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Nice looking machine, I would not be upset with extra clamp parts you can never have enough. Especially on CNC when you goof on the G code or don't watch your tool path close enough.

Also before you try raising the mill table, don't forget you need to access the top to adjust Z and use it as a press. Not just the X and Y handles.

65535,

Thanks, I have to admit I'm excited!

You can never have too many tools, unless you are swimming in deep water! :eek:

Can you tell me what this means: "don't forget you need to access the top to adjust Z and use it as a press" ?
 
Well if you use the mill as a drill press you need to access the 3 armed rack/pinion drive, and for milling you need to acess the z axis feed screw (I think that's what the little handle is). I just wouldn't ever want to have to reach uncomfortably high to adjust things on a mill or drill press, especially if it's running.


Just food for thought.
 
Well if you use the mill as a drill press you need to access the 3 armed rack/pinion drive, and for milling you need to acess the z axis feed screw (I think that's what the little handle is). I just wouldn't ever want to have to reach uncomfortably high to adjust things on a mill or drill press, especially if it's running.


Just food for thought.

I raised my machine a total of 8" and could use a couple more to make it more comfortable. There are no issues for me at the current height.
 
so at 220v it has fewer amps running through it. Could this be why?
I'm not sure, but believe it's probably due to voltage sag on the 120v circuit. Most are wired with #12 AWG wire, with an ampacity of 15 amps per the National Electrical code. When a 1.5 hp or 2.0 hp single phase motor is started on 120v, there's a huge current draw that causes a voltage sag (the lights dim). When that same size motor is started on 240v, half the current is drawn and the lights don't dim.
 
.......Volt times amps = watts. watts = power. By doubling the voltage you can accomplish the same amount of power with smaller wiring since the amperage is half. :thinking:

Maybe that is it, the wire size in the motor remains consistent and is capable of the worst case (110v) so at 220v it has fewer amps running through it. Could this be why? :huh:
That's part of the equation. Heat is the killer of motors. You have the first part right, since the voltage is doubled the the current is halved. With only half the current running through the motor windings, you cut the heat losses by a facrtor of four. The heating is caused by the resistance of the motor windings themselves. The power formula to be concerned with for the heating situation is not the voltage times current one already mentioned, but a different way of saying the same thing. For heating discussions, power being equal to the current squared times the resistance. Since current is squared, twice the current in a 110V wired motor will produce four times the heat of the same motor wired for 220V (theoretrically speaking of course). That additional heat will speed up the degradation of things like the varnish coating or insulation on the wires in the motor. Once you have a weak spot in the insulation, you can form a full or partial short --> more current --> more heat --> more damage ............. continued worsening untgil failure.
 
I raised my machine a total of 8" and could use a couple more to make it more comfortable. There are no issues for me at the current height.

I don't know how high to make it (newbie) but I thought a 2 x 4 box frame would be good to tie the bottom together and sturdy it for leveling feet. I'm not too concerned about reaching too high while it's running I am 6'2" and it won't be running when I'm changing the belts :eek:

The stand that comes with this machine is just a tad on the flimsy side, I think it would put considerable stress on the bottom of it if leveling feet were put directly on the outside corners of the stand. Put 600 lbs on top and the bottom looks like it would splay apart pretty easily.
 
Put 600 lbs on top and the bottom looks like it would splay apart pretty easily.

The stand, as it arrives, is wimpy. I'd be hesitant to put it on top of a 2x4 frame, unless that frame has mortise & tenon joints, or another strong joint design.

Most local welding & fab shops can add steel angle to the stand, at a price that won't break the bank. Print out the photos of Brian's stand to give them an idea of what you want.
 
Barry,

What I mean by a 2 X 4 Box is "steel box tubing" Similar to what Mirage_Man used. I am planing on welding it in a square with the front and back plane of the box extending out past the square about 1.5 - 2" to bolt on the leveling feet.

If I were to consider wood it be at least 4 X 6" bolted with long lag screws holding the square frame together or such. I am not a wood worker so steel is easier for me to wrap my head around plus it a good excuse to put the mig to work. :)

Ray
 
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2 X 4 Box is "steel box tubing"

Duh ... my bad:eek:

That's a good idea to extend the legs for levelers. My lathe is set up that way. They are extended a little too far forward, and I tripped over them a couple of times before getting used to the extensions.
 
Hehehe!

Took off work a little early and found some 4 X 2" box. I knew metals had gone up a lot lately but I haven't bought any steel for about 15-16 years Talk about sticker shock!

Draged out the Chop saw and the miller also haven't used them for 6 0r 7 years... they still work, but the Co2 was down to 500lbs.

Here is what I have so far:
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It's been a while since my last welding project but it didn't turn out too bad.

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Drilled and tapped the holes on the top side to bolt it to the bottom of the stand and holes for the levelers on the bottom. Now to find the time for a quick sand blast, primer and paint and it is ready for the load test mill).
 
Looks good man. I too was surprised at the material cost. I spent about $150 on the materials for my stand upgrade. I still have the two 24" long 4"x4" square tubing I had planned to use on the top of the stand but didn't. I have no idea what I'm gonna do with those.
 
Thanks M M,

It's crazy the our leveling bases cost more than the stand in your case and almost as much in mine. At least our home built parts will be sturdy! :twothumbs

Is Chris's mill like ours with the metal hand wheels? Ours had metal H Wheels in the advertising photos, I like them better.
http://public.fotki.com/cmacclel/shop-2/

Oh well, might just have to take one off and and replace it with a power drive! Some day:naughty:
 
Thanks M M,

It's crazy the our leveling bases cost more than the stand in your case and almost as much in mine. At least our home built parts will be sturdy! :twothumbs

Is Chris's mill like ours with the metal hand wheels? Ours had metal H Wheels in the advertising photos, I like them better.
http://public.fotki.com/cmacclel/shop-2/

Oh well, might just have to take one off and and replace it with a power drive! Some day:naughty:

Chris's is an MSC branded RF31 so they probably spec'd metal hand wheels. I if I ever change mine it might be to turn it into a CNC machine :naughty:.
 
I too was surprised at the material cost.
If you can find a local shop that orders steel on a regular basis, they may let you combine your order with theirs. Delivery is free, as long as the combined order is over $500, but you do have to buy in full stick lengths - 20' and 24' are the most common for steel, although aluminum sticks are 12'. That means you have to bring a long trailer or a way to cut the sticks to pickup bed length.

Both the shops I order through will also sell cut to length pieces, which is nice if you need only 6' of 2x4 hot rolled flat stock. If 20' had to be purchased, the other 14' could sit here for a long time:eek:

One of the two shops buys quite a lot of steel per year, as in millions of dollars worth. Their prices are as low as I can find. If you can ever start doing work for a shop like this, you may be able to tap into their purchasing power. The jobs I do for them, which can be done on any mill-drill, is simple (and boring) drill and tap work, usually a few hundred of some size per month. Not as much fun as modding a light, but it pays the bills & opens the door for more interesting work.
 
One of the two shops buys quite a lot of steel per year, as in millions of dollars worth. Their prices are as low as I can find. If you can ever start doing work for a shop like this, you may be able to tap into their purchasing power. The jobs I do for them, which can be done on any mill-drill, is simple (and boring) drill and tap work, usually a few hundred of some size per month. Not as much fun as modding a light, but it pays the bills & opens the door for more interesting work.

Doing work for a shop opens the door, often quite wide!

Buying 10 feet got a dollar per foot discount over less than 10', This place charges $1.00 per cut since I was in the Toy Matrix I had it cut to 2, 5 footers. Then he didn't charge for the cuts! OK by me.

Any way, The stand is finished. Waiting for dry weather to bring the cast iron home frome the shop.

Primer last night, one coat of paint this morning before work and a second tonight, installed the feet and bolted it together. What a change it makes to the stand! It is rock solid now! And easy to level.

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I am so glad you are giving my such a good example to go by!!!!

Sounds like you are VERY close to cuttin' some metal......

Bob E.
 
Bob,

I hope to get it set up this Saturday... Just in time to leave town for Maui! Dang, maybe I should cancel! :crackup:

I have been running into projects to make since I ordered this thing! I can't wait to get started.
 
That looks vaguely familiar ;). Good job!
+1

Very well done. Did you bolt the new base to the stand, or will you weld it like Brian & I did?

Before you mount the mill on top, figure out what the table height is going to be. My machine has 4" of lift at the top (same as you have on the base) and about 3" more at the bottom. That's the correct height for me, but YMMV depending on your preferences. If it ends up too low, you'll have to bend over for every set up, & your lower back will remind you that it isn't happy.
 

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