SC50 and new Eneloop cell

cwdy

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I received a new Zebralight SC50 in the mail this Monday and was just delighted. Love the UI.
Last night I went riding on my bike and used it on beacon mode for about 30~40 min with a brand new Eneloop. Might add that the temperature was about 8 degrees celsius.

And it all started this morning:

Using the same battery from last night, turned the light on and cycled through to beacon mode, and noticed the output of the light at this mode was not consistently at the High, but instead it was flashing in Medium and High with no obvious sequential order. Cycled through all the modes several times, reinserted the battery, and found the switch started to malfunction. The light sometimes did not respond to clicks and sometimes would not turn on at all. When cycling through the modes, the 5 Lm Low disappeared and was replaced by the 0.7Lm Moonlight Lo, but the Moonlight mode became extremely dim that the LED emitter just appears a white square with no glare whatsoever when you look into the reflector. Two levels of Medium were as they should be. Turned the light on High and left it on, but it turned off itself after about 10 seconds, and then could not turn on at all. Left it for a few minutes, it turned on at High with a single click, but died half way while press-and-holding the switch through one cycle and could not turn on again. After a couple of minutes, click and hold to turn it on at Low and cycle through to High, release switch, double click to beacon but it died again and would not turn on. All this was done indoors with temperature around 21 celsius.

Now, what's the problem? Has anyone experienced weird behaviour like this from an SC50 or SC30?

Then I put in a near new alkaline AA and the light was happily functioning as normal.

Alright it's the Eneloop. It's not that I didn't think about it, it's just that I didn't expect it. I know Eneloops are not at their best when taken straight out of the packet, but even at 50% capacity I expected it to sustain a regulated beacon well over 2 hours. And if it was the battery, why was light put out lower Lo's but OK in Medium modes?

Well I may be totally wrong here as I'm not any expert on batteries. Can someone advise how to get the best out of Eneloops? How much impact does temperature have on their performance? Is this a key issue here at all?

Not a big deal here but just thought I'd share the experience with newbies like me.
 
Re: SC50 horror

Welcome to CPF, cwdy :)

I guessed "battery problem" about half way through your main paragraph. You'll find there's nothing wrong with the cell when you have fully charged it.

I'm going to change your rather over-dramatic choice of thread title (!!) and move your thread to our Batteries section.
 
haha, no problem, thanks!
'Horror' is kind of strong... but that was the state I was in when I thought this brand new light just died in my hand!
 
Just a guess on my part but I think perhaps these lights have some kind of over discharge protection (perhaps set a bit aggressively) that may prevent using them on high when the battery is discharged beyond a certain amount. I have found mine sometimes acts a bit erratically when the battery gets run down a bit. Usually, a fully charged battery restores normal operation.
 
It would be interesting to hear your final findings, once you recycle/recharge that Eneloop and run it in the same light again. I have this light on my short list, but I insist on any of my lights being able to use an LSD type NiMH comfortably. As I understand it, you simply used the battery straight out of the package.... but as we don't know how old the cell was since it was manufactured, and we don't know how long and under what conditions it was stored before you purchased it.... well, that leave a lot of unanswered questions. :confused:

I for one will be looking forward to an update with a freshly charged Eneloop battery.

Regards

Christian
 
I have a video recorder that quits after 15-20 minutes of on/off recording. I tried recording without stopping to see how long the eneloop would last and it went 2 HOURS and the SD chip filled up! I recharged and tried multiple 2 & 3 minute recordings until it told me "low battery" and it was 18 minutes of recordings. (probably about 60 seconds of NOT recording)

I tried playing a video back and it played many times and restarted many times. I just can't START recording when the battery voltage drops below about 2.6 or 2.5 v.

I suspect that your light is very fussy on what the minimum voltage it needs to see for proper functioning. I'd take a wild guess that it needs at least 1.2 or as much as 1.3 for its minimum.

I have been thinking of using NiZN for ONE of the cells. [OK guys, beat me up,but read on first.] This video recorder is supposed to be a 3v item by using Alkalines. I am a bit afraid of throwing 3.8 v at it for a sustained time. I'd rather try throwing 1.4 + 1.8 = 3.2v instead. By using the inability start recording very eary, I most likely will never fully discharge either cell all the way. I can also watch the battery indicator on the screen, when I drops from 1/2 to 1/4 then its nearly finished being able to start recording, I should stop and change batteries.

Your light probably would be able to use most the the charge from a NiZN cell and go maybe 1.5 hours ? [ I think I saw its capacity was 1450Mah at 1.7v]. So you would probably get 25-40 minutes with eneloops and 90 with a NiZN.
 
I tested a discharg/recharged an eneloop cell in the sc50, left it on hight for about 75 minutes. At that point I thought ok that's good enough this time (I was at work) and turned it off. The body got warm but not hot. The output was still regulated pretty well, as far as my eyes can tell it was very close to full brightness when the cell was fresh. All the modes functioned without problems afterward.
 
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