Need a light... TK-10/11, Jet III Pro, others?

jzahra

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Hey everyone!

I've been reading around the site for the last few hours trying to settle on which light will best suit my needs. All I'm finding is that there are a lot of good lights, and there is a huge wealth of information, so I'm having a hard time coming up a conclusion. Maybe you guys can help!

I'm a stage lighting designer, so I could use a light that has a long, bright throw of about 100 ft., as well as a nice smooth transition from the center (I have a mini-mag now, and the dark "blind" rings just outside of the center really kill me). I will also use this in more general situations, as I'm also an IT technician, so it can double as an every day light. For that reason, something with variable output would be great.

I'd like to spend under $100. My buddy just bought a Fenix TK-10 and loves it. I also see they have the TK-11 for not much more, and some of you really like the JetBeam JET III Pro. What do you think would best suit my needs? If you can think of something I haven't found, let me know.

PS I can forsee myself dropping a light off a catwalk, sending it falling ~50 feet to the ground, so I'm wondering if anything in this price range will be that durable. If not, I'll probably end up tying it off.

Also, any recommendations on recharable batteries/recharger that I can use, which will yeild long runtimes?

Thanks in advance!!
 
Welcome to CPF, jzahra.

You've mentioned some LED lights, and from what you say a LED light may be most likely to suit you, so I'm going to move your thread into the LED section.

You will also find good and objective advice about lights in the Review section, where selfbuilt, UnknownVT and others have reviewed and compared the most popular ones. I recommend those threads to you.
 
so I could use a light that has a long, bright throw of about 100 ft., as well as a nice smooth transition from the center (I have a mini-mag now, and the dark "blind" rings just outside of the center really kill me).

Sounds like the TK10 to me, but it doesn't work with 18650 rechargables like others.
 
Welcome to CPF, jzahra.

You've mentioned some LED lights, and from what you say a LED light may be most likely to suit you, so I'm going to move your thread into the LED section.

You will also find good and objective advice about lights in the Review section, where selfbuilt, UnknownVT and others have reviewed and compared the most popular ones. I recommend those threads to you.
Thanks, DM51! I will look around there.

Also, in case anyone else wanders into this thread, I figured I would fill out a recommendation checklist, which I saw some people asking for in other recommendation threads!

Thanks, this is a really cool site! :)


Short Essay Question: What do you intend to use this light for?
Everyday work in dark areas, as well as illuminating large areas as distances of 50-100 ft. The light should be most useful in a stage environment. Also, as I mentioned in my opening post, the smoother the light, the better!

0) What Region/Country/State will the light be purchased in?

_X__I will be mail-ordering or buying online, so this doesn't matter.
_X__I am in North America. More precisely I am in Central Connecticut.
____I am in South America. More precisely I am in _______________.
____I am in Europe. More precisely I am in _______________.
____I am in the Middle East. More precisely I am in _______________.
____I am in Africa. More precisely I am in _______________.
____I am in Asia, Japan or Micronesia. More precisely I am in _______________.
____I am in Australia. More precisely I am in _______________.

I planned to buy online, but if I can find a good light at a local retailer for a similar price and don't have to wait, I'm all about that!

1) Price Range: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :)

____I only want to pay $1-10.
____I can spend $15-30.
_X__I could spend $40-60.
_X__I am willing to spend $80-$120.
____I have no limit!

Let's say $120 max including rechargeable batteries, charger, and holster.

2) Format:

_X__I want a flashlight.
____I want a headlamp.
____I want a lantern.
____I want a portable spotlight.

3) Length:

____I don't care.
____1-2 inches. (Keychain sized)
_X__2-4 inches. (Pocket carry)
_X__4-9 inches. (Holster carry)

Long 'n skinny will go in my pocket (like my mini-mag), short and thick will go into a holster probably.

4) Width:

_X__I don't care.
____I prefer a long narrow light.
____I prefer a short wide light.

5) What batteries do you want to use? Alkaline batteries are easier to find and less expensive but don't pack as much stored energy and are don't work well in cold temperatures. Lithium batteries have long shelf life (10+ years, great for stored emergency lights) and are not as affected by cold but must be kept dry and are more expensive. Rechargeable start expensive, but if used frequently pay off quickly.

____I want common Alkaline batteries. (AA, AAA, C, D)
____I want lithium batteries. (coin cells, CR123, AAA, AA...)
_X__I want a rechargeable system. (an investment, but best for everyday use)

6) How much light do you want? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is impossible).

_X__I want to read a map, or find a light switch, in a dark room. (5-10 lumens)
____I want to walk around a generally paved area. (15-20 lumens)
____I want to walk unpaved trails. (40 lumens)
_X__I want to do Caving or Search & Rescue operations. (60+ lumens)
_X__I want to light an entire campground or dazzle an intruder. (100+ lumens)

I'm thinking 100+ but I'm not sure... think really dark stage during focusing operations.

7) Throw vs Flood: Which do you prefer, lights that flood an area with a wide beam, or lights that "throw" with a tightly focused beam? Place an "X" on the line below.

Throw (distance)------------X---------|----------------------Flood/close-up

8) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims (like some LED lights). but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries.

____20 min. (I want the brightest light for brief periods)
____60-240 min. (1-2 hours)
_X__240-360 min. (4-6 hours)
_X__360+ min. (More than 6 hours)

Low setting should allow more than 6 hours. On the higher setting, 4-6 hours would be great, but I know that may not be possible, but under 2 would not be enough, so I'll say 2-6.

9) Durability: Generally the old phrase "you get what you pay for" is very accurate for flashlights.

____Not Important (A "night-stand" light.)
____Slightly Important (Walks around the neighborhood.)
_X__Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box.)
____Critical (Police, Fire, Search & Rescue, Self-defense, Survival.)

This light will likely get dropped. :)

8) Switch Type:


_X__I don't care.
____I want a sliding switch. (Stays on until slid back.)
____I want a "clickie" switch. (Stays on until pressed again.)
____I want a momentary switch. (Only stays on while held down.)

9) Switch Location:

____I don't care.
_X__I want a push or sliding switch on the body near the head.
_X__I want a push switch on the back end of the body.
____I want a rotating head switch.
____I want a rotating end-cap switch.
____I want a remote control.

Something that doesn't require two hands.

10) Operational Modes: Check all that apply.

___A simple on-off is fine for me.
_X_I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
_X_I want multiple light levels. (some lights have 5-16 light levels.)
___I want a strobe mode. (blinks to show location.)
___I want a tactical strobe. (Flashes rapidly to disorient an opponent.)

11) Is it important whether the body is metal or plastic/composite?

____I don't care.
_X__I want a metal-bodied light.
____I want a plastic/composite light.

12) Special Needs: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Circle any below or write in your own comment(s).

____Red (night vision preserving) filter
_X__Other filter colors (Amber, Green, Blue, _________)
____Waterproof – how deep: _____________
_X__Non-reflective/dark finish (stealthy/hard to find)
____Polished silver or brightly colored finish (for easy locating)
____Corrosion resistant or hard-anodized finish
_X__"Hybrid" light (bright incandescent combined with long running LEDs)
____Built-in second (or spare) lamp or filament
_X__Belt/Jacket clip
_X__Holster
____Wrist/Neck Lanyard
____Kobuton/self defense features
____Non-sparking Intrinsically Safe (IS) for use in explosive environments

All of the above are "wants" and not "needs". When prepping for a show, the brighter, the better; however, during the show in the booth (etc.), as dim as you can go, the better, so usually we gel all of our lights blue. Also, we don't need the light to be attracting any unwanted attention! A hybrid light would be really cool... when it needs to be bright, it really needs to be bright, but 90% of the usage will be low light/long runtime. And finally, I'm not picky on how I attach it to myself, as long as something is there. The ability to do both would be a plus.
 
Greetings Izahra,
I had the TK10 and returned it for the new TK11 R2 smooth reflector, when it came out. I am thoroughly happy and extremely impressed with it. The throw is outstanding and spill beam quite ample and usable. It puts out 250 lumens on high and has a lower setting for a longer run time. It is quite robust and I believe it would take a tremendous amount of punishment, however, I always use adjustable neck lanyards I custom fashion from paracord and accessories I find at Lighthound.com (along with Fenix lights). I paid $75-80 for my Tk11 and they allow the CPF8 coupon for a discount. Also it comes with a nice holster. I have an extensive collection of flashlights and I just don't think you could go wrong with the Fenix TK11 at such a reasonable price for the exceptional performance and outstanding quality. I run mine quite well on the 17670 Li Ion rechargeable batteries. You might check out the Olight M20 Warrior, but it's more $$, and extra for a smooth reflector. Good luck and welcome to CPF. :twothumbs
 
I would suggest that you look into the Eagletac P100a2. It takes more common AA cells and will take rechargeables. General mode of 55lm should suit most of your uses, while the 195lm turbo should give you with plenty of throw. Unfortunately I think 55lm will be too bright for during-production use. 55lm is quite a lot when the lights are off and you're trying not to attract the attention of the audience. Then again, it's only $39-and-change with the CPF8 discount code.
 
I would suggest the Eagletac T10C2. It puts out about 270 lumens, so it's bright enough to use 100 feet away. It has a smoother transition from throw to flood than the Fenix TK10 does, but I'm not sure about the durability. It also has a low mode, which is 60 lumens (about the same as a maglite).
 
I was looking at the T10C2 in one of The Sun's roundup review threads. I really like the "best bang for the buck" feel of this light, but my only worry is that I'd only get 1.2 hours of use on high. A focus day can last 12+ hours, and I would hate for my light to start dying while I'm crawling around up in the catwalks above the ceiling! In comparison, the TK-11 will go 2.7 hours on a 18650 Li-Ion battery, so I'm certainly leaning in that direction right now.

The P100a2 lacks what the others have, but that is really a nice pricepoint!

Also, what options do I have for coloring lights? Would I be able to put a gel in front of the lens? That's what I usually do with my mini-mag.
 
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Hey there - I'm just curious, what do these offer that would be worth me waiting?

Thanks!


1. If you were to drop it like 50 feet (like you stated) it probably won't break to many pieces because of the built quality.

2. Can throw over 100ft (E2DL would be best choice for your needs)

3. SureFire is a USA company.

4. Lifetime Warranty

5. Drop ins are available for most of their lights.


EDIT: If im wrong about any of this, you SureFire Flasholics please correct me :cool:
 
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1. If you were to drop it like 50 feet (like you stated) it probably won't break to many pieces because of the built quality.

2. Can throw over 100ft (E2DL would be best choice for your needs)

3. SureFire is a USA company.

4. Lifetime Warranty

5. Drop ins are available for most of their lights.


EDIT: If im wrong about any of this, you SureFire Flasholics please correct me :cool:
I have to say, you make some good points - especially the lifetime warranty. However, comparing the E2DL to the TK11, it's about twice the price for just a bit more than half the output (according to the specs). That's tough to get past...
 
I have to say, you make some good points - especially the lifetime warranty. However, comparing the E2DL to the TK11, it's about twice the price for just a bit more than half the output (according to the specs). That's tough to get past...


http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=177233
(SureFire vs Fenix Thread)
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=211402
(Actual Lumens rating Thread)

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=221078
(E2DL vs TK11 R2 Thread)


Please take a Hour or 2 or 3 or 4 to read through these. All the answers

will become clearer. :tinfoil:



Holla :cool:
 
If you really need a lower-low, than I suggest the Olight M20. There are many accessories avaliable from colored filters to beam diffusers, comes with a nice holster and has a pocket clip.

If you don't "need" the lower-low, go for the Fenix TK11 R2. I just got one not that long ago, and it's a steal for the price. Awesome output/throw and a VERY solid build.
 
A throwy light in a close range use might not be very useful.

Also makesure to wear a lanyard when working on high places incase you drop the light(even though it will be tough enough to handle the drop). That way you don't have to go all the way down to get the light.

The E2DL doesn't have drop-ins. You can swap the heads though(as long as you have compatible batteries).

Do you want a smooth hotspot, a smooth transition from hotspot to spill(look for textured reflector and/or Seoul P4), or both?

How much should the target be lit up at 100 ft?(Many 1 AA lights can throw that far)

The Minimag is around 10 lumen for reference. But also remember that it takes a lot more then 2x the output for a light to seem 2x brighter.

:welcome:
 
Peta: I'm reading! :)

A throwy light in a close range use might not be very useful.

Also makesure to wear a lanyard when working on high places incase you drop the light(even though it will be tough enough to handle the drop). That way you don't have to go all the way down to get the light.

The E2DL doesn't have drop-ins. You can swap the heads though(as long as you have compatible batteries).

Do you want a smooth hotspot, a smooth transition from hotspot to spill(look for textured reflector and/or Seoul P4), or both?

How much should the target be lit up at 100 ft?(Many 1 AA lights can throw that far)

The Minimag is around 10 lumen for reference. But also remember that it takes a lot more then 2x the output for a light to seem 2x brighter.

:welcome:

As for the hotspot questions... it doesn't have to be a smooth transition, as long as I don't have dark rings just outside of the hotspot, as that's useless for me.

Let me try to answer the question about how much the target should be lit up at a long throw. The problem we often run into is we're standing under lights, but there is a problem or you're trying to identify which light is which. Because your eyes have adjusted to the light shining at you, you can't see anything at all beyond the beam of that light, which makes it impossible to see surrounding lights, or which one you're even looking at. The solution is to have a light just as bright going the other direction. So I guess it does need to be pretty bright.

I have a good reference point: my buddy was using his Fenix TK10 on stage for doing just this type of work, and this is what made me decide to buy a new light (I had been considering buying a Surefire for a long time). It was the first time I saw a Fenix light, and I have to say, it was extremely helpful for what we were doing. I think my only consideration is that it would still be alive if it got dropped a long distance (I am actually in a High School training students, who tend to have the 'dropsies' ;) ).
 
Oh, Jzahra, here's a thread you should look at; it's about the TK11 switch (Very Interesting)

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=225271
Clearly Surefire is a better build quality than Fenix. I also like buying from a US company. The same could be said about a high-end car vs. a low-end one... the question is whether one really NEEDS the high-end one, and that's really where I'm struggling. $150 is a ton of money to drop on a flashlight. Though, something I always say to my customers is: "buy a good product to last a long time instead of buying cheap products to only last a little while..."

Ahhh! Usually at this stage in researching something I'm going to buy, I simply walk into a store and buy the first thing that catches my eye. :duh2:
 
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