Pentagon Tactical Lights...tell me 'bout 'em

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Anybody with experience with the Pentagon tactical lights like the MS2 and MS3. Looking primarily at LED, but want opinions on all MS series.

Also, any other input on Pentagon lights would be helpful.

BTW, I'm only interested in Pentagon, and don't need any discussion on Surefire, Fenix, etc. I've got all those.
 
Don't know much about the MS series but I'll weigh in a little. I have carried a Pentagonlight in my pocket for almost 2 years now so it may seem a little too obvious how much I enjoy them.

I hopped on the Pentagonlight bandwagon when they were first released because their X2 provided me with a weapon-light for 55$. Over the next few years I purchased quite a few of their lights and have had a couple of problems but no complaints with their products.

My problems were due to their incorrectly implemented circuitry when they first released their L2 3 Watt LED light. The issue was resolved quickly with both my lights and future production runs. In total I dealt with their customer service 3 times and each time was treated with respect and my issues were addressed as important. They are aware of CPF but as far as I know have no presence here.

Their product line is somewhat small and they seem to have scrapped their 12-volt turbohead monster (r.i.p. the X4 :() but is reasonably varied (5mm cluster lights, mini-turbo head 9-volt lights) and they released a very non-mainstream design in the Molle LED light that seems to have been recieved very well. I am unsure of their position on CREE LEDs but they seem to be continually improving their line so CREE may not be far off.

When they were first released the threads were fairly rough and the lenses were plastic but within 6 months the lenses were replaced with mineral glass and the overall fit/finish were improved. They also seemed to have improved their reflector finish, making it much smoother, to aid in throw. Interestingly enough the current HA X2/X3 seems to be sporting a pocket clip now.

Overall their lights are slightly larger than comparitive lights of equal voltage, usually a little longer and heavier but not significantly so. Their lamp assemblies are well designed and lean heavily towards throw (except the 5 watt L3) and are typically on par with the Pelican M6 (a real thrower). Each light they produce is individually serial numbered. They also operate with the batteries positive end towards tailcap and will crush the batteries is they are inserted backwards and the cap tightened all the way. The barrels of their lights will not take 18500/18650 cells without modification.

Runtime for their lights seems on par with their estimates for their Xenon models and slightly overstated for their LED models (a custom maker did a test on the L2, search should find it). Output seems on par also, Xenon is spot-on and LED is overstated. Shock-isolation is excellent, I have shot several different firearms with my lights mounted at varies runtimes and have had no problems. Numerous drops have also been encountered with no damage to the lamp.

The gold plating has been maligned as a featureless feature (some have said it wears off quickly) but I have found that none of my models have shown wear in this area and the contacts seem to stay cleaner than the usual system seen on other lights.

They also have their own brand of batteries but I have mixed feelings about them. I ordered 48 batteries and blew through about half of them in about 4 months, then I bought a ZTS tester and decided to test the cells. I found that every unused, new cell registered 0% and gave significantly reduced brightness and runtime in Xenon lights and significantly shorter runtime in regulated LED lights. I hadn't noticed because I was using an L3 at the time and assumed my use was heavier than normal but I was a little miffed when I realized most of the batteries I bought were dead. I chose not to notify Pentagonlight mainly because I used a fair amount of the batteries before noticed and I am spectacularly lazy during the fall and don't have time to deal with my hobbies. I will say that this was about a year and half about when I bought the cells and have not tried any of their cells since. If you purchase them I recommend testing them before use.

The integral mount lights seem to have a strong following with the AR15 crowd and have been spotted mounted on rifles used by both police and military personnel. I don't have any of the mounted lights because they cost significantly more than their handheld lights and I already own duct tape; but from what I have read and heard they perform well.

I don't know anything about their filters, holsters, tape switches or laser lights. They do have a snazzy glow in the dark t-shirt though. Also, their catalog is very nice but is not free (they may send you one if you ask nicely though :thumbsup:)
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Here are some shots of the X3 and the L3
 
I have had my pentagon l2 (led 3 watt) for over ayear. Impeccable quality and dependability. It has been submerged, banged on rocks, and left in a hot truck all summer. Fit and finish are flawless and it pumps out much more light then My EDC 42 (before the souel upgrade). I have used it for three hours running and while the output was deminished it was still usable. It is without a doubt the highest value light I own, I would recomend it to anyone. The newer ones are even brighter than mine I understand. No expirience with the incans, I have stuck with LEDs since they went over the 40ish lumen/watt threshold.

I am currently considering upgradeing the LED, but am waiting to see what comes out of the rebel or other phillips LED before December.

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Bah! forgot to mention it has handled the recoil of my 870 12 gauge without missing a lick.
 
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Wow, and I thought I wouldn't even get an answer. SpoonRobot, you went above and beyond the call of duty. smknman, it's nice to know it went through the Pickup-truck grinder too. Speaks of high quality. Not to mention the sales girl at SHOT was really cute with beautiful eyes :).
 
I am seriously considering the L2, but I am going to contact them and see if the specs have changed...their website looks unchanged for a year or two (except for the Molle LED).
Seems to be a pretty close competator to Surefire in terms of intended use and outputs.
The other light I am looking at is the Fenix L2T version 2.0, which the specs say is brighter and runs longer than the L2...so who knows.
 
Here's the source for the L2: Looks like 52 Lumens and 1:45hr 'til 50%. Not really mind-blowing compared to current offerings, but this light has the build quality and the ability to accept P60 CREE drop-ins so it may still retain some value.

Although you may just want to buy the Xenon version of the L2 (the X2) and get your own CREE drop-in to upgrade the light, it will probably be cheaper and just as upgradeable in the long-run when the next LED hits.
 
Here's the source for the L2: Looks like 52 Lumens and 1:45hr 'til 50%. Not really mind-blowing compared to current offerings, but this light has the build quality and the ability to accept P60 CREE drop-ins so it may still retain some value......

I'm considering getting an L2. Is it easy to replace the LED with the P60 Cree? Just a simple drop-in?
 
I'm considering getting an L2. Is it easy to replace the LED with the P60 Cree? Just a simple drop-in?

I'm not sure at this point. I own 2 L2's, one of them came with the bezel glued shut while the other did not. I suspect that the first run did not feature the glue but subsequent runs did. It's not that hard to remove the bezel when it's glued shut but it is frustrating to do without damaging the finish.

I would still recommend that if replacement of the light engine is the main point in purchase that one start with the X2 and go from there, since the overall light is cheaper and the bezel is not sealed.

Now, Pentagonlight uses a 27mm reflector on their 6 volt lights. This is 1mm wider than the P60 but the light engines are the same depth so any P60 size drop-in will function in the 6 volt Pentagonlight head. The light engine may rattle but a small collar made from an index card will stop this if it is an issue.

FYI: If you own an X2 and an X3 you can put the X2 head on the X3 and run a P90 or replacement light engine.
 
They are great lights... extremely durable and well made. I really like the double o-rings for enhanced water resistance. You really can beat the crap out of them and they'll keep running. You won't be disappointed.
 
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