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Not that I want to know, but I'd put more stock in your thinking on the matter than some actor from Hollywood.

Thanks!

I don't believe in having to be politically correct. I will continue to express myself freely in a lawful and non violent way per the our first amendment. Even if that cost me business :-)

I guess in a way that's very bad as I am not putting Sky Lumen best interest first and foremost. If I was Sky Lumen CEO I might not hire myself. But until then.... HaHa ;-)
 
I had prk done almost 25 years ago. I have 20/20 in one eye and 20/15 in the other. I get dry eyes once every 6 months or so and i have to use eye drops. Did they remove the protective lens after surgery yet? That’s when you know you’re in the clear

I just realized I had it done in 1995. To bad my brain isn’t as good as my eyes. It is exactly 25 years. Happy anniversary
 
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I had prk done almost 25 years ago. I have 20/20 in one eye and 20/15 in the other. So everything is extra sharp?


I get dry eyes once every 6 months or so and i have to use eye drops. That's worth it.

Did they remove the protective lens after surgery yet? Sure did after day 4.
That’s when you know you’re in the clear

I just realized I had it done in 1995. To bad my brain isn’t as good as my eyes. It is exactly 25 years. Nice!


Are your eyes still great??
 
I have decided to Vacuum Wrap most lights from now on. It encourage me to clean the light more thoroughly and remember to add V54 if ordered. There are other obvious benefits but most importantly it gives great satisfaction to open any sealed goodies. I hope you guys will enjoy this added feature.

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Vacuum wrap sounds good. That will prolong the anticipation, LOL.

Juat received Noctigon K1vn SBT90 DeLens and WOW! What an impressive powerhouse!

Last night I dazzled some muggles by the campfire with my D4vn XPG2. That inspired me to order an FW3vn Quad W2, which should be even more impressive!

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Vacuum wrap sounds good. That will prolong the anticipation, LOL.

Juat received Noctigon K1vn SBT90 DeLens and WOW! What an impressive powerhouse!

Last night I dazzled some muggles by the campfire with my D4vn XPG2. That inspired me to order an FW3vn Quad W2, which should be even more impressive!

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Did you just caught the bug again?
 
I haven't been so excited for a light like I am for my W3vn Pro since.... maybe my first D25Cvn??? VN4 on this thing is a game changer, no other LEP has... well anything beyond 2 modes, let alone user select-able groups. I can't wait for a 1% mode on an LEP!

Even with super-new cutting edge tech just hitting markets, Vinh can leap right on ahead!
 
Hey Vinh, thoughts or plans on modding an Acebeam L17? 40mm head TIR optic dedicated thrower. Looks to outdo the similar competition perhaps. Possible 200kcd?
 
Hey Vinh, thoughts or plans on modding an Acebeam L17? 40mm head TIR optic dedicated thrower. Looks to outdo the similar competition perhaps. Possible 200kcd?

I have a L17 here. Its basically a MC13vn except not as impressive since it uses the Ws instead of the W.1s.
Also Acebeam doesnt tune the beam to perfection like Manker does.
 
I have a L17 here. Its basically a MC13vn except not as impressive since it uses the Ws instead of the W.1s.
Also Acebeam doesnt tune the beam to perfection like Manker does.


WHOA

You know, one of the best things about being a SkyLumen fanatic, you learn a lot about companies from your comments and teardowns, definitely something I greatly appreciate!
 
I have a L17 here. Its basically a MC13vn except not as impressive since it uses the Ws instead of the W.1s.
Also Acebeam doesnt tune the beam to perfection like Manker does.

I have the MC13 stock, MC13vn with W2.1, E10, and L17 and I can confirm what Vinh said is true. Despite they use the same optic, the MC13 beam is more fine tuned than the E07 and the MC13vn beam is more fine tuned than the L17. The Mankers have less artifact and the hotspot is more uniform.

Here are some measurements. Sorry I don't take throw measurements. My house is not big enough for this setup.

[TABLE="width: 1676"]
[TR]
[TD]Manker MC13[/TD]
[TD]Low[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]70 lumens[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6454K[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.0042 DUV[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]67.2 CRI[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Blue light relative amplitude 1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-36.1 R9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]36.7 R12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]63 Rf[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]95 Rg[/TD]
[TD]included 18650 battery[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Manker MC13[/TD]
[TD]Mid[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]145 lumens[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6974K[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.0004 DUV[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]67.5 CRI[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Blue light relative amplitude 1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-27.5 R9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]38.6 R12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]62 Rf[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]96 Rg[/TD]
[TD]included 18650 battery[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Manker MC13[/TD]
[TD]High[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]292 lumens[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7066K[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-0.0006 DUV[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]67.1 CRI[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Blue light relative amplitude 1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-25.4 R9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]39.7 R12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]61 Rf[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]97 Rg[/TD]
[TD]included 18650 battery[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Manker MC13[/TD]
[TD]Turbo[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]630 lumens[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8686K[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-0.0078 DUV[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]70.4 CRI[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Blue light relative amplitude 1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-1.0 R9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43.5 R12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]62 Rf[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]98 Rg[/TD]
[TD]included 18650 and 18350 battery[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Manker MC13vn w/ W2.1[/TD]
[TD]Low[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]69 lumens[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6102K[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.0012 DUV[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]67.9 CRI[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Blue light relative amplitude 1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-29.0 R9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]36.2 R12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]63 Rf[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]96 Rg[/TD]
[TD]included 18350 battery[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Manker MC13vn w/ W2.1[/TD]
[TD]Mid[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]174 lumens[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6443K[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-0.0016 DUV[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]68.0 CRI[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Blue light relative amplitude 1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-23.1 R9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]37.5 R12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]62 Rf[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]96 Rg[/TD]
[TD]included 18350 battery[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Manker MC13vn w/ W2.1[/TD]
[TD]High[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]391 lumens[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6897K[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-0.0052 DUV[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]68.4 CRI[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Blue light relative amplitude 1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-14.1 R9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]39.2 R12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]60 Rf[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]98 Rg[/TD]
[TD]included 18350 battery[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Manker MC13vn w/ W2.1[/TD]
[TD]Turbo[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1,000 lumens[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7506K[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-0.0089 DUV[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]70.1 CRI[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Blue light relative amplitude 1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-1.7 R9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]41.8 R12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]61 Rf[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]98 Rg[/TD]
[TD]included 18350 battery[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Acebeam L17[/TD]
[TD]Turbo[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1,141 lumens[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7110K[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-0.0042 DUV[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]70.7 CRI[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Blue light relative amplitude 1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-12.6 R9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]42.2 R12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]64 Rf[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]96 Rg[/TD]
[TD]VTC5D[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Acebeam L17[/TD]
[TD]High[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]293 lumens[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6200K[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.0037 DUV[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]66.9 CRI[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Blue light relative amplitude 1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-36.9 R9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]36.3 R12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]63 Rf[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]95 Rg[/TD]
[TD]VTC5D[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Acebeam L17[/TD]
[TD]Mid[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]131 lumens[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6012K[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.0056 DUV[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]67.0 CRI[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Blue light relative amplitude 1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-39.9 R9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]34.9 R12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]64 Rf[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]94 Rg[/TD]
[TD]VTC5D[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Acebeam L17[/TD]
[TD]Low[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40 lumens[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5769K[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.0081 DUV[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]66.9 CRI[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Blue light relative amplitude 1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-45.0 R9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]33.0 R12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]65 Rf[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]93 Rg[/TD]
[TD]VTC5D[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Acebeam L17[/TD]
[TD]Moonlight[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]9 lumens[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5403K[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.0109 DUV[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]66.5 CRI[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Blue light relative amplitude 1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-49.2 R9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]31.2 R12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]66 Rf[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]92 Rg[/TD]
[TD]VTC5D[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Acebeam E10[/TD]
[TD]Turbo[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]562 lumens[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7088K[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-0.0068 DUV[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]65.9 CRI[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Blue light relative amplitude 1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-15.0 R9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]39.9 R12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]56 Rf[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]99 Rg[/TD]
[TD]included battery[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Acebeam E10[/TD]
[TD]High[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]222 lumens[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6695K[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-0.0031 DUV[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]65.1 CRI[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Blue light relative amplitude 1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-26.0 R9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]37.9 R12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]57 Rf[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]98 Rg[/TD]
[TD]included battery[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Acebeam E10[/TD]
[TD]Mid[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]103 lumens[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6510K[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-0.0007 DUV[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]65.1 CRI[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Blue light relative amplitude 1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-31.1 R9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]37.1 R12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]58 Rf[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]97 Rg[/TD]
[TD]included battery[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Acebeam E10[/TD]
[TD]Low[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12 lumens[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6089K[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.0030 DUV[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]65.6 CRI[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Blue light relative amplitude 1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-37.5 R9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]35.5 R12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]61 Rf[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]96 Rg[/TD]
[TD]included battery[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Acebeam E10[/TD]
[TD]Moonlight[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0 lumens[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5534K[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.0034 DUV[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]67.1 CRI[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Blue light relative amplitude 1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-31.0 R9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]36.2 R12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]63 Rf[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]97 Rg[/TD]
[TD]included battery[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Strangely the MC13vn does better with the included 18350 vs 18650. With 18650, it measures 970 lumens on turbo instead of 1,000 and that is the highest I got after trying many different 18650 cells including Manker 18650, VTC6, VTC5D, P26A, NCR18650GA, and protected and unprotected versions. I'm wondering if the 18650 tube is too long and the springs are not long enough to provide enough contact pressure. However even with the long protected cells, it still makes less lumen than the included 18350.
 
I asked Vinh to mod my TM9K by replacing 5 of the stock 6500k XPL2 with 3000K XPL2 7A V4 bin from Kaidomain. I don't like the blue CW in the stock light so I was expecting to sacrifice 1,000 lumens or more to have a pleasant usable tint. I was shocked to see that the lumen output on turbo actually increase over stock!!! Seems like KD's batch of the 3000k is really high output! Also the resulting tint is beautiful!!! I'm so happy with this light now! The instant turbo is really fun to play with and I can't stop tapping it.

[TABLE="width: 1676"]
[TR]
[TD]Nitecore TM9K w/ 4 stock 6500K and 5 XPL2 3000K[/TD]
[TD]Turbo[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8,621 lumens[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4369K[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-0.0017 DUV[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]77.4 CRI[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Blue light relative amplitude 1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.1 R9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]54.7 R12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]74 Rf[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]100 Rg[/TD]
[TD]included battery[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Nitecore TM9K w/ 4 stock 6500K and 5 XPL2 3000K[/TD]
[TD]High[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1,664 lumens[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4147K[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.0015 DUV[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]78.5 CRI[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Blue light relative amplitude 1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.3 R9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]53.5 R12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]77 Rf[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]99 Rg[/TD]
[TD]included battery[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Nitecore TM9K[/TD]
[TD]Turbo[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8,190 lumens[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6637K[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.0017 DUV[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]69.7 CRI[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Blue light relative amplitude 1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-25.2 R9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]44.2 R12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]65 Rf[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]96 Rg[/TD]
[TD]included battery[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Nitecore TM9K[/TD]
[TD]Turbo[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1,879 lumens[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6247K[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.0057 DUV[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]69.0 CRI[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Blue light relative amplitude 1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-34.7 R9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]41.2 R12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]66 Rf[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]95 Rg[/TD]
[TD]included battery[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Nitecore TM9K[/TD]
[TD]Turbo[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]446 lumens[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6109K[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.0072 DUV[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]69.2 CRI[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Blue light relative amplitude 1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-37.1 R9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40.0 R12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]67 Rf[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]95 Rg[/TD]
[TD]included battery[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Nitecore TM9K[/TD]
[TD]Turbo[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]124 lumens[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6121K[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.0066 DUV[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]69.1 CRI[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Blue light relative amplitude 1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-35.9 R9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40.5 R12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]67 Rf[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]95 Rg[/TD]
[TD]included battery[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Nitecore TM9K[/TD]
[TD]Turbo[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]33 lumens[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6543K[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.0025 DUV[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]70.0 CRI[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Blue light relative amplitude 1.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-26.6 R9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]41.7 R12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]66 Rf[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]96 Rg[/TD]
[TD]included battery[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


Here are measurements of the same XPL2 3000K emitter on its own. Notice how the important color rendering scores CRI, R9, R12, and Rf all went up after mixing the 3000K with the 6500K. This proves mixing CCT improves light quality!!!
[TABLE="width: 1676"]
[TR]
[TD]Kdlitker XPL2 3000K V4 7A reflector P60[/TD]
[TD]Mid[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]236 lumens[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3144K[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-0.0031 DUV[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]72.5 CRI[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Blue light relative amplitude 0.73[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-23.0 R9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48.7 R12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]67 Rf[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]99 Rg[/TD]
[TD]2xVTC6 in Kdliker E6-EX18[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Kdlitker XPL2 3000K V4 7A reflector P60 no lens[/TD]
[TD]Mid[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]259 lumens[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3184K[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-0.0046 DUV[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]73.0 CRI[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Blue light relative amplitude 0.80[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-20.2 R9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]50.0 R12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]66 Rf[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]100 Rg[/TD]
[TD]2xVTC6 in Kdliker E6-EX18[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Kdlitker XPL2 3000K V4 7A reflector P60[/TD]
[TD]Highest[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]662 lumens[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3179K[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-0.0040 DUV[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]72.6 CRI[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Blue light relative amplitude 0.77[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-22.1 R9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]49.1 R12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]67 Rf[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]100 Rg[/TD]
[TD]2xVTC6 in Kdliker E6-EX18[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Kdlitker XPL2 3000K V4 7A reflector P60 no lens[/TD]
[TD]Highest[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]728 lumens[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3233K[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-0.0043 DUV[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]72.8 CRI[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Blue light relative amplitude 0.79[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-21.0 R9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]49.6 R12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]67 Rf[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]100 Rg[/TD]
[TD]2xVTC6 in Kdliker E6-EX18[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
Your stock tm9k has some poorly mounted LEDs with barely any solder below them so i am not sure if that was the reason for the lesser stock performance of the xpl2 6500k or not. Either way, seeing that I just re flow all the LEDs to be safe.
 
Ahhh that makes sense and probably explains why the modded light is brighter on turbo but dimmer on the high mode. The poor factory soldering bottlenecked current to the emitters on turbo.
 
Ahhh that makes sense and probably explains why the modded light is brighter on turbo but dimmer on the high mode. The poor factory soldering bottlenecked current to the emitters on turbo.

Right away, when the TM9K was announced in late 2019, I ordered it from Vinh, along with his mod, engraving, extended warranty and specs card. When the light was first announced, I knew I had to have it, based on its exciting specs and exciting configuration. Just press the mode paddle for instant 9,120 single 21700 Nitecore and Vinh high quality happiness.
 
I am not really sure how the TM9Kvn is used with professional photographers but its very popular for the job.
 

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