Solar rechargeable lithium ion LED project

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I have the idea of building a solar rechargeable LED light using an off the shelf solar cell.

Anybody got a good link to info on using solar cells to recharge lithium ion? I know that there are some lithium ion solar rechargeable cells already on the market for cell phones. I've thought of just adapting this commercial product to an LED light.
 
Just curious...

What are the advantages of using lithium ion vs. the more common rechargeable types in your application?

Is there a difference between:

lithium ion solar rechargeable cells

and

lithium ion rechargeable cells?
 
The advantage would be a light that you could recharge on an extended hike...away from any other electrical source. The solar cell could be layered onto the light body, seems like the whole affair could be pretty small, yet with a really bright light, with excellent shelf life (when not hiking).
 
Still not sure about the advantage of lithium ion cells over NiCad or NiMH, do they take longer to self discharge or have greater capacity or something?

I like the idea of a solar charged light, how much power do these layered solar cells produce?
 
Doing a little math, I think this might actually work. Assumeing we want 1 hour of light for each hour of charge.

Best case, if you work with single crystal solar cells, which are the most efficent (using the numbers from a Siemans SM55) and you are content with the brightness of an infinity, the collector would need an area of (13*50.9/55)*(.055*1.5)= need .993 square inches.

Worst case, amorphous solar cells which are the cheapest and lowest efficiency, and you want Arc-AAA brightness, the collector would be (29*54/64)*(.25*1.5)= need 9.2 square inches.

So this flashlight would need a face somewhere in the range between .5x2 and 3x3.

I suppose the collector could fold, but that would probably make the light less rugged

Assuming approximately 4 hours of charge (which is nominally my area, some places get 6) you would want a storage capacity between .33 watt-hours and 1.5 watt hours. What do these lithium AAAs you have in mind hold?

I've seen NiMh cells that are 1.8x.65x3 and hold 800 maH, or about 1.02 watt-hours, so if the lithiums are a little better, we're in the ballpark for storage in one cell.

Now all of this makes some big assumptions about charging efficiency, which is really more like 70%, so the collectors would have to be about 40% larger. On the other hand, a DC boost might extend the charging day a bit by taking solar output that is less than charging voltage and turning it into pulses that will charge. Such a circuit could actually be more efficient than your standard blocking diode that stops discharge thru the solar panel.

I'd avoid the strip on the side that shows charge. If it works like the ones Duracell has, it will burn a lot of power each time you check. Since you already have in mind a PIC controller, it could count charge pulses from the charge DC-DC converter (or if it is part of that converter, it could just keep track) and it could count discharge pulses sent to the LED and estimate remaining charge. It might measure battery voltage and either confim its count or just use that to estimate state of charge. The PIC could report state of charge by flashing the LED once for each estimated 1/4 hour of light left, 0-15 pulses in a system designed for 4 hours capacity. The PIC could also prevent overcharge and deep discharge.

You can certainly improve a lot on the pocket solar flashlight I bought about 20 years ago. It had about 2 square inches of amorphous collector, a 50 maH Ni-cad button cell, and a penlight bulb.
It didn't work very well. I think most of the improvement would be in charge and discharge control, DC-DC converters and bright LEDs, I mean that penlight bulb was murder on that tiny button cell, which was always overloaded and in deep-discharge.

Of course you could spend a lifetime trying different ways to optimise it.
 
I've been looking at using Li+ batteries for similar uses (for bicycle dynamo charging). These cells have the advantage of being easier to charge than NiCd or NiMH because you can use cell voltage to determine end-of-charge. With NiCd or NiMH you have to pretty much have a consistently high charging current (1C or so) to be able to determine end of charge.

Li+ or SLA batteries are better (IMO) for these opportunistic charging scenarios.

You do have to have around 1% accuracy in your voltage readings, of course.
 
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Waynerd:
Your ideas sound like what I'm working on in this thread.
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=3&t=001979
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The problem with your design is that there aren't any Li-ion batteries in AA or AAA cells, because of concerns about liability. These will explode if you try to recharge them in a NiCd charger, so no one makes them in this configuration (hence all the weird Li-ion battery shapes).
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bikeNomad:
The problem with your design is that there aren't any Li-ion batteries in AA or AAA cells, because of concerns about liability. These will explode if you try to recharge them in a NiCd charger, so no one makes them in this configuration (hence all the weird Li-ion battery shapes).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Wow! The thread I posted in November finally got some interest! Awesome!

The lack of AAA or AA Li-Ion batteries is very understandable as their output and must be carefully controlled or they will explode or catch on fire. You couldn't guarantee that in a general purpose form factor like AA or AAA. That is why I proposed an existing, integrated product at the top of the thread (a solar charged LiIon battery made for the Nokia cell phone).


Solar Lithium Ion battery for Nokia phones
 
I highly reccomend Waynerd's thread on a solar powered light (LED flashlight wish list) I think he put a lot of thought into the features at the start of the thread; I can't think of anything he left out. In fact, that's the thread I intended to put my previous post in, but couldn't find it again on this silly BBS.

You really should combine the two threads because they are the same subject.
 
Don't really have much useful information for this thread, but I did see something interesting at Costco this evening. They had a set of outdoor lights there, powered by a small (about 2x3 in) solar cell driving one small white 5mm LED. I couldn't really see a whole lot, but it was pretty interesting. As far as I can see, it uses some 1.2 V NIMH batteries (don't know how many, I'm assuming 3 or so) which is charged by the solar cell on top, and there is a small photodiode on top to automatically turn on the light when it gets dark. I tried one, but it didn't really glow that bright, maybe the batteries weren't charged up or something.
 
Hello everybody, time for my first post.

Anybody that is interested in rechargeable lithium batteries should take a look at this PDF file: Catalog-e.pdf
I got 8 'A' size batteries from a bad sony laptop battery. I have always wanted to utilize these in a flashlight, if I can find a way to recharge them.
 
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