Question about rechargeable cr123's

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I'm pretty new to the availablility of rechargeable cr123's... Just wondering what the best ones are to use in say a surefire c2 with a Q5 or R2 drop in... Can they be used in series? (2 or 3)? I understand there will be reduced run time... Also what's better, protected or regulated cells? I just bought these on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=160242843716

2 of these fully charged in my C2 isn't going to blow a Q5 or R2 is it? I know very little about these rechargable suckers. Any info would be much appreciated, thx!
 
It all depends on the rated voltage for the drop-in, which are you using? many are only for up to 6v...be careful not to cook it! You can find alot of info on lithium cells at batteryjunction.com. It looks like you've bought unprotected cells which behave quite differently from protected ones.
 
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Both the q5 and r2 are rated for 9v I believe... I think both dropins are solarforce branded...
 
Now that I think about it, I can't say as I've ever seen a Q5 or R2 rated for less than 9v...

As I understand from what I've been reading, regarding the unprotected cells, I've just got to make sure I don't drain them too far before recharging?

It all depends on the rated voltage for the drop-in, which are you using? many are only for up to 6v...be careful not to cook it! You can find alot of info on lithium cells at batteryjunction.com. It looks like you've bought unprotected cells which behave quite differently from protected ones.
 
It really depends on the drop-in being used. a Cree Q5 or R2 bin emitter is only good for about 4V tops (depending on Vf) so it all depends on the electronics included on the drop-in and has nothing to do with whether it is a Q2 or Q4 or Q5 or R2 or anything.

I did a little searching around the web and found numerous reports of the solarforce drop-ins being used on pairs of 3.7V RCR123 cells. I'm not sure what their maximum voltage input is, but it's high enough for your intended application.


unprotected cells are not what I would recommend, especially if you have limited experience with loose li-ion cells. Keep in mind that in consumer devices, li-ion cells are closely monitored. The charging is terminated properly, and the device is designed to shut off before the cells are completely depleted. We have a false sense of security generated by the numerous consumer devices we surround ourselves with that use li-ion power storage solutions. Loose li-ion cells, when over-discharged, are much more susceptible to exploding while being charged than cells that are properly maintained by protective circuitry (as the protected cells would not have been over-discharged to begin with).

Most drop-ins that support relatively high voltage inputs, use a buck style regulation that will provide maximum output until the input voltage drops to around ~4-4.5V depending on the Vf of the LED and various other internal characteristics of the module itself. The problem with this, is that your light will appear at maximum brightness while your cells are closing in on ~2V per cell, which is way below the ideal discharge voltage and *could* lead to cells that are less and less safe to charge with each cycle.

My suggestion for safe use of these cells, would be to take voltage readings of these cells at various points through a "test" discharge. Run the module for 15-20 minutes first from a full charge, allow it to cool off, and then resume testing with 5 minute intervals until the cells are down to around 3.6V-3.7V open circuit. then reduce intervals for testing to about 1 minute each until the cells are reading no less than about 3.5V open circuit voltage. Then add up your total runtime for all the intervals, call this "100% discharge" time. Multiply your available total runtime by about 0.75 (75%) and make this your "target" maximum runtime per cycle.

Keep in mind that you can top up li-ion cells at any time you desire. Shallower discharge cycles re actually healthy for li-ion cells. For example, lets say you calculate a total available runtime of 50 minutes. You should try to make a mental note never to run the flashlight for longer than a total of ~37 minutes on 1 charge, but if you use it for 5 minutes, there is no harm in topping off the cells in the charger and starting the runtime clock over again.

If you follow this guideline the use of the unprotected cells will be relatively safe and I would see no reason for major concern, but if you make a habit of running the cells down until the flashlight is dim, you might consider a re-investment in protected cells.

Eric
 
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Thanks Eric and the rest... All the advice is appreciated. I'm a recharging nazi, so I'd probably be using the suckers no more that 10-20 minutes without an upcharge. Even still, I may just have to look into the protected batteries. Ones on batteryjunction.com any good? I saw them a long time ago, but was concerned regarding the info on the webpage that says they don't work well in series and are better suited to single cell applications.

And as for the solarforce dropins, what I gather from the supplier pages (ebay) the ones I purchased are both rated for up to 9v, saying to use up to 3x3v non rechargeables, or to use 2x 3.6 or 3.7volt rechargables.
 
Thanks Eric and the rest... All the advice is appreciated. I'm a recharging nazi, so I'd probably be using the suckers no more that 10-20 minutes without an upcharge. Even still, I may just have to look into the protected batteries. Ones on batteryjunction.com any good? I saw them a long time ago, but was concerned regarding the info on the webpage that says they don't work well in series and are better suited to single cell applications.

And as for the solarforce dropins, what I gather from the supplier pages (ebay) the ones I purchased are both rated for up to 9v, saying to use up to 3x3v non rechargeables, or to use 2x 3.6 or 3.7volt rechargables.
 
Thanks Eric and the rest... All the advice is appreciated. I'm a recharging nazi, so I'd probably be using the suckers no more that 10-20 minutes without an upcharge. Even still, I may just have to look into the protected batteries. Ones on batteryjunction.com any good? I saw them a long time ago, but was concerned regarding the info on the webpage that says they don't work well in series and are better suited to single cell applications.

And as for the solarforce dropins, what I gather from the supplier pages (ebay) the ones I purchased are both rated for up to 9v, saying to use up to 3x3v non rechargeables, or to use 2x 3.6 or 3.7volt rechargables.
 

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