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[Mudd Magnet]

To start I realize this is in the wrong section but I don't no were to put it and there is alot of leo's on this board who can mayby offer me advice.

Last night I walked down to the store to pick up some smokes and a bag of chips I was talking to the employ for about half a hour. I left the store and started walking home I was almost there when I saw a cop turn onto the street I moved to the side of the road the sidewalks were covered in snow so I was walking on the road. He drove past me then turned around and started driving towards me I kept walking past his car he stoped and started yelling at me to stop as he was walking towards me another cop came from behind the store and stoped in the intersection about 20 feet infront of me he walked over and they got right up in my face and started yelling at me to co-operate
I asked what I did and told them I was on my way home from the store. The older cop smacked the bag of chips out of my hand to distract me I guess, as he put his foot behind my leg and threw me to the ground and started swearing at me and hitting me. He hit me in the chest and face about ten times told me I was drunk and resisting arrest I told him to get the fck off me I want to talk to a lawyer and I was not going to say anything else. they dragged me over to his car about 20 feet away stood me up and the cop said to stop resisting arrest and co-operate or you will get more f-ing shots to the head I told him my name and that I wanted to talk to a lawyer. the cop said you're drunk right I said no and the other one said well you are now and put me in the car after they searched me. when I got to the station I was searched again and put in a cell for about a hour the supervisor guy sort of looked at me funny when the cop said I was drunk in public and asked me some questions about what I was doing and if the cop told me I was under arrest. I said he did not tell me what for and that he had assalted me he sent me to the cell they came back after abought a hour and asked for a number so somewon could come get me the cop started to walk away (arresting officer) but turned around and asked me to take a breathalizer I said no I don't have to im not drunk He replied you're right you dont but it would really help umm clear stuff up I said no and he left. on the way back he offered me a smoke and said sorry about what happend.

What should I do about this or what can I do I can't put much weight on my leg my tailbone and lower back hurts and I have a split open lip and my nose and chest is sore This was completly uncalled for and the fact that they let me go I was not drunk and they said sorry in a way to make it seem like it was still my fault is not right any advice Please I really don't no what to do and feel even unsafer while walking alone Thanks

ohh the bloody cops stole my 2aa magled err that really pisses me off I hope when they are using it it dies suddenly like when the batteries go flat and they get jumped or something I know it's not nice to say but they did it to me for no reason they should get it right back

That is in no way my feelings about all cops I have ran across a few decent ones and it is in no way meant to offend you guy's who are out there risking you're life for us just my feelings on these two

 

[Beer]

Wow...canadian cops been taking lessons from LAPD or somthing?

 

[Monocrom]

Well, I'm not an LEO. But sounds to me like you'd have one Hell of a case for a lawsuit. Get yourself an attorney. Simply put, some LEOs are hard-working individuals who deserve respect. I've met LEOs like that.... Others I've met, heavy-handed jack-@$$e$ who should have been weeded out before being hired.

You did nothing wrong. Those two officers never should have been hired. Maybe the department will improve it's hiring standards after a few costly lawsuits.

 

[Diesel_Bomber]

See a doctor ASAP. Tomorrow morning at the latest, emergency room if you have to. Make sure they know what happened and document every little injury you've got, from a hangnail on up. Then find a good lawyer. Good luck.

 

[65535]

Sue the pennies out of the police department, it's POS like that that are what makes this world worse than it has to be. From now on carry a taser or something and fight back, I doubt you have any right to beat up a cop but, the hell if I take a beating for no reason.

 

[Diesel_Bomber]

Deserved or not, tasering a cop is going to get you shot.

 

[65535]

Don't let go. Not a good idea, but I would be pretty pissed if that happened to me.

 

[Marduke]

I would like to hear the other side of the story, as most stories from the "victim's" POV always seem to start off with "I was just minding my own business when ____"

 

[LightBen]

I thought I had it bad when I was harassed for walking after dark in the town where I had lived for almost 10 years (questions like, "have you been drinking" and "did you have a fight with your family" simply because I was going for a stroll on the public sidewalk at 11 pm with a "suspicious" flashlight in my hand)...

I don't know about the laws in Canada, but if you can do it, I would urge you to sue the living daylights out of both the department AND the people who actually attacked you. Are the cops shielded by virtue of working for the government, or can you go after their personal assets since they knowingly and intentionally violated your rights? Yes, and Diesel_Bomber has a good suggestion. Document what they've done to you as soon as possible. It's an outrage when crooked officials pull this sort of thing, and they can't be allowed to get away with it.

When I was younger, I was constantly being stopped for no legitimate reason. I decided to protect myself, so I began to carry a tape recorder. In NJ, it is legal to record a conversation without informing the other person or people, as long as you are a party to the conversation (yes, a lawyer confirmed this). Somewhere, I still have the tape from the incident I mentioned earlier...

 

[Dances with Flashlight]

The advice you've been given in this thread about seeing a doctor and attorney is sound. See both without any further delay. Doctor immediately. Also document everything in far greater detail than you've given in this post, such as information concerning each witness who can attest to the fact you were not under the influence at the time and for several hours before. If you do have a case for a civil suit against the leo's or their department, it will turn largely on the extent to which, if at all, they exceeded their authority, abused their discretion, or violated internal rules of procedure. Because of issues such as sovereign immunity and because we all naturally tend to give leo's the benefit of the doubt, you will need to do much more than simply prove they were mistaken about you and that you got hurt.

 

[djblank87]

I would like to hear the other side of the story as well from the LEO's point of view and what brought him to get out of his vehicle and start beating an individual walking down the street.

Have you taken pictures of your injuries for a lawyer to view at a later time?

Did you go back to the scene and look for witnesses?

Could you post some of the pictures here so we can see the damage inflicted upon you by this LEO.

To the OP, please do not think I'm trying to call your story unture or anything of that nature but like I said I would like to hear both sides of this story.

:thinking:

 

[DM51]

It would have greatly helped your case if you had agreed to take the breathalyser test. You refused, and as a result you have no way of proving that you were not drunk.

In your place, I would have INSISTED on taking a breath test, just to establish beyond doubt and for the record that I was sober.

The officers who arrested you will now be able to claim you were behaving in a drunken and abusive manner, and unless there were independent witnesses who can state that you were not, you will be unable to prove that they are lying. It will just be your word against theirs.

Unless you have a spotless prior record as a saintly paragon of legal virtue and sobriety, you will find it difficult to convince any court that you were completely blameless.

 

[springbok]

there seems to be more to this story. -shrugg-

 

[Mudd Magnet]

I went to see a doctor last night I my tailbone and knee are bruised internally He gave me a prescription for naproxen and advised me to stay off my leg for a while He noted I had had pain in my chest and that my lip was cut and swollen. I am going to contact a lawyer tomorrow and see what they have to say I wrote down everything that I could remember of what happend and the conversations for the most part I have abought 5 pages single sided worth of notes from start to when he dropped me off at my grandmothers house I did this as soon as I got home. The cop told my grandfather on the phone I was brought in for questioning because they were looking for a group of teenagers who were breaking into cars near the main street I was at the bottom of a road that intersects with broadway and up my street about half a mile from the store and it is almost a mile from broadway down the road to the store I was at.

I am telling the truth and do not believe there was reasoning for this to happen I did not agree to the breathalizer because I was not intoxicated and I did not want to give them any more info then what was needed I was worried they might have fudged around with the results and actually charged me after the fact I was not charged with anything at the station and was told I was going to be dropped of at my grandparents house

I have not been arrested before for being drunk I tend to limit drinking as much as I can and usually only indoor's Here is a question for you what would they do if I was at a party left my truck there and walked home I have done that before would I still be able to get charged for being impared in
public even though I did the right thing by not driving and walking home minding my business? The only other time I have been arrested I fought it in court and won it was for a weapons dangerous and assault but I was found innocent? so that should not be on my record right I always try to stay out of trouble and mind my own bussiness I have been harassed or hassled depending on how you look at it while driving but I have never got a ticket for anything basicly they would stop me for silly things and try to find something to get me on I'll let you guy's know what the lawyer say's Thanks for the help so far

 

[mchlwise]

It would have greatly helped your case if you had agreed to take the breathalyser test. You refused, and as a result you have no way of proving that you were not drunk.

Absolutely.

No matter how right you may be, or how much of the truth may be "on your side", what it comes down to is evidence, and what you can prove in court. Otherwise, it's your word against his, and all else being equal the cops will win every time.

 

[Dances with Flashlight]

Give your attorney complete details regarding your conversation with the store employee. What was said, asked, done by each of you. Whether there were any customers who came and went while you were there, what you did while there. How close to the employee you were. Whether he/she had an opportunity to observe indicia of intoxication. Since this person is disinterested their account of events will count for much. Also, with whom did you meet before that? Anyone who might also be a disinterested observer with a reasonable opportunity to evaluate your state?

 

[Samuel]

Wow...canadian cops been taking lessons from LAPD or somthing?

What personal, first hand experience/knowledge do you have of the LAPD and officers? What training/experience do you have with LE work in general, especially in regards to uses of force? I don't work for the LAPD but I'm curious why you brought the name up and threw it under the bus like that...

To the OP, in addition to the other advice already given, if you feel you were wronged, you can try contacting your local equivalent of a "watch commander" (the person who is in charge of the station on any particular shift) and make your complaint. Better to do it sooner than later.

 

[KeeperSD]

I would like to hear the other side of the story, as most stories from the "victim's" POV always seem to start off with "I was just minding my own business when ____"

I agree, there seems more to this story.

I also agree with Samuel, Forget the litigation stuff for the moment :shakehead if you feel that you have a genuine complaint then go down to the station and make a complaint with the supervisor at the station and take it from there.

 

[Monocrom]

I agree, there seems more to this story.

I also agree with Samuel, Forget the litigation stuff for the moment :shakehead if you feel that you have a genuine complaint then go down to the station and make a complaint with the supervisor at the station and take it from there.

No offense, but if the OP's version of the story is correct; what good will it do him to complain to a police supervisor? A slap on the wrist perhaps, if this is the first time the officers did something like this? Maybe if the OP had only gotten slapped around a bit, a complaint would be enough.

I don't normally advise others to sue. I hate it when unethical individuals sue, just to get a pay day. But if a department has lax hiring standards, hitting them in the wallet is the only thing that is likely to get results. It's unfortunate that good police officers have to work with individuals who snuck through the screening process.

 

[KeeperSD]

If the OP is true, and from my experience there is always 3 sides to every story, then a complaint to the supervisor would be the correct procedure to start with.

Depending on the Department complaints are taken quite seriously (i know ours are anyway) and with medical evidence it would have to be investigated. If it was found that the officer acted unlawfully, then it could result in a number of options including discipline action, criminal charges and or compensation.

If the OP does not make a complaint you can bet that if he decides to sue it would be bought up in court that he did not make a complaint, and he would be pulled over the coals in court as to why he didn't make one.