New Energizer charger and LSD batteries at Sam's Club

[davidt1]

Just picked up this Energizer charger, 4 AA batteries and 2 AAA batteries for $20 at Sam's Club. AA batteries were made in Japan. AAA batteries and charger were made in China. Package is dated 2009. Perhaps Energizer has learned from and might even have improved on the LSD technology. We will see.

 

[paulr]

I don't see anything about LSD on that. The usual marketing term for LSD these days is "pre-charged" or the like, i.e. they charge them before they ship them. That's pointless for non-LSD cells since they don't hold the charge on the store shelf.

 

[Mr Happy]

Why do you say those are LSD batteries? Nowhere does it say they are pre-charged and ready to use.

In fact the AA cells appear to be the standard Energizer NH15 2450 mAh/2300 mAh/take your pick mAh non-LSD battery. What does it say in the small print on the cell?

Also the charger is the CHCC (CHarger Crap Control) timed 360 mA x 8.5 hours battery destroyer, er, charger.

I'm sorry, but it appears you were conned. That is a package worth $15 that you shelled out $20 for.

A word to the wise: "If it says Energizer on the outside, leave it inside."

 

[Lynx_Arc]

yeah, I wouldn't touch energizer nimh anything these days. I seriously doubt they would want to bring out LSD nimh batteries to compete with their monopoly on lithium primaries.

 

[CobraMan]

I picked up 3 packages of the Energizer LSD AA batteries over the weekend - all made in Japan and on sale at Walgreens for $8.49/pack of 4. There was also a $1 off coupon good for up to 3 packages in the newspaper on Sunday as well.

The packaging on mine says that they retain their charge for up to a year (no percentage given) but they were not pre-charged nor does it say Low Self Discharge.

Figured I would give them a try as I have had decent luck with the Energizers over the years.

Cheers,
Tim

 

[Apollo Cree]

I picked up 3 packages of the Energizer LSD AA batteries over the weekend

Can you post a pic of the packaging, a link, part number, etc.?

 

[Lynx_Arc]

I picked up 3 packages of the Energizer LSD AA batteries over the weekend - all made in Japan and on sale at Walgreens for $8.49/pack of 4. There was also a $1 off coupon good for up to 3 packages in the newspaper on Sunday as well.

The packaging on mine says that they retain their charge for up to a year (no percentage given) but they were not pre-charged nor does it say Low Self Discharge.

Figured I would give them a try as I have had decent luck with the Energizers over the years.

Cheers,
Tim

those are NOT LSD batteries, they are energizer non LSD 2450s. I had to check walgreens website to make sure as I have never heard of energizer making LSD nimh cells.
HERE is the product on walgreens site
my advice is to take them back and get your money back and try and get some duraloops instead.

 

[Battery Guy]

yeah, I wouldn't touch energizer nimh anything these days. I seriously doubt they would want to bring out LSD nimh batteries to compete with their monopoly on lithium primaries.

Energizer has not yet jumped on the LSD bandwagon, but I don't think it has much to do with concern about cannibalizing their primary battery sales. I think they are watching very closely to see if consumers actually understand the advantages of LSD cells, and if Sanyo/Duracell can actually make any money on these.

Something to keep in mind: most consumer batteries are purchased by the person in the house that does the grocery shopping. They don't know squat about batteries, but if they see two different NiMH batteries on the shelf, one labeled "2500 mAh" and the other labeled "2000 mAh pre-charged low self discharge", and the LSD costs more money, which one do you think they will buy? 9 times out of 10 they are going to grab for the cheaper one with the bigger number, guaranteed.

The people reading this forum are probably in the 10-100 ppm of the population with respect to knowledge of batteries. Unfortunately for us, the battery companies have to sell product to the other 99.99% to stay in business.

 

[davidt1]

These claims seem to have all the attributes of LSD batteries.

 

[brted]

Looks for real. Their website calls these Energizer Recharge batteries and they seem to have gotten rid of the 2450's. It doesn't seem to apply to anything but AA's and their C and D cells still appear to be mostly hollow with an AA inside due to the low advertised capacity.

 

[core]

They look to me just like the 2300's that have been around for ages now. (Not LSD, if we're talking about the same ones.)

 

[Mr Happy]

I've checked all the Energizer information on the web, including for the latest "recharge" range. These are not low self-discharge batteries, they are simply "best technology" ordinary NiMH batteries.

The claims about charge retention for six months or more are not special. That performance is typical for high quality NiMH cells in good condition and might be as optimistic in real world usage as it has ever been.

 

[Lynx_Arc]

I've checked all the Energizer information on the web, including for the latest "recharge" range. These are not low self-discharge batteries, they are simply "best technology" ordinary NiMH batteries.

The claims about charge retention for six months or more are not special. That performance is typical for high quality NiMH cells in good condition and might be as optimistic in real world usage as it has ever been.

+1, their bragging about retaining more charge than their 2450s after a year is laughable IMO. my 2300s retain a "charge" after a year... problem is the amount of charge is about 5% perhaps about the time you put the batteries in a light and turn it on you realize you forgot to charge the batteries, comparing any of their batteries to their own batteries is hilarious because most in CPF trust energizer nimh like they trust a politician with a lot of money.

 

[Lynx_Arc]

.....their C and D cells still appear to be mostly hollow with an AA inside due to the low advertised capacity.

someone once took one of those apart and posted in CPF that they found a subC in them but for all practical purposes you might as well buy battery shells and AAs instead.

 

[illumiGeek]

Yea, those are just newer, lower capacity Energizers. Basically they've gone back to a more robust, lower capacity cell (since their 2500/2450 cells are garbage).

I have some old 2300 Energizers from years ago that are still servicable. All my 2500 cells were recycled pretty quickly (since they all failed within a few months).

So not LSD, but they should be better than the crap 2500/2450 cells. Personally, I'm not buying anything new that's not LSD (mostly Eneloop & "Duraloop" but I just got some Rayovac Hybrids on sale to try out).

 

[core]

I just got back from Walgreens where I got a good close look at these. They do in fact say 2300mAh. (That hadn't been mentioned in the thread yet.) But as you can see from the photos the artwork is different. So my guess is these are the exact same 2300's which have been out for 6+ months (or so?) but with different wrapping. Seems they feel the need to further distance themselves from the bunk they used to sell.

(since their 2500/2450 cells are garbage).

Hey now, I never met a 2450 I didn't like. Certain 2500 runs were garbage, sure, and now the whole line is infamous, but every one of my 3 year old 2450's are showing 95-100% capacity and holding a charge as good as any non-LSD.

By the way, is there a thread about the different 2500s with photos and test results? All my 'bad' 2500s are visually one style, while the 'accepable' ones are marked completely differently.

 

[DLF]

From the product page on Walgreens' site:

Charge before use.

*SNAP*

 

[jhellwig]

There is a difference supposedly between the new 2300;s and the old 2300's.. The new ones have only been out for a year. I got a set that have been in a wii remote since Christmas and they still operate the remote. The even still have 3 bars. I need to discharge them and see how much remains.

 

[Lynx_Arc]

There is a difference supposedly between the new 2300;s and the old 2300's.. The new ones have only been out for a year. I got a set that have been in a wii remote since Christmas and they still operate the remote. The even still have 3 bars. I need to discharge them and see how much remains.

my old 2300s I have used them 6 months later and they still were able to light up a 4AA energizer LED lantern but I am guessing they had less than 20% capacity left. If they could make cheap batteries that are not quite LSD but have half the self discharge advantage of LSD cells and a lot better price point they would be more useful on cheaper stuff occasionally used but if only a little cheaper and a little more capacity you are better off waiting for a sale on LSD cells than messing with higher capacity cells.

 

[CobraMan]

Just to confirm much of what has been stated - the packages I picked up at Walgreen's are the 2300 mAh versions. As I mentioned - they are made in Japan versus China.

I have had decent luck with the 2500 mAh Energizers over the years. Some of the first ones purchased 3 - 4 years ago have given up the ghost buy most are still going strong.

I did see the Duraloops as well at Walgreen's but at $16 for 4 I opted for spending about 1/2 as much.

Cheers,
Tim