PT EOS IMPORTANT UPDATE PLS READ

[woodentsick]

Yea the switch on mine gives me a nice 'click' when i press it, but for some reason it feels flimsy... I don't know maybe it's just me:duh2:

 

[GhostReaction]

Where did they crack? And what conditions were you using them in (extreme cold, extreme hot, just normal use?).

For what it's worth, I have a pair of Eos that I've used for caving for a few years now, and haven't had any trouble.

Forgot bout this thread.

Now the 3 eos which I got were mostly on standby duties. 1 in the car glove compartment, 1 in my toolbox and the other with my dad; which he kept in the drawer with other tools.

The first to cracked before a year of purchase was the one in the car. I blamed it on the heat everytime I parked the car under the sun.

Suprisingly the other 2 follows several months after! These other 2 EOS are kept perfectly indoor at room tempreature...

Anyway, thats enough for me not to get another PT.

 

[saabgoblin]

Interesting, I have heard about the Apex cracking most likely due to heat regulation, supposedly fixed by PT, but never the EOS. Do you have the original Luxeon, 50 Lumen Rebel, or newest 70 Lumen EOS?

 

[d1337]

I have an original and two EOS Rebels. None have cracked. One is kept in the car (in Maine weather conditions). One is in my backpack and the last one is at my house. I will likely get the 70 when I find one.

 

[Gazerbeam]

Mountain Laurel Designs has the 70 lumen model $37, I haven't ordered from them but they are established (Google search) and seem legitimate. Has anyone dealt with them?
Edit: Ok, I went and ordered the black one, used Paypal total price $42, shipping was only $5 every thing went real smooth. Let's see how long it takes to get here. Can't wait to compare it to my old 45 lumen EOS.
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Update: 4/08/10
This is what I found in the mail box this morning on the way to work! 50 lumens, wwwhat!! I wasn't very happy, so as soon as I got home this evening I called Ron and left a message. In less than 10 minutes he called me back, I asked him what's up, and He stated that PT has been shipping the 70 lumen model for two months with 50 lumen badging, the new stickers weren't ready. Ron has sent all of his EOS Back to PT to be rebadged, excluding the one he sold to me. He made it quite clear that if I was unhappy with the light or believed it wasn't the 70 lumen model even after I opened the package I could return it for a rebadged one. He honestly is a stand up kind of guy, he seemed very concerned about me being happy with the purchase, and was a pleasure to do business with.

The beamshot is comparing my two old 45 lumen clear optic EOS with the new one; all are running on fresh lithium batteries. I will post some outdoor and longer distance indoor beamshots if wanted. It's time to go to bed now.
Light are 7" from the wall. The new EOS is definitely brighter when comparing ceiling bounce tests. The beam is soft warm white producing a wall of flood with no discernable hot spot but still throws an amazing distance. I think it's a keeper!

 

[Woods Walker]

Mountain Laurel Designs has the 70 lumen model $37, I haven't ordered from them but they are established (Google search) and seem legitimate. Has anyone dealt with them?
Edit: Ok, I went and ordered the black one, used Paypal total price $42, shipping was only $5 every thing went real smooth. Let's see how long it takes to get here. Can't wait to compare it to my old 45 lumen EOS.
:paypal:

Let us know how it compares. On a side note Ron Bell (MLD) is GTO! A stand up guy.

 

[Beacon of Light]

Looking forward to the 70 lumen versus 45 lumens version.

 

[Gazerbeam]

Outdoor beamshots! Edit: Added 130 Lumen Apex Pro beamshots, same camera settings.

Apex Pro Maxbright - High

Apex Pro Maxbright - Low

 

[woodentsick]

WOW!!

Thanks so much for the updates and beamshots, Gazerbeam, the 70 lumen EOS looks so good, with an awesome range of brightness levels!!!!!! It looks like it has a way beter flood than the 45 lumen model, and it'a got a lower low.

I really want one of those now!

Thanks again,

woodentsick

 

[vtunderground]

Can you tell what LED the 70-lumen EOS has?

 

[Gazerbeam]

The frosted lens and optic makes it impossible to visually identify the LED. I e-mailed PT, if that doesn't satisfy I'll drill out the two rivets, crack her open and photograph.
I assumed it was a newer Rebel and PT is driving the high setting a little harder.

 

[Hooked on Fenix]

If they used the same frosted optic or one similar to the 50 lumen version, a Rebel 100 l.e.d. would be brighter than the 50 lumen version but would have the same beam pattern. The 70 lumen EOS obviously has a wider hotspot. My guess is that it's a Cree XP-G. I think someone had reported that the Tactical EOS had been updated to a SSC P4, which would have more throw and get more light through the light filters. A Cree XP-G is the best l.e.d. for the regular EOS as it is a light that balances spot and throw.

 

[Hooked on Fenix]

I just did the math. If the 70 lumen EOS is driving the l.e.d. at the same current on high as the 50 lumen EOS, a 100 lumen/watt Rebel l.e.d. will only give 62.5 lumens versus the 50 from an 80 lumen/watt Rebel l.e.d.. This new light claims that it's 70 lumens, which it appears is not an exaggeration. At the same drive current as the 50 lumen EOS, it would take a 112 lumens/watt l.e.d. to obtain 70 lumens. That puts it in the range of an R3 binned l.e.d. which is more efficient than a 100 lumen/watt Rebel l.e.d. The one sample we have here seems to be possibly neutral white and has a wider hotspot than the 50 lumen Rebel version. I think we're looking at a neutral white R3 binned Cree XP-G in the new EOS headlight, but that's just my educated guess until someone can confirm this or prove me wrong.

 

[DeNomad]

Well thanks for the beamshots! 70 lumen model looks great. I don't suppose anyone knows of any Canadian suppliers? MEC is going to sell out the 50 lumen model before they start carrying the new ones.

 

[Gazerbeam]

I just did the math. If the 70 lumen EOS is driving the l.e.d. at the same current on high as the 50 lumen EOS, a 100 lumen/watt Rebel l.e.d. will only give 62.5 lumens versus the 50 from an 80 lumen/watt Rebel l.e.d.. This new light claims that it's 70 lumens, which it appears is not an exaggeration. At the same drive current as the 50 lumen EOS, it would take a 112 lumens/watt l.e.d. to obtain 70 lumens. That puts it in the range of an R3 binned l.e.d. which is more efficient than a 100 lumen/watt Rebel l.e.d. The one sample we have here seems to be possibly neutral white and has a wider hotspot than the 50 lumen Rebel version. I think we're looking at a neutral white R3 binned Cree XP-G in the new EOS headlight, but that's just my educated guess until someone can confirm this or prove me wrong.

Wow, Hooked on Fenix you've got my head spinning, I haven't learned the math yet but want to! If PT doesn't return an adequate answer to my e-mail by early next week I'll open the EOS and post the pictures here so you can identify the LED. The LED is slightly off centered you can only notice it inches from the wall; can a noob easily fix that while it’s open? :grin2:

 

[woodentsick]

The frosted lens and optic makes it impossible to visually identify the LED. I e-mailed PT, if that doesn't satisfy I'll drill out the two rivets, crack her open and photograph.
I assumed it was a newer Rebel and PT is driving the high setting a little harder.

I emailed PT and said it was a Rebel LED, and they won't give the exact bin but it's very probably a Rebel 100

 

[defloyd77]

I emailed PT and said it was a Rebel LED, and they won't give the exact bin but it's very probably a Rebel 100

There's that Rebel ES which gives a minimum of 100 lumens per watt. Something's not right with Gazerbeam's post, the 50 (not 45 unless it's the tactical which it doesn't apear to be) lumen Rebel version used a frosted optic, not clear, the old 25 lumen Luxeon used a clear optic however. My 50 lumen EOS looks identical to the middle beam in Gazerbeam's shot.

 

[Gazerbeam]

Here's a pic of the 45 lumen EOS. This one was the brightest and whitest out of the 6 I bought at L.L.Bean.

 

[woodentsick]

There's that Rebel ES which gives a minimum of 100 lumens per watt. Something's not right with Gazerbeam's post, the 50 (not 45 unless it's the tactical which it doesn't apear to be) lumen Rebel version used a frosted optic, not clear, the old 25 lumen Luxeon used a clear optic however. My 50 lumen EOS looks identical to the middle beam in Gazerbeam's shot.

Oh ya thats right, the EOS was either

1) 25 lumen w/ clear optic
2) 45 lumen w/ clear optic (tactical)
3) 50 lumen w/clear optic
4) 70 lumen w/clear optic

Gazerbeam, how can you be sure you have a 45 lumen model?

 

[Gazerbeam]

Oh ya thats right, the EOS was either

1) 25 lumen w/ clear optic
2) 45 lumen w/ clear optic (tactical)
3) 50 lumen w/clear optic
4) 70 lumen w/clear optic

Gazerbeam, how can you be sure you have a 45 lumen model?

I can't, I’ve had these for years I'm pretty sure it's a Luxeon. If 25 lumens is as high as the Luxeon came then I’ve made a horrendous error and apologize everyone. I posted some Apex Pro beamshots in the original post.