Rookie 101 ....1 more time..on batts

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Hi all :wave:

And this time I need help on ................

rechargeable aa batt's

What is the BEST aa + charger w/ the most power

And Of course the best price ( need I mentiion that lol )

I can find some but HEY You know more than I !!

Thank You for your TIME !:wave:
 
I think this belongs in the batteries section.

For the money, the La Crosse Technology BC-900 is one of the better AA chargers out there.
 
What is the BEST aa + charger...

+1 to the La Crosse Technology BC-900 it's a good value, and IMO, performs quite well. it's also smaller than some other fine chargers, and comes with a nice carrying case and some extras (C and D cell adapters for using AA cells in C & D cell applications; i don't find this too useful myself, but others like them). i believe mine came w/some AAA and AA NiMH cells which i gave away, so i'm not sure of this last point now.

IMO, a better, though more expensive charger, is the Maha C9000. IIRC, the Maha will still charge at its higher current levels (though 0.5C is perhaps a better charge current) when charging four cells simultaneously. IIRC, the La Crosse can only charge at higher levels w/only two cells inserted in the charger in bays 1 and 4 - not two bays directly next/adjacent to each other. i use the Maha C9000 a bit less often than the La Crosse, however, for reasons that have nothing to do whatsoever with performance. separating the cells in most any charger, when NOT charging the maximum number of cells simultaneously is a good idea to make it a bit easier for the cells to cool (besides any design limitations related to charge current which might be built into the design of any particular charger).

since, according to my reading, it is perhaps better to charge at 0.33C to 0.5C (not too fast and NOT too slow also, but a sorta' "Goldilocks" "just right" charging current), this four cell charge current limitation of the La Crosse charger, in actual practice, may NOT prove to be too great a limitation at all.

as far as AA NiMH cells go, i can recommend only three types (though i've tried several others):

1) Sanyo 2700 (in my testing, had the least self-discharge of the several non-LSD NiMH AA cells i tested; main downside of these cells is that their O.D. is just a wee bit larger than it should be and in certain somewhat rare instances they are too "fat" to fit in a particular application; otherwise they are excellent)

2) Maha PowerEx 2700 (in my testing, had an insignificant amount more self-discharge than the Sanyo 2700 cells; i'm talkin' one to several hundreth's of a volt more self-discharge after 30 days among the cells i tested; these cells have a proper O.D. and no problem fitting in applications that the Sanyo 2700 cells are just a wee bit to "fat" to fit in).

and

for LSD (low self-discharge) AA NiMH cells go with Sanyo Eneloops.

i like to have both types, i.e. LSD and non-LSD cells available and ready to go. if i've freshly charged up the Sanyo 2700's and Maha 2700's i will grab them for immediate use. for a AA light that i might load up w/cells and NOT use right away, but have ready to go at a moment's notice, i go for the LSD Eneloops and know that since they self-discharge so slowly that a few months down the road they will still perform well.

also, if i know that i'll be needing some cells later in the day or the next day, i'll freshen up the charge in the Sanyo 2700 and/or Maha 2700 cells so that later that day or the next they will be all ready for immediate use.

don't go by just the Mfr. claimed capacity. i've seen some boasting >2700 mAh capacity which get their higher rating by using a very LOW discharge current which is perhaps lower than any discharge rate that you will use in most of your lighting applications. at higher discharge rates these cells, which i have also owned, won't perform as well as the Maha and Sanyo 2700 cells i'm recommending that you use.

i've purchased ALL of the above mentioned cells and chargers (plus a whole bunch of others) from Thomas Distributing - no problems w/any of the probably 12+ purchases fr/them over the last 2+ or so years of doing business with them.

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[Note: if others reply w/differing opinions on any aspect of this Post, please, go with their suggestions; i won't debate anyone again on batt. related issues even if i either believe or know that i'm correct.]
 
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Roockie- I dont mean to throw a wrench in the suggestions bin but if you have alot of AA's that you need to be recharged I would suggest the MAHA 808/801 series.

801- has eight slots to recharge batteries (AA's and AAA/ 808: AAA's,AA's/c/D), independent circuits

I was seriously looking at the LC900 or the C-9000, enamored with all of their options and the coulomb counting features, but eventually went with the 808. I'm glad I did, for example, I got a call to go camping with some friends at the last minute. Geez, I never realized how much equipment runs on batteries! (lights, camera, radio, etc) so I had to charge my batteries. Luckily, I had received the 808 a couple days prior. The fact that it had 8 bays and could charge at 2 amps, which made it possible to get ready fast.

Some people grab their batteries and hide when they hear 2 Amp charging rate -I suspect that they dont own one of these units. From what I have read nimh can be charged at this rate- its the heat that develops in them that kills them but the circuitry in the 800 series keeps them cool (pulse charging?, not sure). I dont think that lc900 or the c-9000 has this kind of microprocessor in them so the only way to avoid heat is to turn down the charging current.

So in the end it depends how you are going to be using your charger- for maximum control go for the c-9000, for time savings 801/808 series. Either choice will save you money in the long run, because your batteries will last longer and thats good for the environment and your wallet. With all the devices that run on batteries, batteries are becoming a small investment! Just avoid the "quick chargers" you see at walmart. Sure they are cheap but there is a reason for that.
 
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Hi all and thank you for your input.:wave:

half-watt ,generic808 ,zband , wow you have indeed info thats, to put to the test ,

I will go with what, you have posted .Thank You....ALL:wave:

problem solved.........................................:twothumbs
 
From what I have read nimh can be charged at this rate- its the heat that develops in them that kills them but the circuitry in the 800 series keeps them cool (pulse charging?, not sure). I dont think that lc900 or the c-9000 has this kind of microprocessor in them so the only way to avoid heat is to turn down the charging current.
The microprocessors in the C800S, C801D, and C808M are all the same microprocessor (Eighth-generation MH-NM7008 Powerex Precision Microprocessor).

The C9000 is Maha's most advanced charger (also uses pulse charging). I'd hazard to guess that the microprocessor for the 800 series is based on what's in the C9000, if not the same one.

I have a C9000 and a C800S (same as the 801D, except is has a max charge rate of 1A)
 
The most POWER?
Probably an Elite 1700. Capable of delivering 30 amps and holding above 1.1V through the first half of the discharge and above 1V through most of the discharge into that load. Not bad for a single AA cell. They're only rated 1700mAH, but they hold close to that rating even at massive drain rates.

The most ENERGY?
probably the MAHA or Sanyo cells (2700mAH) that half-watt mentioned above.

The BEST?
Sanyo eneloops. Period. Other LSD cells coming in at a close second.

Screw ultra-high capacity, screw hobby grade (RC car) performance. Go for the cell that will actually work when you need it to. Get some eneloops and be done with it.

Eric
 
...I would suggest the MAHA 808/801 series...

i own both of these chargers also. both are very fine chargers and i also highly recommend them.

they also have a "Soft Charge" button, which allows for a kinder and gentler charge rate. virtually 100% of the time, i use the "Soft Charge" feature on these two chargers.

for simultaneously charging, a larger number of cells (i.e., >4), these are to be preferred. for more advanced features, the aforementioned BC-900 and C9000 are the way to go.

good call, zband!

FYI, most of the better chargers pulse charge. also, chargers w/a fan to provide forced convection cooling, from my reading, are NOT to be preferred even though they claim a 15min charge time for AA cells. sure the air flow over them removes the heat faster, but according to a recent article i read, the interior of the cell is still being heated too much. i had two Duracell AA/AAA 4bay chargers w/a fan. the outside of the cells felt cool enough or just slightly warm, however. guess that was NOT a good way to determine that such fast charging was 'ok' for them. also, only used some Duracell AA NiMH cells in them; never put the better cells (Sanyo, Maha, Eneloops) in those two chargers. have since given them all away to some boys to keep their parent fr/goin' broke buying batteries for the lights i gave to their boys. kids (and "big" kids, too - if you get my meaning) sure can burn through batteries FAST.

gotta' agree w/mdocod, if you are only going to purchase a smaller number of AA NiMH cells (let's say somewhere b/t 4 and 8 cells, inclusive), go for the Eneloops and skip the others. the others' utility is really limited to charge-AND-use (immediately, that is). i find this to be more restrictive in actual practice. probably <5% of the time do i charge-and-use. the remaining time i'm grabbing Eneloops that were charged maybe 7d to 30d or more prior to the use that i'm now putting them to.

hope this info helps. seems you pretty much have a consensus fr/the replies among the several options most seem to agree upon. nice to have choices.
 
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