Regular CR123A or rechargeables?

tuan209

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Hey Guys,


I just picked up a few flashlights, the Nitecore Ex10 and Eagletac M2, so I am debating if I should should go with regular CR123 batteries or rechargeables. I am not a heavy flashlight users, so these lights will be left in the car or home for emergency use. Is is worthwhile for me to spend on qualiy rechargeables and charger? I have heard of the dangers with rechargeables, so I am not sure if I really want to deal with it.

Any suggestions would be great!

Tuan
 
If your usage is light I say go with primaries (regular CR123's). RCR123's are really good for frequent use but they require a little know how and caution to use. You can get primaries online for around a couple bucks per cell. Check out batterystation.com
On the other hand you may start to EDC your light and play with it and use it when not necessary (which a lot of us do) and you will go through batteries quicker. If you start to use you lights frequently, then maybe look into RCR's.
For now just get some primaries and find out how fast you go through them and then reassess.
 
Hey Guys,


I just picked up a few flashlights, the Nitecore Ex10 and Eagletac M2, so I am debating if I should should go with regular CR123 batteries or rechargeables. I am not a heavy flashlight users, so these lights will be left in the car or home for emergency use. Is is worthwhile for me to spend on qualiy rechargeables and charger? I have heard of the dangers with rechargeables, so I am not sure if I really want to deal with it.

Any suggestions would be great!

Tuan

Lithium primaries have an amazing shelf life, not at all like the regular C and D cells that we grew up with.

For car emergency lights, it's definitely cheaper to go with primaries. While it's nice to have a bright mode, most of your tasks will likely need only 10-40 lumens - so I would guess that 2 sets of batteries, original plus spare, will last the lifetime of your car. And there's a good chance the spare will never be used!

For general purpose household flashlights, kept in the kitchen drawer for utility purposes, such flashlights may see action less than once a week. And they may see only a few minutes of runtime with each use. Again, 10-40 lumens are adequate for most household tasks - so one set of batteries may last you a year.

(For my family's use, if I stuck an M2 in our kitchen drawer, I'd estimate that one set of primaries would last between 2 and 3 years - depending on how many fishing and camping trips we took. Strictly used around the house, I think I'd be competing with this thread. :green:)

I'd suggest that you would need to go through at least three to five sets of batteries a year for rechargeables to make economic sense. Even at that, the care and maintenance issues might not be worth the few dollars saved.

If you decide to go the rechargeable route, please educate yourself about the risks. Here are just a couple to start with:
Li-Ion cells
Charging cells
I'd recommend going with a quality charger (such as the Pila IBC) and quality cells (such as AW). However, regardless of which cell or charger that you use, I'd suggest you do a CPF search of the product. The risks are manageable to the extent that you keep yourself well-informed and follow prudent practices.

And I'd like to remind you to be careful when using lithium primaries, too. (1) Don't insert them backwards. (2) Don't use damaged cells (dented or otherwise visibly distressed). (3) Don't use mismatched cells.* (4) Don't put primaries in a charger. (5) Store the primaries in a cool, dry place.** (6) Dispose of lithium cells properly.***

* _ This applies to multi-cell flashlights. Don't mixup old cells (different remaining charges) and toss them into your M2. Keep sets together or, preferably, use each set until completely spent.

** - Lithium primaries have been reported to tolerate the summer heat quite well in car glove compartments, even in places like Arizona. At the other extreme, there's no reason for you to store lithium primaries in the refrigerator. If you do store them in an exceptionally cold place (like an unheated garage in winter), it's a good idea to bring the cells up to room temperature before using them - more to avoid condensation, than chemistry issues. After all, one of the lithium primaries' advantage over rechargeables is cold weather performance.

*** - Recycle your lithium cells. Check your local retailers, some of them, like Radio Shack, accept used cells.


P.S. I forgot one: (7) Don't short out your cells.

Not that you would do so intentionally, but you should be aware of the potential fire/explosion hazard when cells are accidentally shorted.
 
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Hey Guys,


I just picked up a few flashlights, the Nitecore Ex10 and Eagletac M2, so I am debating if I should should go with regular CR123 batteries or rechargeables. I am not a heavy flashlight users, so these lights will be left in the car or home for emergency use. Is is worthwhile for me to spend on qualiy rechargeables and charger? I have heard of the dangers with rechargeables, so I am not sure if I really want to deal with it.

Any suggestions would be great!

Tuan

My use is similar to what you describe. I picked up a Fenix P3D Q5 almost a year ago. It's been my primary light - kept it with me in my bag or car. I did not use it often, and when I did, not for very long. It was always something to have "just in case"...

It's still running strong on the same 2 CR123As that I put in from the beginning. And this is including the "break-in period" where I played with the light more when it first arrived.

From your description, these will end up being the "just in case" lights. So, I suggest putting primaries into the lights, and then keeping a couple spares in a carrier as well. (My P3D is now in the car with 4 spares -- just in case.) My EDC is now a 1xCR123A P2D Q5 -- and I keep 4 spares in my briefcase as well... Like others have said, shelf life is amazing (10 years or so).
 
My use is similar to what you describe. I picked up a Fenix P3D Q5 almost a year ago. It's been my primary light - kept it with me in my bag or car. I did not use it often, and when I did, not for very long. It was always something to have "just in case"...

It's still running strong on the same 2 CR123As that I put in from the beginning. And this is including the "break-in period" where I played with the light more when it first arrived.

Interesting - I have a PD30 on the way that will serve in my shop for spot check on many items & more often than not, inside dark cases with a white diffuser. It will also be perfect for the install kit when I'm on location and at the mercy of people's dim room lighting (cabinet install BTW)

I have no idea how a 2-3 hour run time will stretch in my business until I use it and see. The question is - How many sets of batteries does it take to equal a Pila charger and 2 sets of rechargeable cells?
 
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The question is - How many sets of batteries does it take to equal a Pila charger and 2 sets of rechargeable cells?
You would be looking at roughly $80 for the Pila and 2 sets of quality rechargeable cells.


The answer really depends on where you would buy the CR123A primaries:
  • buying quality cells from retail stores, it wouldn't take long to recoup the costs since most stores charge a lot for CR123A cells
  • buying quality cells over the internet would take a while longer to equal the cost
In either case when dealing with primaries, you'd have to keep replenishing your supply over time.

It also depends on how often you'd use the light. If you only use it once a month, primaries would be better.
If you use it several hours a day, rechargeables would be the obvious route to go.
 
The math is getting easier by the moment. 40 bucks would net me 10 sets online. There will be an occasion when I might burn a set in a day or week, but my best guess for now is a set per month. Looks like a year or better for the 40.

My initial test with 2 sets will tell the tale.
 
Saying a lot that has already been said, but for all the stuff that is only used "occasionally" like emergency bags/kits/in the car, I have the regulars. They have a great shelf life and are much cheaper.

For my EDC (everyday carry), I have a set of rechargeables.
 
I use Li-Ions in every readily available light I have that can run them... because I like to play a LOT with lights around me and even use lights just to help see some things a little better in daytime - situations where I wouldn't otherwise use a flashlight except that now I have them so readily at hand. But I keep a store of primaries in the fridge for emergency use and the lights I keep in the cars for emergency use also have primaries in them... primaries are great for stored flashlights, but rechargeables are great for playing with and using flashlights. If the money for a charger and set of cells is no big deal to you, I would suggest you buy primaries for emergency use and stored lights and get a charger and set of Li-Ions for any lights you might use with any regularity.. you may find, like a lot of us do, that you will use your flashlights a lot more if they're running on Li-Ions.. With a lot of lights, Li-Ion rechargeables will give you higher output levels... something you may really appreciate.
 
not sure if anyone has mentioned it, but the incredible shelf life and stored energy of CR123s only applies to quality cells made primarily in the USA, like Panasonic, surefire, battery-station, duracell, the japan made sanyos are probably fine also.

cheap chinese CR123s are often going to have anywhere from 25% to 50% less stored energy, have about 10X the likelihood of exploding in use, and self-discharge completely within 3 years.
 
Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I ended up buying some primaries at Battery Station. I may end up picking up some rechargeables if I end up using my lights more than I anticipate.
 
Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I ended up buying some primaries at Battery Station. I may end up picking up some rechargeables if I end up using my lights more than I anticipate.

Same decision here - same place - 12 Panasonics were cheap compared to anything local.

Thanks
 
Quick question.

I live in Texas so it gets pretty hot here in the summer. Is it safe to store these batteries in my car? I want to have an emergency light in my car at all times.
 

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