My Quick SureFire Titan Review

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November 06th, 2007 @ 10:30 -- My (2) SureFire Titan lights are delivered by our UPS man. He knows us so well, we're on a first name basis.

Unit #1 -- Serial Number 0197.
Unit #2 -- Serial Number 0425.

As the hours, days and hopefully weeks progress, I'll add more comments and opinions to this post. I've had these less than an hour, so I can only give you my initial impressions. So, in order, here they are.

1-- Too much fluff in the packaging. For Pete's sake, it's only a flashlight. A smaller, packaging would have been nice.

2-- Wow, this is a pretty large light for it only being a 1xCR2 version. It has to be the largest CR2 light I've ever owned.

3-- Hmmm, feels pretty heavy. My FF-II, Ion and Peak in the 1xCR2 configuration feel much liter to me.

4-- Nice lanyard attachment point. I like the way it spins and it allows a nice little groove, just in case I want to ghetto-up this $500 light with a glow O-Ring.

5-- Let's see how much trouble it is to detach the lanyard cap from the light itself. Press, press, a bit more press. There, that wasn't too bad. Oh look, one of those tripod-attachment points. That's a great idea, although I wonder why SureFire just didn't make that the mechanism to attach the lanyard cap. OK, let's put the cap back on the light, so I don't lose it. Position, push, push some more. Damn, that's not going on to well. Let's take it back off and try again. Wait, it's stuck and won't come off or go on. Twist a tad, push, pull, pull, twist, pull. There we go, it's off again. Line it up real good, push, lift a bit, push some more, give a slight twist. Finally, it's back on. I'm not sure I want to attempt removing that again anytime soon.

6-- Let's take a gander at the unit itself. It feels good in my hand, it's a bit heavy for its size. Nice clean lens and reflector. The reflector appears to be very slightly orange-peeled. What's this? That lens doesn't appear to sit very far back in the bezel. There's not much space between the the bezel rim and the lens that sits within it. I'd prefer it to be recessed a bit more. If I drop this light and assuming it lands bezel first, I'm concerned the impact will cause lens damage. My intent was to EDC the Titan, so I can guarantee it's going to get dropped, kicked, ran over, etc.

7-- OK, time to fire-up this bad-boy. The UI is what sold me on this light. Understanding this light is brand-new, I'm hoping the turning loosens up a bit. It is not a smooth buttery feeling while cranking. It feels gritty and tight and you can feel the feedback in your fingers, almost like there's debris in the threads. It could also be the bezel-to-battery-tube rub I guess too. Other than that, the interface works as advertised. Turn a bit and it lights, keep turning and it gets brighter. As it relates to the beam, it's certainly not the best I've seen, although it's not bad. The tint appeared on the very slightest side of the blueish scale to me and yes, I'm a white wall hunter, so get over it. Comparing the beam of both Titans to my Novatac, the blueish tint appeared more pronounced. As far a activation of the light, one unit requires slightly more of a turn than the other. On both units, I would have preferred to see a bit more turn required to fire the light. I'm concerned with the potential of the light engaging while being carried, although it would be so low, any batter drain would probably be unmeasurable.


So, what's my conclusion? I don't have one yet, although if you sense a tone of slight disappointment in my tone, that's probably accurate. Keep in mind, that as I'm reviewing this light, cost/price is an influence, even though I may not state it outright. I'll have a better assessment tonight, after darkness. I'll continue to update this 1st message and reference those updates in this thread.


Update #1 - Some comparative pictures. I forgot to include the Ion.

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Smooth turning is a reasonable expectation for such a light. I, too, hope it will loosen up some.
 
TiN - Thanks for an honest and frank first assessment. Heck - I expect a fair amount out of a light that nears $100, certainly one over that price point, and SF has a reputation which leads to certain expectations. I'll be very interested to see how you grow to like the light with some time.

The pictures of the size compared to the LF5, LOD and a few others was interesting. It is smaller than a lot of lights but it would be interesting to see it compared to a Peak Pacific CR2, a CR2 Ion or a Jil JCR2 for comparison purposes. It does look larger and heavier than any of those lights.
 
I get mine tomorrow so this is somewhat disappointing news. I know you had extremely high expectations for this light and hopefully after having it awhile it'll show it's strengths.

Something of this price range can make a person's expectations so high that it's hard not to be initially disappointed.

It'll be my turn tomorrow. Hopefully I won't be disappointed.
 
This apears to be the first "honest" account to me regarding this light.
I am still pretty stoked about mine comming pretty soon but i figured there must be some issues.
I do not want to convince myself that this is the greatest light ever just because of the heafty price tag.
As long as it comes on when needed and it is covered by a bulletproof warrany by a company that does not go belly up .........

I can not wait to see futher observations by nascar

my 2 cents
 
Hi Nascar,

I am glad that you got yours, still waiting for mine to come in.
Grittiness is normal for anything made out of Titanium. My titanium folding knives all show grittiness and for a very long time.
Do a search on CPF; people have used all kind of ways to smoothen it up. Toothpaste is one. J
 
Nice review, my initial impressions are similar.

Although the light is pricey, I don't think it is way overpriced. The swivel attachment is okay, but looks like it was costly to manufacture. It takes too much visual alignment and care to accomplish it in the dark. I wouldn't mind a simpler and less costly arrangement.

The finish is industrial; I did expect it to be a bit more shiney, polished, or a brighter machined finish - more jewel-like. It does look durable, but almost appears cast.

While I wish the light were more jewel-like, at the same time I wish the packaging was more military and less "Sharper Image". Something that hinted at the light's pedigree.

The UI was also my main interest. It works well as advertised, and is bright enough for the tasks you'd use a small light for. However the grittiness is a slight disappointment. Hopefully the aluminum version will remedy the thread feel and lower the price by at least 1/2.

I particularly like the directional grooves on the lower part of the body. They are cut so they bite one way or another, and really help with grip when operating the light.

Overall it does not acheive the hand-built level of polish exhibited by CPF's finest, but I can see that it was costly to manufacture and offers some novel features. Hats off to SF though for a very good effort offering a unique light targeted at collectors and flashaholics. We are admittedly a tough sell, and a picky crowd. If I go back to before my jaded flashaholic mentality, this would have been a light to end all lights.
 
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I don't have mine yet, but for the grittiness, try some deoxit. That stuff is
amazing. TIN, I'll send you a tube if you like to try it out! :)
 
Thanks for the DeOxIt tip, 4sevens. I need to try that on another Ti light I have.
 
I don't have mine yet, but for the grittiness, try some deoxit. That stuff is
amazing. TIN, I'll send you a tube if you like to try it out! :)

I don't have mine too...but thanks for this review :)
David...I am interested by your offer ;)

Each time a light is delayed..each time we are disappointed... maybe it is better to wait no more than one month...because our expectations are proportional to the time waited ;)
 
4sevens,

I tried some Deoxit and it might be marginally easier to turn, but the grittiness remains.

Feels like there's an O-ring that is keeping the Deoxit from reaching the threads. I almost think the light would need to be disassembled, the threads lubed with grease, and reassembled for the ideal fix.
 
Thenks for the feedback and comments. As far as lubing this bad-boy, that may prove to be a difficult one. I don't see an easy means to do so. As far as I can tell, the bezel assembly wasn't meant to be a user serviceable item. I know that someone much more technical than I will be able to eventually tell us how we'd those this, but until then, I can't lube them.
 
It sounds like SF took the same approach with the Titan as the U2's selector ring in regards to lubrication...:thinking:
 
It sounds like SF took the same approach with the Titan as the U2's selector ring in regards to lubrication...:thinking:

Somewhat, however it wasn't too difficult to remove the adjusting ring on the U2. On the Titan, I see very little openings, which are probably invovled with getting the bezel-end off.
 
I have litteraly poored Nanolube in mine and twisted it 1000`s of times.No go as far as getting rid of the grittyness.

The problem is getting the lube where it is supposed to go as the head cannot be taken off.So i asume there is a o-ring stopping the lube from getting in and stopping the grits from getting out.

Another thing is,i dont think this thing is threaded on.There are 3 small holes with what seem to be a spring mounted locking pin or locking ring with 3 notches to hold the head in place.

While this is an awsome light which i love.
I was hoping for a little more though out design.Atleast a polished inner area to make the turning smooth.
On second thought this may be a part of the design,which allowes the light not to turn on in the pocket or elsewhere without you wanting it.

The Grittiness can also be a part of the mechanical design of the TITAN,maybe its not Ti against Ti we hear,maybe its metal brushes of some kind that touches the electronics to allow for its operation?

I still think it should have been lubed better from Surefire,especially when we cannot acess the light to do so ourselves.

On my light there is also a part of the tailcap O-ring showing,its not possible to screw it all the way down.Anyone else have this problem.
Maybe its supposed to be like this.
There is no groove under the O-ring for it to be properly seated like on other Surefires.


Im wearing mine around my neck as we speak :grin2:
But i am tempted to send it in to Surefire for a fix...to bad my speaking English sucks..Hard to talk to CS that way.



Benny
 
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