New test results for TIGERLIGHT & M6

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I'm happy to own both the the M6 and Tigerlight FBOP, and this post is in no way intended to state that one is generally better than the other since they are so different.

In a previously posted test I subjected both lights to the notorious "white Wall" test and noted that the M6 "literally obliterated" the Tigerlight. But I went on to say that I had no reason to doubt the many posts stating that in "real life" the Tigerlight was brighter than the M6.

I recently read a post (sorry, I forget whose) that claimed greater M6 long throw brightness. Tonight I decided to see for myself

I live in a densely urban city and I have often posted that long throw tests are very difficult to do here. As a part answer to that problem I evolved the so-called "vertical throw test" in which lights are beamed up against the façade of tall buildings to a measured height from a measured distance on the ground. The hypotenuse is then calculated and a distance derived that is at least reasonably accurate, If not exact.

Tonight The M6 and Tlight performed two vertical throw tests. The M6 had the 500 lumen HOLA, virtually fresh Surefire with about one minute of use. The Tigerlight was fully charged and I had installed what I assume is a gen. 2 reflector with UCL lens.

V throw test 1

Height: 280' (28 floors, conservatively allow 10' per floor)
Horizontal distance: 90' (Distance across busy street approximate in order to avoid premature mortality)
Total distance (hypotenuse): 294'


V throw test 2

Height: 170' (17 floors)
Horizontal Distance: 120' (measured)
Total distance: 208'


Observations: test 1

This test was made more challenging by the relatively bright lighting of the commercial street and the light colored building façade. From approximately the distance of a football field the M6 beam was not only much wider than the Tlight's but distinctly brighter. When several colleagues familiar with the Tigerlight from former displays against th same building (I'm "educating" them) saw the M6 beam they literally couldn't believe it, because they naturally assumed that the Tigerlight couldn't be surpassed. Frankly, I as surprised too, even shocked because I had never really throw-tested the M6.

Test 2

I made this test on my own street which although lined with trees covered with holiday lights, was still darker than the previously mentioned commercial street. The building in question was a low rise, only 17 floors but prewar with more than 10 feet per floor, but I still used that conservative figure in my calculations. The façade was considerably darker than the first building's. When the Tigerlight was beamed at the top floor it very brightly and impressively illuminated the wall and several windows. However, the M6 was little short of astounding. It brilliantly lit perhaps five or six windows with a round, almost perfect searchlight-type beam.

True, the distance was "only" 200 feet, but that is still two thirds the length of a football field and that beam had to be seen to be believed.

Conclusions:

Up to and including a throw distance of approximately 300 feet, the M6 casts a beam that is clearly and distinctly brighter and of greater diameter than the Tigerlight FBOP. I had perhaps a half dozen witneses (colleagues) for the first test and two (my doorman and a neighbor) for the second test. Impressions , though admittedly subjective were unanimous and unequivocal.

That said, the Tigerlight's great advantage is its near-constant brightness for a much longer period than the M6. I consider both lights tops in their respective categories and I will continue to use them both with great pleasure.

Brightnorm

NOTE: Because of circumstances V Throw tests longer than 300 feet will be hard to achieve. I'll try to figure out some way to do it

PS If anyone has ANY idea how the M6 could be modded to rechargeabls using HOLA for at least 30 minutes of steady brightness, please tell me. I'll also place this request in Mods Forum.
 
THAT is unbelievable!

So unbelievable that i'll have to buy my own M6 to see for myself.
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Just kidding...my newly arrived Tigerlight will have to do FOR A WHILE. I'll just have to take your word for it. THanks for the comparison...and GREAT review.
 
I have been thinking along the lines of using a 3x5 configuration of 1/5A NiMH for the HOLA or a 3x6 configuration for the LOLA. I emailed surefire to see if NiMH is inadvisable. No response yet. Maybe I'll ask PK.

Cheers.
 
Originally posted by monanza:
I have been thinking along the lines of using a 3x5 configuration of 1/5A NiMH for the HOLA or a 3x6 configuration for the LOLA. I emailed surefire to see if NiMH is inadvisable. No response yet. Maybe I'll ask PK.

Cheers.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Please post whenever you find out. I'll bet Lemlux might have some ideas.

Brightnorm
 
Brightnorm,
Great review.
Both me and Ted Bear had known this fact for quite a while, but we never posted it as it was still on the "drawing board".

We will be doing a "dutylight" test with the Tigerlight as well as the 10X, and several other duty light models. The M6 will be included for reference.
As you know, many people think the Tigerlight is so bright. But if you look at our "superlight test" photos, you will see that the Tiger failed to show anything at 200 yrds.

The Tigerlight is great at what it does. It's small, light, and very bright for it's size.
What it's not, however, is the brightest light you can get for the money. In fact, the "yellow vector" at $18 is at least many many times brighter.

I'm still sick from a bad case of the flu (been sick for the past two weeks), and my DSL provider is going out of business. So, my web site is going to be delayed a bit, but I will post pictures of the superlight test here on the forum in the meantime.
 
Thank you for that review BN. The M6 was on my "Want" but it was in question due to the TL. Now there is no question on that subject. I will buy the M6.
 
I think the only debatable issue right now between the M6 and the TigerLight is battery costs and bulb replacement. Otherwise, if I can get a rechargeable M6 that can hold its bulb like the TL, I'd be blinding people right and left with it.

Every time I turn on that M6, I can feel my wallet getting lighter...

[EDIT] DOOH! A rechargeable M6 is the 10X Dominator...
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But there's very little comparison between an M6 and a TigerLight right now...
 
Originally posted by FalconFX:
....[EDIT] DOOH! A rechargeable M6 is the 10X Dominator...
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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Falcon,

I was tempted by the 10X, even after checking out its awkward shape, considerable size and weight. What finally decided me against it was its unexpectedly limited HOLA run time. This is where the Tigerlight shines, and shines, and shines etc.

For me, the M6 is a different species entirely. With its remarkably small size, light weight and great ergonomics, coupled with an amazing beam which out throws even the 10X (according to several reviews), the M6 is IMO one of the most remarkable lights ever created. Its one weak point is its limited bright runtime and high cost of operation.

OTOH, using split 223's could reduce that cost significantly, perhaps down to $5.00 or even less (based on what I've read in the past. Please tell me if I'm off base on this). But even with an endless free supply of lithiums the bright run time is limited. That's why a rechargeable M6 with up to date battery technology and, say a minimum 30 minute HOLA run time would be an extraordinary achievement. Can it be done, and how would it be recharged? Could a Tigerlight battery be of any use?

I've decided to post this on the Mod forum, because if this is possible someone there will know.

Brightnorm
 
M6 - $280 + batteries
FBOP - $112

Is it me, or does the comparison seems a little lopsided. I guess the term, "you get what you pay for," is accurate here.
 
I don't look at this in terms of an M6 OR a Tigerlight. My M6 has actually become a better light since I got my Tigerlight because it's batteries aren't as likely to get wasted on mundane tasks.

John
 
Originally posted by flashlightlens.com:
M6 - $280 + batteries
FBOP - $112

Is it me, or does the comparison seems a little lopsided. I guess the term, "you get what you pay for," is accurate here.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">exactly. the M6 would be harder on the wallet than i would allow. for the price and rechargability(is that a word?
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) my FBOP is a streamlight/M6 hybrid. i just love mine.

tigerlight provides the best customer service i've ever seen as well. ooops! forgot about dan at tactical warehouse.
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Originally posted by jmm:
......I don't look at this in terms of an M6 OR a Tigerlight..... John
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Couldn't agree more. The wise Flashaholic knows that lights are mission specific. That said, it's probably true that for most of us non-professionals, big expensive lights are more a luxury than a necessity, especially nonrechargeables. Then again, we ARE Flashaholics.
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Here's a repeat of my initial post:

I'm happy to own both the the M6 and Tigerlight FBOP, and this post is in no way intended to state that one is generally better than the other since they are so different.

Brightnorm
 
Originally posted by jmm:
I don't look at this in terms of an M6 OR a Tigerlight. My M6 has actually become a better light since I got my Tigerlight because it's batteries aren't as likely to get wasted on mundane tasks.

John
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Only a CPF'er would use a tigerlight for mundane tasks.
 
Originally posted by bewshy:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by jmm:
I don't look at this in terms of an M6 OR a Tigerlight. My M6 has actually become a better light since I got my Tigerlight because it's batteries aren't as likely to get wasted on mundane tasks. John
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Only a CPF'er would use a tigerlight for mundane tasks.
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BN
 
In this sense, would anyone care to guesstimate the Tigerlite's lumens output?
 
Since the TigerLight is definately brighter than my 9AN, I'd guesstimate at least 250 Lumens... Probably right at the M4's neck of the woods...
 
Originally posted by lemlux:
It's not at all surprising to me that SF determined that the 10X with 4@ sub C batteries is the smallest practical rechargeable battery pack that can pump out 500 lumens for any meaningful time.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Except, of course, for a Lithium-ion battery. That ain't cheap but is right in line with what I'd expect for something in the 10X price range.
 
James:

I've had trouble finding articles on modest sized Lithium-ion batteries that can handle much more than 1.0 Amp currents, and I'm under the impression that the voltage drop curve under load is fairly steep.

What Lithium-ion battery package would you use for currents in the 2 to 3 Amp range? Would you discharge the 3.4 V batteries in series for Lumens/Watt efficiency and then charge them separately due to present limitations in parallel charging hardware?
 
Lemlux, what do you tink of a 8 A battery configuration using the battery listed here: http://www.batterystation.com/nicads.htm Particularly HR-AUX and KR-1700AU?

Asembled into style 34 on this page: http://www.batterystation.com/configurations.htm you would get a package that's 10 cm by 3.4cm, add a metal body with threading for turbo head and you got yourself a M6 lookalike. Okay, it doesn't have combat grip. But... well... it last well on the HOLA. If using the Ni-MH, it should give 30 mins of good briteness, if on the Ni-CD, 15 mins? maybe 10.
 
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