PT EOS vs. BD Spot?

jzmtl

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Any opinions on these two? Both have new gen of emitters, similar output and price. I'm leaning toward PT, but from pics it has literally zero heatsinking and I don't like that, however I don't quite like BD's UI either.

It'll be used for when taking out Apex extreme is too much trouble, like night fishing, working on cars etc.
 
Check out the sticky thread on next-gen headlamps by half-watt. My personal experience of the two is between a Eos-rebel and Luxeon Spot, not the latest cree model. Out of these two I prefer the EOS-rebel.

The advantages of the EOS over the Spot are:
more robust
better water resistance
current regulated levels
no PWM
nicer medium-flood beam (although I like the beam profile of the Spot too, good hotpot and bright corona)
nicer rebel tint over the lux (led lottery applies)
more useful levels (more widely spread)
simpler UI
 
Does the spot have very noticeable PWM? If so that may kill the deal. The UI on spot sounds like too many modes.
 
If I go for a nighthike with the Spot on Med or Low the PWM is definitely noticeable. In comparison the PWM with a Fenix LD01 when on Med or Low is nowhere as noticeable under the same conditions.
 
Well I decided on EOS and picked one up. All I can say is wow, very nice! The color is very warm and beautiful, beam is nicely diffused with hotspot gradually fade into spill, just the way I like it. :D

I played with BD spot in store a bit, it doesn't even have a seal for battery compartment FFS. Out of these two and tikka XP, EOS is definately the best.
 
EOS, can use all battery types including lithium.
EOS, is more water resistant/sealed as well as more durable IMHO.
EOS, is regulated.
New EOS has a more effective beam.

BD, has nice/more beam choices/options, all depends on your usage.

There are a few other posts with your exact question and you may get some more detailed answers than I can give especially since I passed over the spot for the EOS and others may have both for a direct comparison.
 
BD, has nice/more beam choices/options, all depends on your usage.
If all you want is a downsized PT Apex, then the Spot is a fairly decent alternative.

However, I'd rather completely forgo the 5mm LED's and just go with the Eos' main beam modes.
 
Yeah, I already have an apex, so spot would be repetitive. Besides its main beam is too tight for my liking.

Does anybody have a pic of add heatsink to the LED? I've found a thread but all the pictures are dead.
 
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Does anybody have a pic of add heatsink to the LED? I've found a thread but all the pictures are dead.

The EOS doesn't really NEED any additional heatsinking (beyond the star that the LED is mounted to). The temperature sensor doodad behind the star should tell the regulator to cut back the current if the LED gets too hot.

However, it IS possible to fit an aluminum washer (hard to find, I know) behind the star. The washer needs to be trimmed to fit around the temperature sensor doodad, and then attached to the back of the star using thermal epoxy. IMHO, this is not worth the trouble, because it adds very little mass to the heatsink. But, if you're interested, I can try to find my bag of aluminum washers & let you know what size to buy.
 
Thanks. What I did end up doing is crack open the less than 12 hour old light (I gotta stop messing with my lights, lol), and added a copper penny to the back of star. I drilled out the center and trimed side to fit, no idea how much it helps, but can't hurt I guess. I'm just not comfortable with running high powered LED without heatsink, and I'd prefer it to not step down if possible.

I'm still amazed by how warm the LED is, even shining on white wall illuminated by 2800K CFL it doesn't show a hint of blue. I would've preferred Apex's UI thou, i.e. click to cycle and hold button to turn off.
 
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...Besides its main beam is too tight for my liking...

the new BD Spot main beam is NOT as tight as the earlier Luxeon Spot beams. the same is especially true for the newer BD Icons. for close-up, task, proximity lighting the Spot's 5mm LEDs (and the Icon's, for that matter) suffice.

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while i still collect HL's, i don't use them as much anymore (exception being to occasionally EDC a new 35[IIRC???] lumen Petzl ZipkaPlus). flashlights clipped onto a ball-cap brim or head-mounted (i.e. "side"/temple mounted with a Jak-Strap or Jak-Strap II) seem to be superior in my estimation (for my uses, at least, YMMV).

the flashlights are generally lighter (important to ultra-light, gram weenies) as compared to most higher powered HLs, more waterproof, and provide better illumination than a headlamp - though generally a narrower field of view, but still sufficient for most of my uses.

if i want really diffuse light when using a flashlight, for example for task/proximity lighting, i usually take an opaque plastic disk and cut it to fit and press fit it into the bezel (and over the lens) of the flashlight (a small Leatherman S4 which i EDC has a nail file/cleaner, which is NOT sharp, that makes it easy to remove the beam diffuser when so desired without scratching anything up). since i want the diffuse light only on low light settings, heat isn't an issue for the "poor-man's" plastic beam diffuser. i can also add multiple layers of Scotch Magic Tape (which is opaque - works well for clear lens too) to reduce the light output and reflected glare, if necessary on those low modes, depending upon the flashlight being used, as well as to make the "press-fit" more secure, if necessary, to make up for any very slight differences in diameter. the plastic disks, thus far come from either a Mini-Mag Lite Accessory kit (contains both clear and colored filter disks) or from some larger AA, C, and D sized Mil-type "Angle-Head" incandescent lights (now with LED replacements) that i have. these larger disks can be cut down to fit. additionally, cutting down in height the filter holder that comes with the $3.95 Mini-Mag Lite Accessory kit (the diameter is already spot on for use) permits use with SF E-series lights if one doesn't already have the purpose-made SF E series beam diffuser. otherwise for task/proximity lighting, i just carry a 2x5mm LED 9-Volt Pak-Lite for very long burning task/proximity lighting. i use a modified Photon Microlight clip and velcro to afix the Pak-Lite battery to the clip and then clip it to a ballcap brim. i've also used SuperGlue to semi-permanently afix RECHARGEABLE 9V batteries to modified Photon Microlight clips.

between a small, light, bright, multi-mode, flashlight du jour and a Petzl ZipkaPlus or the Pak-Lite (usually either hi-lo mode SuperWhite or two-color White-Yellow/Amber), my camping lighting needs have been well provided for. Pak-Lite is NOT the most waterproof light, by any means. i can temporarily afix it to the underside of a ball-cap brim to shield it from rain, however.

just some rambling thoughts. hope they prove useful to someone.
 
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...no idea how much it helps, but can't hurt I guess.

My guess: doesn't help that much since there really isn't a conductive path towards the outside of the light where heat could be dissipated by moving air.

If anything a bigger chunk of metal might take a bit longer to cool off being encased in plastic.

But, that's just a wild guess.
 
Been using the Rebel EOS and EOS II from the time they first came out. If there are any over heating issues I sure have not seen or felt them.
 
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