2dim
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What's so unaesthetic about knurling? BTW, that Agrip sounds interesting, very expensive though. Anyone seen it in Canadian stores?
My apologies to HDS Systems
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HDS_Systems
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GarageBoy,
Actually, the EDC Basic and EDC Extreme do not use "1W" LEDs, they use "3W" LEDs for much better performance and longer battery run times.
Henry.
Actually, the EDC Basic and EDC Extreme do not use "1W" LEDs, they use "3W" LEDs for much better performance and longer battery run times.
Henry.
GarageBoy
Flashlight Enthusiast
So, all HDSes use 3Watters, with the Ultimate being driven harder?
He could be picking the better bins for the Ultimates, the ones which CAN do 60-70 lumens reliably, and use the cheaper ones for the 40-lumen lights. Given the range I've seen in Luxeons 3Ws, this doesn't seem too far out.
DharmaBum
Newly Enlightened
Hey, wimps, tape a cheese grater to your light and stop complaining about the knurling! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mecry.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/poke2.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink2.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/au.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drunk.gif
HDS_Systems
Enlightened
GarageBoy,
As Haesslich surmises, there are additional levels of sorting to ensure proper performance within our set of standards. This raises the actual cost of the LEDs that go into the EDC Ultimate and hence forces us to charge a higher price. Not every LED qualifies to be placed in an EDC Ultimate and we have to amortize the cost of those non-qualifying LEDs somewhere. The EDC Ultimate is just a more difficult product to manufacture. But I think you will find it is well worth the price.
Henry.
As Haesslich surmises, there are additional levels of sorting to ensure proper performance within our set of standards. This raises the actual cost of the LEDs that go into the EDC Ultimate and hence forces us to charge a higher price. Not every LED qualifies to be placed in an EDC Ultimate and we have to amortize the cost of those non-qualifying LEDs somewhere. The EDC Ultimate is just a more difficult product to manufacture. But I think you will find it is well worth the price.
Henry.
PeterW
Enlightened
This thread sounds like a good bit of advertising. Does anyone have one of these lights to give us all a review so we can see how it performs in practice.
Looks like a real nice bit of kit
PEterW
Looks like a real nice bit of kit
PEterW
PeterW
Enlightened
What was the battery life on max/min again??
ARC had better watch out!
PEterW
ARC had better watch out!
PEterW
HDS_Systems
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PeterW,
Battery life on the Maximum setting for the EDC Extreme (40 lumens) will be around 35 minutes and for the EDC Ultimate (60 lumens) will be around 20 minutes. At the 8 lumen setting - around level 6 and 7 respectively - you can expect around 8 hours. On the Minimum setting, you can expect over a month (720 hours) on one battery. All at constant brightness.
The EDC Extreme on level 1 has about the same output as the EDC Ultimate on level 2 - so the 40 lumens rating is actually closer to 46 lumens. We may change the literature to reflect this.
Henry.
Battery life on the Maximum setting for the EDC Extreme (40 lumens) will be around 35 minutes and for the EDC Ultimate (60 lumens) will be around 20 minutes. At the 8 lumen setting - around level 6 and 7 respectively - you can expect around 8 hours. On the Minimum setting, you can expect over a month (720 hours) on one battery. All at constant brightness.
The EDC Extreme on level 1 has about the same output as the EDC Ultimate on level 2 - so the 40 lumens rating is actually closer to 46 lumens. We may change the literature to reflect this.
Henry.
Trev1960
Newly Enlightened
I agree with the current knurling that is shown in the picture of the HDS EDC. IMO it looks great and will make the light easire to handle, it is impossable to please everyone. Just as important is how tough they are if dropped? I have heard of ARC switches being stuffed from a four foot drop, this does not sound like a rugged light to me.
I hope HDS keeps the current knurling, and if anything make it more aggressive. Currently it looks very impressive.
I hope HDS keeps the current knurling, and if anything make it more aggressive. Currently it looks very impressive.
pizzajoe62
Newly Enlightened
very nice design, especially the tail end.
my question is: if i opt to take out the clip, just like in the pix, with the 2 little open holes, will it still be water tight???
and, will the production lights be a 2 tone finish just like the pix shows?
my question is: if i opt to take out the clip, just like in the pix, with the 2 little open holes, will it still be water tight???
and, will the production lights be a 2 tone finish just like the pix shows?
Henry,
Are we still on schedule for delivery in October?? I need a Basic, 40 lumens, no frills, sounds like a great light. Just what I want!!! Any updates on progress??? Doug /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Are we still on schedule for delivery in October?? I need a Basic, 40 lumens, no frills, sounds like a great light. Just what I want!!! Any updates on progress??? Doug /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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HDS_Systems said:Any suggestions will be considered for future products.
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Hi Henry,
I know you were talking about knurling when you wrote this, but I wanted to throw in that I'd love to see a 2x123A light using a 2 stage switch like Don "McGizmo" has been making and set up so that the first position uses the programmed output and the second level is always full brightness. I'd also like to see it offered with to different user changable reflectors, one narrower and one more flood.
Thanks for listening,
-john
HDS_Systems said:Any suggestions will be considered for future products.
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Hi Henry,
I know you were talking about knurling when you wrote this, but I wanted to throw in that I'd love to see a 2x123A light using a 2 stage switch like Don "McGizmo" has been making and set up so that the first position uses the programmed output and the second level is always full brightness. I'd also like to see it offered with to different user changable reflectors, one narrower and one more flood.
Thanks for listening,
-john
nikon
Flashlight Enthusiast
Re: the knurling. I'd prefer a gentle type of knurling and less of it. I think the present degree of knurling really does detract from the appearance.
A suggestion.....why not make the light with less knurling for those who want it that way, and supply an auxillary rubber sleeve which could be pulled over the light by those who need more grip. Replacement sleeves could be made available and they would help protect the finish of the light.
A suggestion.....why not make the light with less knurling for those who want it that way, and supply an auxillary rubber sleeve which could be pulled over the light by those who need more grip. Replacement sleeves could be made available and they would help protect the finish of the light.
I kind of like the idea of a replaceable rubber sleeve. I first starting thinking about this quite a while back with the SL Scorpion. The light felt great in the hand, but the problem was that if the rubber was damaged, it impacted the function of the light (allows dirt and water to get in). It seemed to me the best thing was to carve out a little "inlay" section and lay rubber in there. That way it wouldn't look like an add on, but it also wouldn't impact the function of the light if it got damaged. The other good thing about a rubber part is that it would make it much nicer if you need to hold the light in your teeth.
-john
-john
THE_dAY
Flashlight Enthusiast
i remember reading somewhere that Henry said there will be serial numbers
2dim
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nikon said:
Re: the knurling. I'd prefer a gentle type of knurling and less of it. I think the present degree of knurling really does detract from the appearance.
A suggestion.....why not make the light with less knurling for those who want it that way, and supply an auxillary rubber sleeve which could be pulled over the light by those who need more grip. Replacement sleeves could be made available and they would help protect the finish of the light.
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The knurling could look a little more stylish I guess, perhaps by leaving a few clear gaps, but the rubber sleeve idea I've tried with my Streamlights and Surefires. After almost continuous use for more than an hour, one battery closest to the head got stuck in the Streamlight three AA Luxeon Star, I think maybe due to heat retention. The company immediately gave me another one, saying the bicycle inner tube I used shouldn't be a problem, still it's something to think about. Rubber bands may be a better idea, functionally at least. Nether is too tasty though...
BTW, I'm considering an Ultimate and also possibly organizing a group buy, so long as being stuck here in the Great White North does not prevent it somehow. Anyone who may be interested, whatever their HDS light choices, can PM to discuss further.
My main personal concern with these products is that they match the ruggedness and quality of Arcs in every respect. Secondary would be moddability, additional options such as AA barrels and readily accessible customer service, of course. Not wanting to cause offensiveness towards anyone, but something will have to eventually replace Arc if they really and truly will no longer be producing flashlights. That means the equivalent or better in terms of size and versatility, as well.
nikon said:
Re: the knurling. I'd prefer a gentle type of knurling and less of it. I think the present degree of knurling really does detract from the appearance.
A suggestion.....why not make the light with less knurling for those who want it that way, and supply an auxillary rubber sleeve which could be pulled over the light by those who need more grip. Replacement sleeves could be made available and they would help protect the finish of the light.
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The knurling could look a little more stylish I guess, perhaps by leaving a few clear gaps, but the rubber sleeve idea I've tried with my Streamlights and Surefires. After almost continuous use for more than an hour, one battery closest to the head got stuck in the Streamlight three AA Luxeon Star, I think maybe due to heat retention. The company immediately gave me another one, saying the bicycle inner tube I used shouldn't be a problem, still it's something to think about. Rubber bands may be a better idea, functionally at least. Nether is too tasty though...
BTW, I'm considering an Ultimate and also possibly organizing a group buy, so long as being stuck here in the Great White North does not prevent it somehow. Anyone who may be interested, whatever their HDS light choices, can PM to discuss further.
My main personal concern with these products is that they match the ruggedness and quality of Arcs in every respect. Secondary would be moddability, additional options such as AA barrels and readily accessible customer service, of course. Not wanting to cause offensiveness towards anyone, but something will have to eventually replace Arc if they really and truly will no longer be producing flashlights. That means the equivalent or better in terms of size and versatility, as well.
jtice
Flashaholic
The overal shape of the light is good,
I like the tail, it should feel good in your hand when used in "cigar" mode.
But, the knurling needs alot of work.
I assume that is just a proto anyway, but I really dont like the completely knurled head.
Kurling is a great way to give a light more character and "shape".
Just knurling all of the head like that doesnt look good.
At any rate, from what I have heard about these lights, they should be very nice, and meet the standards we have some to know from another company, I think you know who I mean.
Although, I still have mixed feelings about that whole situation, I am staying open to these new HDS lights.
Look forward to see what comes of this...
-John
I like the tail, it should feel good in your hand when used in "cigar" mode.
But, the knurling needs alot of work.
I assume that is just a proto anyway, but I really dont like the completely knurled head.
Kurling is a great way to give a light more character and "shape".
Just knurling all of the head like that doesnt look good.
At any rate, from what I have heard about these lights, they should be very nice, and meet the standards we have some to know from another company, I think you know who I mean.
Although, I still have mixed feelings about that whole situation, I am staying open to these new HDS lights.
Look forward to see what comes of this...
-John
