sigsour
Newly Enlightened
It is advertised on the Jetbeam site as stainless but the bezel is Aluminum. Does everyone with a V4 light have this?
My Jetbeam M1X V4 bezel is not stainless
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Fusion_m8
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I just tested the bezel on my v4 with a magnet, and it seems made of aluminium, not steel.
I doubt there will be any significant repercussions on Jetbeam regarding this do-do.
I doubt there will be any significant repercussions on Jetbeam regarding this do-do.
AbnInfantry
Newly Enlightened
That's not entirely correct. I just checked several knife blades made with stainless steels (VG10, SG2, ATS-34, ATS-55, CPM110V, ZDP189, H1, 14C28N) and a magnet attached very strongly to them. A magnet attached less strongly to the body of my stainless Maratac AA flashlight.
According to physlink.com: "[SIZE=-1]A basic stainless steel has a 'ferritic' structure and is magnetic. These are formed from the addition of chromium and can be hardened through the addition of carbon (making them 'martensitic') and are often used in cutlery. However, the most common stainless steels are 'austenitic' - these have a higher chromium content and nickel is also added. It is the nickel which modifies the physical structure of the steel and makes it non-magnetic."[/SIZE]
Rocketman
Enlightened
Ah... excuse, but stainless steel is made from steel which is an alloy of iron and therefore ferromagnetic, that is, it's atoms reside in a lattice which align themselves with the magnetic field they reside within.
I do not understand why [personal attack text removed
].Edit: Actually, some stainless steel is in fact non ferromagnetic, I wasn't aware of that.
"There are different types of stainless steels: when nickel is added, for instance, the austenite structure of iron is stabilized. This crystal structure makes such steels non-magnetic..."
So, does it look like stainless steel?
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Saint_Dogbert
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The biggest giveaway is the weight. It should be obvious just by holding the bezel whether it is aluminum or steel. Also, testing the hardness would be another way - try to scratch it with a knife blade.
BugOutGear_USA
Enlightened
Nothing has changed as far as we know and a quick test here shows that the SS bezels from the very first M1X V1 is 1.1 oz. The weight on the current SS bezel is .9, however there is less material on the later bezels. Both bezels are equal in scratch resistance. It is our opinion that these bezels are in fact SS as stated.
As pointed out above, a magnet test does not determine is something is SS or not. The higher Nickel content is a factor. Knife steels may have higher chromium/carbon, which would make it magnetic.
Regardless, to ease your concerns we have contacted Jetbeam for clarification. If anyone has any other questions, please feel free to contact us at the toll free number below.
Regards,
Flavio
BugoutGearUSA.com
JETBeam USA
888-221-5498
As pointed out above, a magnet test does not determine is something is SS or not. The higher Nickel content is a factor. Knife steels may have higher chromium/carbon, which would make it magnetic.
Regardless, to ease your concerns we have contacted Jetbeam for clarification. If anyone has any other questions, please feel free to contact us at the toll free number below.
Regards,
Flavio
BugoutGearUSA.com
JETBeam USA
888-221-5498
Fusion_m8
Flashlight Enthusiast
I unscrewed the bezel on my M1Xv4 and it feels too dense to be aluminium. Its stainless steel, not the low grade type thats mostly steel with a little bit of chromium and nickel. This feels pretty hardcore-resist-corrosion-in-the-ocean type of stainless steel.
WOW:thumbsup:
WOW:thumbsup:
I'm not too familiar with your user name, but that looks suspiciously like the dreaded PERSONAL ATTACK!
I suggest you try to stick a magnet on a stainless steel sink and see what happens, usually a magnet won't stick there. Same thing for stainless steel muffler guards and the like on big trucks.
Good answer, Flavio, and I'm sure the answer from the JetBeam home office will be that the bezels are still stainless steel, but perhaps a little thinner to save a few cents.
Fusion_m8
Flashlight Enthusiast
My cheap DX magnets stuck to the side of my stainless steel kitchen sink... not as strong as the fridge door, but hey...it stuck! Didn't happen with the stainless steel M1Xv4 bezel though... not enough ferrite in it I guess...
Rocketman
Enlightened
LOL. Not enough nickel in it, I guess.
Dude, you took a picture of a stainless steel sink with magnets stuck to it.
In the name of science? Funniest thread yet.
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Edit: I mean, too much nickel in it, I guess. I'm tired. Wish I could attach a picture of my face with magnets stuck to it.
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Fusion_m8
Flashlight Enthusiast
Yeah...it was either the kitchen sink or the toilet bowl....:sick2:
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LOL. Not enough nickel in it, I guess.
Dude, you took a picture of a stainless steel sink with magnets stuck to it.
In the name of science? Funniest thread yet.
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Yes, if you take a surgical instrument or any higher end stainless steel a magnet will not stick noticeably. You take that $5 rambo knife you picked up 10 years ago and a magnet will stick all over it, although it proudly declares itself 440 stainless or whatever. All metals even the same "recipe" from batch to batch vary some. The metal on your light, like all metal, is melted and mixed specifically with other metal and materials to make the final product have certain properties suitable for the end product, and to rid the base metal of natural impurities. Now, I am sure there are thousand of trademarked "recipes" that would appear identical to almost anyone if looked at, especially after machining and polishing. So before judging the quality of the light and the manufacturers choice of material you need to learn what it is made out of, its properties, and trade offs to similarly priced metals available and their properties. And this would be all relative to the manufacturers idea of what the bezels properties should be, with the whole $ thing thrown in, and what you think the bezel should be. Thats just me though....:shrug:
McAllan
Enlightened
It's correct that some "stainless" steel types are magnetic. Like the ones used for knife blades. The reason is that if made of the non-magnetic type it wouldn't make a blade which keep it's sharpness for very long.
IMHO they're however not "real" stainless steel and you can in fact you can relatively easy give them rust stains. Just look at your "stainless" diner knifes in your kitchen drawer if you have a dish washer. The IMHO only real stainless steel types are austenite types such as the classic 18/8 aka 304 and A2.
A better alloy is the 316 aka A4 type which you really should take as granted for a device like a high end luxury flashlight - even though the classic 18/8 is very fine too (price wise is should not be a big difference).
IMHO they're however not "real" stainless steel and you can in fact you can relatively easy give them rust stains. Just look at your "stainless" diner knifes in your kitchen drawer if you have a dish washer. The IMHO only real stainless steel types are austenite types such as the classic 18/8 aka 304 and A2.
A better alloy is the 316 aka A4 type which you really should take as granted for a device like a high end luxury flashlight - even though the classic 18/8 is very fine too (price wise is should not be a big difference).
kengps
Flashlight Enthusiast
Not to worry.....Just complain to Jetbeam...They'll send you a new spec sheet that specifies "Aluminum". Seems to be their fix for everything they mess up. Revise the instructions, specs, etc.
Indeed, the OP is right. Version 3 and 4 doesnt have a quality stainless steel bezel anymore, they replaced it with some sort of metal which is lighter than ss and looks like its been casted, not machined like the ss version.
I dont know if the latest version of bezel is as strong as ss but its deff a minus from the design point of view.
Aside from this obvious attempt to cut down the manufacture price, theres good news too for the owners of the 3rd and 4th generation: they changed the front glass with a quality, crystal clear one that is a real improvement compared to the old one from versions 1 and 2 which was not only greenish but not so transparent as well.
Im providing this info due to the fact that ive owned 3 versions of M1X so far and all of the above were facts ive noticed myself.
All bein said, enjoy your M1X, its a really good, dependable light.
I dont know if the latest version of bezel is as strong as ss but its deff a minus from the design point of view.
Aside from this obvious attempt to cut down the manufacture price, theres good news too for the owners of the 3rd and 4th generation: they changed the front glass with a quality, crystal clear one that is a real improvement compared to the old one from versions 1 and 2 which was not only greenish but not so transparent as well.
Im providing this info due to the fact that ive owned 3 versions of M1X so far and all of the above were facts ive noticed myself.
All bein said, enjoy your M1X, its a really good, dependable light.
sigsour
Newly Enlightened
I did not start this out to bash Jetbeam in any way as I think this light is freakin awesome. I do like shiny stainless bezels 
like some of the older versions and I just cant tell if this is stainless or not from the brushed finish. I also thought that all stainless steels were magnetic so I did learn something new. If anybody does know for sure I would like to know if it is or not.
like some of the older versions and I just cant tell if this is stainless or not from the brushed finish. I also thought that all stainless steels were magnetic so I did learn something new. If anybody does know for sure I would like to know if it is or not.I also thought my M1X bezel was too light to be stainless steel, but I didn't do any testing to confirm or refute my suspicions. The color of the metal is also more like aluminum than stainless steel. My cynicism has grown over the years with "stainless" being used to mean anything that doesn't rust (e.g., plastic, aluminum, ceramic, etc.).
I also recently bought the JetBeam limited edition titanium TC-R3 which seemed attractive because of the design and what I presumed would be a strong but light body. JetBeam obviously exercised considerable discretion with this "titanium" alloy because it is so heavy that it feels more like stainless steel contining a lot of lead. It's too heavy for my flashlight display shelf, so maybe it will end up as a very pretty $280 "doorstop queen."
I also recently bought the JetBeam limited edition titanium TC-R3 which seemed attractive because of the design and what I presumed would be a strong but light body. JetBeam obviously exercised considerable discretion with this "titanium" alloy because it is so heavy that it feels more like stainless steel contining a lot of lead. It's too heavy for my flashlight display shelf, so maybe it will end up as a very pretty $280 "doorstop queen."
