recDNA
Flashaholic
- Joined
- Jun 2, 2009
- Messages
- 8,761
All li ion batteries in USA are imported
Ouch! Exploding vaporizer rips hole in man's tongue
- Thread starter markr6
- Start date
Help Support Candle Power Flashlight Forum
Like I said:
A device that super heats a chemical in milliseconds to 200 Celcius to produce a vapor that is inhaled, what can go wrong really?
For anyone keeping track:
E Sig:
- battery/power supply requirements (unregulated)
- the chemical (unregulated)
- the actual e-sig unit unit/circuitry.(unregulated)
Old skool cancer sticks:
- the tobacco leaf grade, wrap paper and other unknown substances that are burnt (regulated)
-a match :candle: (duh)
Relatively speaking....its a robot vs cave man in complexity. Throw in the final variable of the user with unknown IQ...
A device that super heats a chemical in milliseconds to 200 Celcius to produce a vapor that is inhaled, what can go wrong really?
For anyone keeping track:
E Sig:
- battery/power supply requirements (unregulated)
- the chemical (unregulated)
- the actual e-sig unit unit/circuitry.(unregulated)
Old skool cancer sticks:
- the tobacco leaf grade, wrap paper and other unknown substances that are burnt (regulated)
-a match :candle: (duh)
Relatively speaking....its a robot vs cave man in complexity. Throw in the final variable of the user with unknown IQ...
Last edited:
markr6
Flashaholic
- Joined
- Jul 16, 2012
- Messages
- 9,258
Now we're getting silly; I'm talking about all batteries...imported didn't have anything to do with what I was saying. So because they're made somewhere else the QC would suffer? US does not have a monopoly on quality goods. Sorry some people think that makes me a commie burning a flag, but it's just not true.
I rated them accordingly at https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/originvape.com.
There are lots of good protected batteries - see PCB protection trip at http://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/Common18650Summary%20UK.html
Kudos to SONY for sending the letter.
There are lots of good protected batteries - see PCB protection trip at http://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/Common18650Summary%20UK.html
Kudos to SONY for sending the letter.
I'm sure Sony would have sent the same letter even if their cells were aftermarket rewrapped with a protection circuit. The minimal amount of protection this adds is worlds apart from the comprehensive protection provided in a typical top-tier laptop pack. For example, it does nothing to prevent the type of shorting that likely occurred in recent pants-on-fire incidents (in fact it may even increase the probability of such shorts by greatly increasing the surface area of the positive termnal and running it down the entire length of the can = negative terminal, separated only by thin tape/wrapper)
Last edited:
recDNA
Flashaholic
- Joined
- Jun 2, 2009
- Messages
- 8,761
You don't understand my point. They can be inspected upon entry and sent back if dangerous....but nobody inspects anything other than if the crate is on fire. UL type examination of chemistry and components and claimed specs should take place. I'm not saying they are of questionable quality if made elsewhere. I even used the USA auto industry as an example of an industry that benefitted from regulation.
Oh... And you said "not imported". I didn't understand how direct buy differs from imported.
You do realize we basically agree right? We both want a safe product that lives up to manufacturers' claimed specs.
I also think modded vaping devices are just too dangerous.
Last edited:
My understanding of in-cell protection systems is that they're a lot better than minimal, and do prevent or mitigate some pant-on-fire incidents. I bet there's good scientific reasoning behind the batteries in Teslas having in-cell protection systems, not just larger systems.
ven
Flashaholic
Would be interesting what sony think of their cells in a sealed tube, air and water tight with no vents as well. This thing called a flashlight............
Afaik, none of these cells(18650's), be them sony or panasonic etc etc were made for flashlight or ecig mods.
Mec mods seem to be the majority of accidents, lower the ohm on the coil for bigger clouds . But not content with a 0.15ohm coil, lets make a quad coil!!!! ..............well you can get mec mods with 3 or 4 cells....................that is serious power potentially in the wrong hands, used and pushed to the limit. To top that scary thought off, anyone can go do it over 18yrs of age, without any knowledge .
I know in the past people still dont think its the vape shop's responsibility and maybe correct, but good business sense to me is also educating potential buyers on the basics at least. If i had a vape shop, i would certainly tell them the basics and even have a printed instruction part to fall back on(baring in mind many do not care, its only a battery, when its flat just leave on charge over night, ready for work the next day ) type thoughts.
Just imo of course
Afaik, none of these cells(18650's), be them sony or panasonic etc etc were made for flashlight or ecig mods.
Mec mods seem to be the majority of accidents, lower the ohm on the coil for bigger clouds . But not content with a 0.15ohm coil, lets make a quad coil!!!! ..............well you can get mec mods with 3 or 4 cells....................that is serious power potentially in the wrong hands, used and pushed to the limit. To top that scary thought off, anyone can go do it over 18yrs of age, without any knowledge .
I know in the past people still dont think its the vape shop's responsibility and maybe correct, but good business sense to me is also educating potential buyers on the basics at least. If i had a vape shop, i would certainly tell them the basics and even have a printed instruction part to fall back on(baring in mind many do not care, its only a battery, when its flat just leave on charge over night, ready for work the next day ) type thoughts.
Just imo of course
chillinn
Flashlight Enthusiast
Where did you get 200°C ? AFAIK, Stock wick vapes get nowhere near that... usually between 76°C an 97°C. The "chemical" is vegetable gycerine or propylene glycol, or a mix of these, both harmless to consume, along with nicotine and flavor, all of which vaporizes at a lower temperature than water. The temperature of the vapor is not even warm by the time it exits the mouthpiece.
As stated by others, the problems occur with the rather dangerous custom mech mods and poor cell safety practices.
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/threads/how-hot-does-an-atomizer-get.20768/
http://www.thevapersden.com/index.php?topic=2941.0
http://vaping360.com/temperature-control-a-vaping-revolution/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmU0PVnKq2o
https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic...nyone_here_get_some_solid_information_on_the/
etc etc..
A random search on google confirms the results over and over.
Regardless, there is no regulation on any part of it due to so many different suppliers....and you wish that the "chemical" was harmless every time across the board. Alas you will find knock offs and such more and more. I wouldn't ingest propylene glycol, but hey that is just me.
Capolini
Banned
CRAZY!!! THANK GOD I DO NOT SMOKE, VAPE AND,,,,,,,,,,,!
chillinn
Flashlight Enthusiast
I checked the entirety of every one of those threads carefully (sans the YouTube). Temps you highlight are mentioned. That's all... mentioned, suggested, and not confirmed. The consensus of the threads puts the temps much lower, closer to water boiling point, 100°C, and rarely higher than 150°C. And the threads seem to be concerned with hot rodded mods. From my research, the common wicked vapes, non-modded, aren't even reaching 100°C. If they're dry burning herbs, and not vaporizing liquid, then there is a reason to mod to get the temp higher, from 150°C -- 200°C, specifically for cannabis. But VG/PG doesn't need those temps to vaporize, nor does nicotine.
Wow... you've never eaten a Pop Tart? Its a relatively common ingrediant in a lot of food and soft drinks, for sweetness and thickening.
Last edited:
Propylene glycol is in many foods and beverages: beer, whisky, ice-cream (as antifreeze), Big Macs, etc and has been "used in more than 4,000 food, beverage, pharmaceutical and cosmetic products for more than 50 years."
recDNA
Flashaholic
- Joined
- Jun 2, 2009
- Messages
- 8,761
I think there may be a laxative made of propylene glycol but my memory sucks. OTOH my veterinarian has warned to keep pets away from it.
I was once addicted to smoking cigarettes so understand addiction but not why an 18+ year old would want to start a dangerous addictive habit just to get nicotine? There are much less poisonous stimulants. Drink a few Red Bulls or something.
I was once addicted to smoking cigarettes so understand addiction but not why an 18+ year old would want to start a dangerous addictive habit just to get nicotine? There are much less poisonous stimulants. Drink a few Red Bulls or something.
Last edited:
chillinn
Flashlight Enthusiast
IMO nicotine and caffeine are about on par with each other. Nicotine is poison, pure concentrated nicotine will kill you. But not in the miniscule doses from tobacco, tobacco products, or vaping. Also, there is plenty of evidence that nicotine is beneficial to memory, brain and nerves. Interestingly, smokers don't get Parkinson's (random fact). Caffeine has been linked to heart attacks. And it can kill you.
In general, I agree with you. Why would anyone WANT to be addicted to something? And why do adolescents do what they do, or want to do what they do? Seems like they only want to do it if they know its wrong. Its like a bloody mystery. Boredom? Cries for attention? "Look how cool I am! I am bad news!" Or just imitation? God only knows.
In general, I agree with you. Why would anyone WANT to be addicted to something? And why do adolescents do what they do, or want to do what they do? Seems like they only want to do it if they know its wrong. Its like a bloody mystery. Boredom? Cries for attention? "Look how cool I am! I am bad news!" Or just imitation? God only knows.
Last edited:
markr6
Flashaholic
- Joined
- Jul 16, 2012
- Messages
- 9,258
If you understand the awesomeness of coffee...you know the answer
recDNA
Flashaholic
- Joined
- Jun 2, 2009
- Messages
- 8,761
Diet Coke will kill me. My only remaining vice.
I guess I am in the extreme minority. I eat pretty healthy very few processed foods, soda, chips and don't partake of any substances that are addictive or contain propylene glycol. When I do eat ice cream it contains very few ingredients.
chillinn
Flashlight Enthusiast
ok
dokey
dokey
Last edited:
Dr. Mario
Enlightened
- Joined
- Mar 4, 2010
- Messages
- 459
I will like to keep my face... However....
Exploding vapers are why I quit smoking and vaping altogether... :thumbsdow
Most disposable vaper batteries, rechargeable or not, are all made with Lithium polymer batteries of questionable quality. It's hard to guess which you're getting without tearing them apart AND performing some spectacular smoke test. :sweat: To add the insult to the injury, I have taken some disposable rechargeable cigalike (cigarette alike) e-cigarette batteries apart and..... SURPRISE! NO BATTERY PROTECTION AT ALL. I gotta wonder if it was a part of cost-cutting measurement. And some microcontroller's output pin is also tied to the heater coil too - no power transistor at all, in some cigalikes. :fail: (Most microcontroller can only handle 20 mA current at the pin, and I bet it's more than 20 mA in certain e-cigarettes - more like 80mA, which was why I murdered my first cigalike by accidentally shorting it - no fire - only a toasted SO-6 packaged PIC10 microcontroller chip, thankfully.)
Lastly, I have noticed very few premium vapers have battery balancer and protection (which of course add to the cost but it's kind of not an excuse because it can be done cheaply with $3 microcontroller and several transistors and resistors), which leaves cheapest "box" vapers much to issues of batteries going out of balance and catastrophic short-circuits - not everyone check their cells however, and the older Lithium-ion battery may go out of balance first. It leaves too much left out to Murphy's Laws. This is apparently what FDA's recent regulation is aiming to "fix" (even though I asked 'em the question on batteries, they told me that the batteries can still be bought however, it's now the end users' responsibility - and it is up to the vaper makers to fix the problems that cause the battery to go bang) - I wonder if FDA's new regulation will fix the problem in the first place. I know it won't fix that if the battery remains unprotected - it's up to the vaper maker to fix a few design fails. 18650 Lithium-ion batteries pack a punch. I will rather keep my face intact.
Finally, Propylene Glycol is unavoidable, at least there is Vegetable Glycol as an alternative. Propylene Glycol is kind of what makes vaping a bit harsh (it does dry my tongue up - one of a few reason why I quit). LD50 is up to 20 grams per kilogram, however toxicology is actually an open discussion (car antifreeze is about 80% PG or more meant to both raise the water's boiling point up along with additives, as well as resisting subzero temperature - thus actually bad for Fido or even Freddy to drink all of that due to content percentage). Vaping a puff isn't really much of a concern as a puff is below even five grams of PG or less (again, it's more of an open discussion).
Exploding vapers are why I quit smoking and vaping altogether... :thumbsdow
Most disposable vaper batteries, rechargeable or not, are all made with Lithium polymer batteries of questionable quality. It's hard to guess which you're getting without tearing them apart AND performing some spectacular smoke test. :sweat: To add the insult to the injury, I have taken some disposable rechargeable cigalike (cigarette alike) e-cigarette batteries apart and..... SURPRISE! NO BATTERY PROTECTION AT ALL. I gotta wonder if it was a part of cost-cutting measurement. And some microcontroller's output pin is also tied to the heater coil too - no power transistor at all, in some cigalikes. :fail: (Most microcontroller can only handle 20 mA current at the pin, and I bet it's more than 20 mA in certain e-cigarettes - more like 80mA, which was why I murdered my first cigalike by accidentally shorting it - no fire - only a toasted SO-6 packaged PIC10 microcontroller chip, thankfully.)
Lastly, I have noticed very few premium vapers have battery balancer and protection (which of course add to the cost but it's kind of not an excuse because it can be done cheaply with $3 microcontroller and several transistors and resistors), which leaves cheapest "box" vapers much to issues of batteries going out of balance and catastrophic short-circuits - not everyone check their cells however, and the older Lithium-ion battery may go out of balance first. It leaves too much left out to Murphy's Laws. This is apparently what FDA's recent regulation is aiming to "fix" (even though I asked 'em the question on batteries, they told me that the batteries can still be bought however, it's now the end users' responsibility - and it is up to the vaper makers to fix the problems that cause the battery to go bang) - I wonder if FDA's new regulation will fix the problem in the first place. I know it won't fix that if the battery remains unprotected - it's up to the vaper maker to fix a few design fails. 18650 Lithium-ion batteries pack a punch. I will rather keep my face intact.
Finally, Propylene Glycol is unavoidable, at least there is Vegetable Glycol as an alternative. Propylene Glycol is kind of what makes vaping a bit harsh (it does dry my tongue up - one of a few reason why I quit). LD50 is up to 20 grams per kilogram, however toxicology is actually an open discussion (car antifreeze is about 80% PG or more meant to both raise the water's boiling point up along with additives, as well as resisting subzero temperature - thus actually bad for Fido or even Freddy to drink all of that due to content percentage). Vaping a puff isn't really much of a concern as a puff is below even five grams of PG or less (again, it's more of an open discussion).
Last edited:
Similar threads
