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Hello, i have been some what of a lurker for awhile and decided to make an account and get some advice on a flash light. I have learned that there is a VAST world of possible choices that i never knew of when it comes to flashlights, this will also be my first post! I have used my maglite xl50 for a long time and i think its about time to upgrade from being abused so much in it short life. im looking for a flashlight that is LED battery wise i had no idea there were so many different battery options nowadays..if you could recommend me a battery(i have read into the 18650 and similar but dont know a lot about them so that would be helpful). Im not a fan of the Cr123a i like rechargeable batteries as i use NIMH AA, and AAA batteries currently. From lurking i have been looking into the eagle tac lights and 4sevens to name a couple brands. I would like to stick to about the same size maybe a little longer/bigger than my current XL50 because i use it for just about everything working on the car, around the house, and outside for various things. Im looking for somewhat of a EDC but not that i would carry it all the time so a medium sized i guess would decscribe how big id like. So far from eagle tac i like the P series and the D series but i dont want a very small flashlight, also have been looking into Niteye, 4seven, and nitecore but im not too sure which are better choices. Thank you for your responses i greatly appreciate the help.:drool::sigh:


1) How would you prefer to purchase the light?


____I would like to purchase the light from a brick and mortar store. I am located in ______________.
__X__I will be mail-ordering or buying online, so this doesn't matter.


2) Budget: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :-)

____Less than $25.
____Less than $50.
_X___Less than $100.
__X__Less than $150.
____Less than $300.
____I have no limit.
____I’m flexible, tell me what you gotJ.
____Other, please specify ________


3) Format:

____I want a flashlight.
____I want a headlamp.
____I want a lantern.
____I want a dive light.
____I want a portable spotlight.


4) Flashlight-specific format/size:

____Keychain size.
____Every day carry small (2-4 inches).
__X__Every day carry medium (4-7 inches).
____Holster carry.
____Big enough to need its own travel caseJ.
____I don’t care.
____I don’t know.
____N/A


5) Emitter/Light source:

__X__LED (known for efficiency, longevity, and compactness)
____Incandescent (known for superior color rendition)
____HID (known for max output, but often at the expense of size)
____I don't know.


6) Manufacturer:

__X__I want to buy a light from a traditional mass producing manufacturer that is ready to go out of the box.
____I would consider getting a light that is pieced together (for example a “host” or flashlight body from one manufacturer, and a “drop-in” emitter from another source). Under the right circumstances, this path can provide more options to the consumer to meet specific needs, and can often be easily upgradeable as technology improves.


7) What battery type do you want to use?

__X__I intend to use alkaline batteries (AAA, AA, C, D) (disclaimer, while it does not preclude all choices, these are not recommended for many of today’s most powerful lights)
_X___I intend to use rechargeable nickel chemistry (NiCad, NiMH, NiZn)
____I intend to use lithium primary batteries (CR123, CR2, Energizer Advanced/Ultimate Lithium AA/AAA)
__X__I intend to use rechargeable lithium (li-ion) chemistry. Feel free to specify a size if you know which size you want (14500, RCR123/16340, 17500, 17670, 18650, etc.)
__X__I want a light with an integrated rechargeable battery. (Note: these choices may be very limited unless you are looking at spotlights)


8) How much genuine out the front (OTF) light do you want/need? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is impossible).

____I want to navigate a dark room or read a map (0-10 lumens).
____I want to walk around an unlit rural area (50-150 lumens).
_X___I want to illuminate my entire backyard or a campsite (150-300 lumens).
__X__I want to illuminate an entire field, the neighbor's front yard several houses down, impress my friends and neighbors, etc. (300-700 lumens).
____I want ridiculous amounts of lumens (800+ lumens).


9) Throw vs. Flood: At what distance will you be most likely to use this light? Select all that apply.

____Less than 1 yard/meter (reading, other close work)
____Less than 5 yards/meters (looking for something inside a dark shed/garage/basement)
__X__5-20 yards/meters (check out a noise in the backyard)
___X_30-50 yards/meters (I have a big backyard)
____50-150 yards/meters (I live in a very rural area/farm with wide open spaces)
____150+ yards (I want maximum throw possible)


10) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims, but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries (Measured on maximum output).

____Up to 30 minutes (I want the brightest [and potentially smallest] light for brief periods)
____30-60 minutes (I have plenty of batteries just ready to be changed)
__X__90-120 minutes (Runtime is moderately important, but still not critical)
__X__3 hours + (I critically need this light to run on max for extended periods in between battery changes/charges).


11) Durability/Usage: Generally the old phrase “you get what you pay for” is very accurate for flashlights.

____Not Important (A “night-stand” light).
____Slightly Important (Walks around the neighborhood).
__X__Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box).
__X__Critical (Police, Fire, Search & Rescue, Caving, Survival).
____I don't care.
____I don’t know.


12) Switch Type and location (choose all that apply):

____I want a forward clicky (Helpful for momentary activation and signaling).
_X___I want a reverse clicky (For use with multi-mode/level lights).
____I want a momentary switch (Predominantly for use with signaling and short bursts of momentary light only).
____I want a twisty switch (Tighten the head/tailcap to activate, and the light will stay on until the head/tailcap is loosened).
____I want a body mounted switch (near the head, like on a Maglite).
__X__I want a tail mounted switch (found on the majority of today’s high end lights).
____I don't care.
____I don’t know.
____Other, please specify____________________.


13) User Interface (UI) and mode selection. Select all that apply.

____A simple on-off with only one output level is fine for me.
____I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
____I want multiple light levels. (Some lights have 5-16 light levels.)
____I want a programmable light.
____I want a selector ring.
____I want a strobe mode. (Blinks to show location.)
____I want SOS mode.
____I want a beacon mode.
____I don’t care.
__X__I don’t know.


14)Material/Finish/Coating

____Plastic/composite body (this may limit your choices significantly).
_X___Anodized Aluminum – either type II or III (Hard Anodized) (Aluminum, specifically HA, is the most common material/finish for today’s flashlights).
____Stainless steel (durable, but much heavier than aluminum)
____Titanium (durable and nearly as lightweight as aluminum, but can be moderately to significantly more expensive).
____I don’t care.
____I don’t know.
____Other, please specify____________.


15) Special Needs/extras: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Select any below.

____Red filter (for preserving night vision).
____Other filter colors (Amber, Green, Blue, _________).
____Dedicated R/G/B secondary LEDs.
____“Hybrid” light (bright incandescent combined with long running LEDs)
____Pocket/belt clip
____Holster
____Wrist/Neck Lanyard
____Crenulated bezel
____Non-sparking Intrinsically Safe (IS) for use in explosive environments
 
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It would be helpful to know something about how you might use the light...otherwise, everyone just tells you how much they love what ever it is they have...and that that's what you should get.

:D

As many will differ on what that is, its a clue that different people value different attributes...and, you will need to define - or find, yours....to have a chance of actually selecting something that will be right for YOU.

So far, its seems you are looking for an EDC sized light, but, its not clear if you are looking for things with it, or, doing tasks with it, etc. It seems you are only looking to see ~ 50 yards or so, which is very short range for a good light now a days....especially as you indicated a budget of upt ~ $150.

For ~ $150, you could have a small light that can project a beam over 400 yards. (IE: I am unsure if you picked ~ 50 yards because, based on your maglight, you thought that was a lot/didn't know more was feasible...or because you actually don't ever need to see further than that, etc...)

On the other hand, small lights with beams that go ~ 400 yards tend to project a small tightly focused beam, essentially a dowel shaped beam of light that puts a small circle of light on a distant target.

On the OTHER other hand...you can have a pocket sized light that can light up a very large area in front of you...a flood of light that can light up the ENTIRE 50 yards quite well, but, which will not reach 400 yards...these flood an AREA with light, but do not project a tight beam a great distance.

After that, there are lights between those extremes...longer range floody beams that essentially give you various choices to compromise between a teeny laser beam dot of light that can hit things a mile away, or light up an entire room as if you'd hit the light switch, etc....or something that lights up a wide swath for ~ 200 yards, or a wider swath for 100 yards, and so forth.

Imagining what you might YOUR beam to look like...do you see a dot of light that can hit very distant targets, or a flood of light, or, something in between, as being more useful to you?


As for power...for any given light's form factor...the light can be brighter and run longer on rechargeable lithium ion cells than on alkaleaks, nimh's, or primary lithium ions, etc.

So, if a given nimh powered light puts out 700-800 lumens, the same sized rechargeable lithium ion might put out 2-3 thousand lumens, and so forth.
 
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If you want something with a little size to it go with the Jetbeam PA40. Uses AA's and has a nice beam with some throw. The EA4 is a beast, but it is a lot smaller. There is so many choices, do you want to stick with just AA or go with a 18650 light? It will be a lot easier to narrow it down for you then.
 
It would be helpful to know something about how you might use the light...otherwise, everyone just tells you how much they love what ever it is they have...and that that's what you should get.

:D

As many will differ on what that is, its a clue that different people value different attributes...and, you will need to define - or find, yours....to have a chance of actually selecting something that will be right for YOU.

So far, its seems you are looking for an EDC sized light, but, its not clear if you are looking for things with it, or, doing tasks with it, etc. It seems you are only looking to see ~ 50 yards or so, which is very short range for a good light now a days....especially as you indicated a budget of upt ~ $150.

For ~ $150, you could have a small light that can project a beam over 400 yards. (IE: I am unsure if you picked ~ 50 yards because, based on your maglight, you thought that was a lot/didn't know more was feasible...or because you actually don't ever need to see further than that, etc...)

On the other hand, small lights with beams that go ~ 400 yards tend to project a small tightly focused beam, essentially a dowel shaped beam of light that puts a small circle of light on a distant target.

On the OTHER other hand...you can have a pocket sized light that can light up a very large area in front of you...a flood of light that can light up the ENTIRE 50 yards quite well, but, which will not reach 400 yards...these flood an AREA with light, but do not project a tight beam a great distance.

After that, there are lights between those extremes...longer range floody beams that essentially give you various choices to compromise between a teeny laser beam dot of light that can hit things a mile away, or light up an entire room as if you'd hit the light switch, etc....or something that lights up a wide swath for ~ 200 yards, or a wider swath for 100 yards, and so forth.

Imagining what you might YOUR beam to look like...do you see a dot of light that can hit very distant targets, or a flood of light, or, something in between, as being more useful to you?


As for power...for any given light's form factor...the light can be brighter and run longer on rechargeable lithium ion cells than on alkaleaks, nimh's, or primary lithium ions, etc.

So, if a given nimh powered light puts out 700-800 lumens, the same sized rechargeable lithium ion might put out 2-3 thousand lumens, and so forth.

You're correct my mag lite didn't really have to power to go far so that's why i assumed that for around 50-100 maybe 150 i could get maybe a little more but with some research thus far i can obtain a light that will shine at least that or further for that price. I am not really wanting what you described as a flood light more of a light that can light up an area at a fairly good distance 50- maybe 200 yards or so which im sure most flashlights can do that easily..
Im not really looking for any specific feature on a light other than having a push button click switch on the rear of the light, and to have some switchable functions like dimmer to save power etc like my mag lite has which i find to come in handy. I do not know much about the newer rechargeable lithium batteries but they seem interesting so i would be inclined to get a light that uses those, maybe there is a thread that explains the benefits of these and differences between the various different kinds IE 18650 14500 etc..that would be helpful. The flashlight would have numerous uses, i work on cars a lot and use my flashlight to inspect stuff although i don't need the most powerful light to illuminate an engine bay i do like having a powerful light. other uses would be for my property, walking at night around the house, or looking for what the dogs are barking at etc... ultimately its gonna be a multi purpose go to light that needs to be able to have distance and light up an area good or close up. kinda mid way between a flood/focused beam. thank you for the response!
 
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If you want something with a little size to it go with the Jetbeam PA40. Uses AA's and has a nice beam with some throw. The EA4 is a beast, but it is a lot smaller. There is so many choices, do you want to stick with just AA or go with a 18650 light? It will be a lot easier to narrow it down for you then.
the thing is i am a noob when it comes to the newer power options. such as the 18650 ive merely heard of it.
 
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There might be a few hundred or so, yes.

:D

There might be so many that searching would over load you.

There are some stickies that can lead you to some good starting points though....try there first.


http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?9-Flashlight-Electronics-Batteries-Included

Sweet thank you i have found a some so far but all this is still confusing to me..guess itll take time to understand everything but for now im just gonna make it simple and use the 18650 from what ive read it seems to be top notch for now.
 
If you are going with the 18650, I would suggest the EagleTac D25LC2. Just a tad under five inches. Can tail stand and has the tail clicky. Puts out a lot of light with multiple modes. I think they are around $50. Would be a nice choice. Comes in NW also.
 
If you are going with the 18650, I would suggest the EagleTac D25LC2. Just a tad under five inches. Can tail stand and has the tail clicky. Puts out a lot of light with multiple modes. I think they are around $50. Would be a nice choice. Comes in NW also.
i think that is the one im leaning towards actually think ill pull the trigger on it
 

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