SF Doublehead light/laser weaponlight?

[NowISee]

Did SF make such a thing?

The reason I am asking is because I found one for sale on ebay. I'm not interested in buying...just curious about it. The seller is asking a bit more than I would pay for it anyway.

I can link to the auction if anyone wants to see it. (I am NOT the seller, and have no interest in it's sale).

Here's a few pics.

I bought a used simular type double last year at a gunshow. Mine is marked G&P and "Scorpion". It is 9V and has a P90 in it, the laser is a green 10mW. From what I could learn it's chinese...but it has worked well. I resently bought a SF M951 to replace it on this AR and the double will move to another. It's made well and is very heavy. I did move it's location to the right side and further back since these pics were taken.

Anyone know anything about this one?

 

[Mercaptan]

G&P product number 577D,

http://www.led-shopper.com/item.cfm/id/GP577D

 

[NowISee]

Thank you.

That's almost it, the one that you linked to is a red laser. I have the green and for some reason it costs a bit more. The red is $139, green is $189.
http://www.led-shopper.com/item.cfm/id/GP578D/curr_code/USD

Is that a real SureFire at the top of my first post?

 

[nzgunnie]

Surefire do/did make this configuration, and assuming the one in your top post is a SF, which given the 'Fountain Valley' markings on the laser unit seems likely, then it is made up of the following: (if I'm deciphering the chart in my 2005 catalogue correctly)

1. what appears to be an original classic weapon light tail cap with pressure pad (unsure the designation)
2. A21
2. A16 (the double adapter)
3. a L36 light module (z32 shock isolated head with a threaded collar I think).
4. Either an L72 or L75 laser module.

It may be a Model 490 or 491 assembly.

Size15 will probably be able to correct any mistakes in the above and provide the missing part designations.

 

[Size15's]

The SureFire Laser Sight is very different from other lasers. The laser itself is hard-mounted within the module. Two optical 'prisms' are used to adjust the windage and elevation by rotating the two calibration rings. These are set using locking screws and the markings allow the settings to be noted and the laser transferred between weapons.

Other lasers simply using a spring and a grub nut to push the laser around inside the housing. The grub nuts loosen and the springs weaken. Not the sort of design that lasts on weapons used as tools by busy operators.

This is why SureFire lasers are investments in the pioneer in weapons laser sights.

SureFire's concept of the A15 Offset Adapter is to centre the laser sight over the barrel as close to it as possible. With the A16 Dual Offset Adapter it is to add a light source saving weight by not requiring a second battery body. It also combined the laser and light switching rather than having to contend with two switches.

It would be usual for the light source to have an IR BeamFilter if the Laser was also [the L75] IR version. The L75 is a restricted item that is rarely seen outside specialist military/leo circles. So my bet is that the laser in the Classic SureFire WeaponLight is L72 visible red.

The 490 uses the SureFire M22 Mount for H&K SMG's, carbines, and rifles without a suppressor. It mounts to front-sight casting by replacing the cocking tube plug with an expanding collet plug, which provides a threaded hole for mounting the M22.

The 491 uses the SureFire M24 Mount for H&K's with a suppressor.

Both use the U04 which has the 4" cable tape pressure switch.
Note that the U04 includes the A21 Universal Housing Body as well as the TailCap with S04 tape pressure switch.
With Classic WeaponLights its unusual to name the A21 when there is a remote switch because the switch systems came with A21 if they needed them (which they do).

What is slightly odd is that it would be more normal for the laser to be mounted directly over the barrel rather than to the side as it is the photo. I suspect the light has been taken apart since it was removed from the weapon and put back together the wrong way.

It does appear to be an H&K type (possibly M22) mount (bolted to the back of the A16) rather than the larger M26 mount used for the front strut of the M16/AR15 front sight casting.

SureFire did make plenty of model variants for the H&K family and only one for the M16 (model 476) that had a short (4") tape switch.

Without seeing the mount or indeed the H&K it was mounted to, its difficult to be certain whether it's a model 482, 490, 491, 493, 494, 495, 497 or 498.

 

[nzgunnie]

With Classic WeaponLights its unusual to name the A21 when there is a remote switch because the switch systems came with A21 if they needed them (which they do).

Can't be that unusual, Surefire's own configuration chart (as published in this instance in the 2005 Tactical products catalogue on p.29.) shows the A21 as a separate component. However, by 2005 the UM and XM tail caps were being listed in the catalogue and shown as part of the classic weapon lights, and they don't come with an A21, which perhaps explains why the A21 is listed as a component on its own.

 

[NowISee]

Thanks again for all the info.

One thing to note, the first two pictures are of the light/laser from the ebay auction, the last two are of the G&P copy that I own.

I have wondered about the one I own for a year now. I see now that it is actually a chinese copy attempt of the SF. I never saw one before I bought the one I have. I bought it at a gunshow from a Army surplus dealer. He had all real military surplus items and few odd ball things like the light/laser. He had three of them, all used with two of them well used looking. He said that he bought them at a sale at a base in Georgia. Not nowing any better I assumed they must be Army surplus and bought the best looking of the three. I paid $80...I think.

I'm not a fan of copy/clones made in china and was disappoimted to find out the whole story. But as I said above it is built well. The laser isn't as nice as the SF unit I'm sure but there's a big chunk of solid brass under the cover that adjusts the aim and it has held zero with many rounds fired. And it is very visible in the daylight. At night it seems to get way out there.

Are the SF ones worth a premium price? I ask because the seller of it is asking $900 for it.
Here's a link to it;
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320460168672&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

 

[Size15's]

Can't be that unusual, Surefire's own configuration chart (as published in this instance in the 2005 Tactical products catalogue on p.29.) shows the A21 as a separate component. However, by 2005 the UM and XM tail caps were being listed in the catalogue and shown as part of the classic weapon lights, and they don't come with an A21, which perhaps explains why the A21 is listed as a component on its own.

The "M" in UM and XM is for "Millennium" Series so they are exceptions to the Classic WeaponLight nomenclature. The same applies to the SW02 for example.

The norm for Classic Universal WeaponLights was a U-type switch assembly.
SureFire replaced the plethora of switch options with the XM07 as standard for the Classic WeaponLights. As noted it does require an individual A21 to interface with the rest of the Classic WeaponLight components (Lamp Modules and Adapters (such as the A15, A16 etc)

 

[Size15's]

Are the SF ones worth a premium price? I ask because the seller of it is asking $900 for it.
Here's a link to it;
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320460168672&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

As serious tools laser sights are expensive and SureFires have always been at the top end for price. Since Laser Products became SureFire they have concentrated on illumination tools rather than lasers. Other companies that have continued to specialise in military-grade laser sights have pushed things forward considerably. Against the modern offerings SureFire's L72/L75 are larger and heavier and remain a significant investment.

If you have to buy one with your own money rather than have it issued to you then perhaps the high-end type laser sights aren't necessary or appropriate?

 

[Netherlander]

Is there a chance to get such an A16 Adapter????