I think we'll start seeing limited edition lights from Fenix and other Chinese companies by Christmas. Might see these in mass produced lights by spring of next year, just about the time Cree announces their 200+ lumen/watt l.e.d.s will soon be available. I'd guess in fall or winter next year we'll see the 200 lumen/watt l.e.d.s beginning to show up in high end lights.