Stop me if you've patented this one...

jef144

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I was out jogging after dark and the cheap clickie switch went bad. Pulled out my more reliable twistie (Arc LSH expertly modded by Mosport to light-blind maraurding dogs), but started thinking:

Why do we even put up with mechanical switches on flashlights? They're mechanical, so they break; they convey ridiculously little information content to control sophisticated operation modes; and they just are not FUN -- they are SO 20th century!

How about these alternatives:

1. Electically isolated contact area -- like, the bezel -- that senses finger touches based on capacitance or resistance changes. Could recognize discrete taps much quicker than a clicke or twistie. You could even segment the bezel and have, say, six contact areas.

2. Variation 1, Capacitance tuning. As used by the Theremin of the SciFi golden years, the resonant frequency of RF tuned circuits can be changed by proximity of a body part, such as a thumb. Of course, a modern implementation would just measure capacitance. Maybe touch once to turn on, then wave your thumb to adjust brightness. You might think you'd look strange waving your thumb around, but read on.

3. Forward-facing light sensor looking for light reflected from the main LED. Put your hand in front of the flashlight momentarily to reflect light to register a 'click.' Phase-lock the light detection to the main LED PWM to thwart confusion with ambient light. How to register the initial turn-on? Maybe the main LED would need to be continuously strobed - but only say, 1 ms every 2 seconds.

4. Optical mouse? An optical mouse compares consecutive pictures of the table surface to detect motion. How cool would it be to run the flashlight down your arm to turn on, and up again to turn off? Right to increase intensity.... Battery versions of these optical mice run have highly effective power optimization for the inactive state. Did I mention they are cheap? Heck, my next mod might be adding a LED to a mouse.

5. Voice Recognition. Keep the number of modes/commands small to increase the accuracy. (I'm SO tired of my Prius hearing 'Satellite Radio Two' when I say 'Thai Food!' This shouldn't be a problem with a flashlight.) Maybe even give the flashlight the proportions of a Karaoke microphone -- After all, form follows function?

6. TV Remote control. These come in business-card sizes now, and have lots of buttons to push. OK, not a great idea, but leads to ...

7. Variation 2: Nokia beat me to this one -- cell phone-hosted LED. In fact, if you google 'flashlight software' you will find a crowd that is busy programming incredible modes of operation. You could strobe on specific incoming calls or SMS messages or GPS location or account balance ....

8. Whee! 1D, 2D, and 3D accelerometers are now cheap components used in detecting falling laptops as well as the Wii console. So how about two sharp down-shakes to turn on, single right-shakes to increase light...or having to trace a pentagon in the air for high mode vs. a figure-8 for low mode. These devices can also detect static tilt (gravity-assisted), so just TWISTING the flashlight could perform some useful function.

Safe to say, a mainstream flashlight company may not lead the change on introducing these user interfaces. But someone in the CPF readership might! To encourage innovation, please consider this posting to constitute 'prior art.' It would thus, I hope, invalidate any patents filed after today on these specific topics.
 
Couple other manufactures already beat you to some of your ideas.

Garrity carries this interesting keychain light. The switch is the shiny part. When your finger touches both sides at once, the light is activated, with no moving parts.

NightStar uses a rotary magnetic switch, which means that the switch doesn't not need a hole in the side of the light. Rotate it into position, and a switch inside is magnetically moved into place.
 
Wow, those are some great ideas jef144! Some of them may need some fine tuning to avoid unwanted activation when carried inside a pack or pocket, but nothing insurmountable. Welcome to CPF. I hope some of them make it to our world.

I too have had too many switches on lights [and other electronics] go bad that I never feel that they will always work when I want them to. I have an old Phillips turntable that uses an electronic switch [two concentric metal circles - activated by a finger completing the circuit] that I always wondered why I haven't seen more of them.
 
Hey Jeff,

GREAT ideas. That's the kind of thinking that leads to real advances. 1,000 great ideas will lead to the one BIG ONE that will be in every light in 20 years.

By the way, I am in West Hartford, CT.
 
Way ahead of ya...

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This is one of my homemade creations. Switching is managed by twisting the gray-plastic ring, which houses a few rare-earth magnets. Inside the head of the light there's a reed switch connected to a power MOSFET based high-side switch circuit. Switch turns on MOSFET which provides power to the Downboy that drives the Cree LED.

Reed switches cannot carry the level of current a flashlight requires - its contacts would spotweld themselves together - so a reed switch is only practically usable in this application as a means to command a high-current switching circuit. There are plenty of powerful MOSFETs that can handle flashlight currents and would only need a few microamps of current through a reed switch to operate.

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Thanks for the kind feedback.

If I were in change of DARPA research spending, and considering some of the feedback items, I would realistically fast-track two approaches that I neglected: magnetic actuation (reed switches apparently work WELL, as do Hall Effect sensors a la Surefire U2); and somebody better FINALLY come out with a PC interface for UI customization. (My PC-interface money is on Arc, or more accurately, waiting in the bank for Arc. )

But my heart is with the gesture interface using accelerometers. Flashlights are made to be held in the hand, and hands love to gesture. This even though severe technical hurdles remain (high programming effort, and maybe you need a DSP and not just a FluPIC?); relatively high standby current (.4 ma on the part I checked); and the need to account for the orientation of the device -- 'gravity sucks,' as astronauts have been known to remark on re-entry.)
 
and somebody better FINALLY come out with a PC interface for UI customization. (My PC-interface money is on Arc, or more accurately, waiting in the bank for Arc. )

I think (somebody correct/confirm, as I don't own one) that the Novatac already has this.

Edit: Just found this, so appears that it does exist. The Novatac EDC-85/120P
 
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Seems like at least some of those suggestions would leech battery current, but maybe it would be minuscule enough to be irrelevant? :confused:
 
All of those would require energy as long as batteries were in the tube, honestly a mechanically separated switch is the best solution for any non mains electrical system. Honestly the failure rate of switches is incredibly low and is pretty much a non issue, McGizmo's piston switch is highly reliable and most clicky's last fine with no problems.

Personally I would never buy a flashlight with any of the listed UI's they are all fancy but are useless, when you need light you need it at the push of a button, say you need light when you hear something you don't like, rubbing it on your arms or call my light on my cell phone, honestly not trying to hurt your feelings but some of these ideas sound downright stupid. watcha gonna do? :shrug:
 
Wicked cool ideas!

A few comments:

Reed switches operate mechanically. Probably more reliable than a switch that has power running through the switch, but worth nitpicking IMHO....

Touch sensors measuring capacitance or resistance are something I've been thinking about for a while, but seems like it might be difficult to use reliably. Who knows what might set the light off when it's bouncing around in your backpack or pocket?

The light sensor idea is really cool. I was experimenting with some different wavelength 5mm LEDs the other day, and noticed they would produce a voltage when pointed at ambient lights. The UV LEDs I tested would only produce a voltage when exposed to Sunlight (which, of course, contains UV).

A little googling produced a red LED touchpad that operates by detecting light reflected off one or more fingers back into the LEDs!

Check this link for a short video:
http://cs.nyu.edu/~jhan/ledtouch/ledtouch.mpg
( oops, bad link, sorry -> http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/led-touch-sensor )

It is possible to use this idea in a flashlight! You might be able to make it shut off automatically after detecting a high level of reflected light for a time - like when you accidentally turn it on inside your pocket/bag.

Great thread - let's keep the ideas coming!
 
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Maybe it could have a Hal 9000 interface with full voice-actuation, lol.

"Switch on, Hal. Give me 500 lumens, full flood."

"Would you like any color in that, Dave? May I suggest a slight red tint?"

"No, Hal. Just get on with it. Plain white. Switch on now."

"Are you sure you wouldn't like throw? I'm detecting someone approaching, 163 yards to the North-East."

"Dammit, Hal, I want full flood."

"There's no need to swear like that, Dave. I have feelings, you know. I'm just trying to be helpful."

"Sorry. Please switch on, full flood, right now."

"I'm going to have to give you some throw to the North-East, Dave. The person approaching could be intending to harm me."

"But that's my wife! Just ignore her!"

"I'm sorry, Dave. I can't do that. I know your wife means to harm me."

"Hal, switch on RIGHT NOW, or it will be B/S/T for you, and I'll use my Surefire M6 instead!"

"I have disabled your M6, Dave…"

On second thoughts, maybe voice-actuation isn't such a great idea, lol.
 
Maybe it could have a Hal 9000 interface with full voice-actuation, lol.

"Switch on, Hal. Give me 500 lumens, full flood."

"Would you like any color in that, Dave? May I suggest a slight red tint?"

"No, Hal. Just get on with it. Plain white. Switch on now."

"Are you sure you wouldn't like throw? I'm detecting someone approaching, 163 yards to the North-East."

"Dammit, Hal, I want full flood."

"There's no need to swear like that, Dave. I have feelings, you know. I'm just trying to be helpful."

"Sorry. Please switch on, full flood, right now."

"I'm going to have to give you some throw to the North-East, Dave. The person approaching could be intending to harm me."

"But that's my wife! Just ignore her!"

"I'm sorry, Dave. I can't do that. I know your wife means to harm me."

"Hal, switch on RIGHT NOW, or it will be B/S/T for you, and I'll use my Surefire M6 instead!"

"I have disabled your M6, Dave…"

On second thoughts, maybe voice-actuation isn't such a great idea, lol.
come on, don't stop now, i was gettin' into that !! when's chapter two coming ?? :D
 
Maybe it could have a Hal 9000 interface with full voice-actuation, lol.

"Switch on, Hal. Give me 500 lumens, full flood."

"Would you like any color in that, Dave? May I suggest a slight red tint?"

"No, Hal. Just get on with it. Plain white. Switch on now."

"Are you sure you wouldn't like throw? I'm detecting someone approaching, 163 yards to the North-East."

"Dammit, Hal, I want full flood."

"There's no need to swear like that, Dave. I have feelings, you know. I'm just trying to be helpful."

"Sorry. Please switch on, full flood, right now."

"I'm going to have to give you some throw to the North-East, Dave. The person approaching could be intending to harm me."

"But that's my wife! Just ignore her!"

"I'm sorry, Dave. I can't do that. I know your wife means to harm me."

"Hal, switch on RIGHT NOW, or it will be B/S/T for you, and I'll use my Surefire M6 instead!"

"I have disabled your M6, Dave…"

On second thoughts, maybe voice-actuation isn't such a great idea, lol.

ROFL, now that was hilarious. Seriously though, alot of those sound cool and would certainly have uses, but I absolutely love the interaction with a good high quality forward clickie mechanical switch. I think I always will, kind of like how I will always prefer a manual transmission with a clutch to a sequential setup - might not be the absolute fastest system, but the positive engagement of a well made mechanical connection just does feels more natural and is more enjoyable to me on some kind of visceral level.
 
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