. And, that's literally it. Schools were crumbling, and falling apart. No clue where this idea came from that the USSR had a great education system in place. I sure as heck didn't experience that as a child.
 

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Having been born into the USSR, and spending my early years there; I can tell you that the education system (at least for children) was garbage! Most of it consisted of being taught Russian and basic math. And, that's literally it. Schools were crumbling, and falling apart. No clue where this idea came from that the USSR had a great education system in place. I sure as heck didn't experience that as a child.
Well, by that time a lot of the USSR was already turning to sh*t because they were trying to outspend the US on defense. It's probably more accurate to say their education system might have been great in the earlier years of the USSR. Ironically, the same is pretty much true of the US. Public schools were great when my parents attended them. They were even pretty good when I attended them (1967-1980). Many are garbage now.
 

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I asked my dad a few times, long ago how it was when he attended school in Russia. Nope, if anything, it was worse in his day! How bad was it? His dad actually encouraged him to drop out and go find full-time work. (Dad had been working part-time back then. Even though technically 12 year-olds weren't legally allowed to work. And, certainly not allowed to drive trucks! Corruption so rampant that police looked the other way.)

His dad told him to work as an apprentice, get a needed skill, and make money that way! Honestly, great advice from grand-pa whom I never met. Not sure why dad didn't give me that advice. It's advice I give to young folks nowadays. Dad became a machinist. Fantastic set of skills that helped him make money both here and in the USSR.

He told me a funny story once about driving that big box truck. Government driving instructors who were in charge of handing out driving licenses, would sometimes intentionally cause young drivers to fail. They too had a box truck which they used for testing. Would take candidates to a certain narrow alley. Very same one. And, tell them to back the truck into the loading dock. Scrap the sides = automatic fail. First time dad took his test, he aced it! They couldn't believe it! Shocked at how much "natural" driving talent he had.

Truth is, by 13 years of age, dad had backed into that very same loading dock hundreds of times! Had the experience. Nothing natural about it. I learned a valuable lesson from that story. Always be suspicious of a newbie who claims they only very recently learned how to do something. If they can suddenly do that something the same way an experienced Pro can do it.... You're dealing with an experienced Pro who lied to you about being a newbie.
 
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