They are watching us . . .

[Raccoon]

From MSNBC News:<ul type="square"><font color="brown">Although the federal Food and Drug Administration limits the power of laser pointers, there are several Web sites and electronic bulletin boards that explain how laser enthusiasts can easily double the power of the green lasers, which sell for as little as $50 and as much as $600. One company boasts it can increase the power of its green pointer so the beam of light can travel 25,000 feet into the sky.

Enthusiasts visiting one Web bulletin board said they use the laser pointers to identify stars, create simple holographs and even burn holes into plastic cups. One participant said he used his laser pointer to help his family spot a UFO.</font>[/list]
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6785297/

 

[Raccoon]

On a funny note, in the same article...<ul type="square"><font color="green">"Some of the hand-held lasers being sold over the Internet are frequency-doubled, and that's kind of scary," said Bill Ertle, president of Rockwell Laser Industries, an Ohiobased company that sells laserrelated products to industry and medical users.</font>[/list]
LOL!

-ALL- green dpss lasers are "frequency-doubled"!
I would figure someone from Rockwell Laser Industries should know this.

 

[CliffS]

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Thats great.

 

[LaserMod]

LOL

If we frequency doubled our 532nm lasers once more - we would have a very deep UV laser.

Someone should post some rubbish and back it up with some excellent technical theories! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[watt4]

they noticed

 

[liteglow]

i think it`s cool that somebody "maybe" watch us /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
becouse most people in here got nothing to be afraid of !
I think we are got the brain to know how To use a laser device.. no matther if it`s 5mW oro 300mW !!


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[DarkLight]

Pretty silly really, considering how many bad pilots, crash planes on their own.

Seems a couple every year are busted for being drunk in the cockpit also, wonder how many fly planes into mountains that way.

 

[Greta]

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Someone should post some rubbish and back it up with some excellent technical theories!

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Yeah... that's exactly the kind of attitude that forced me to take my current stand on this forum. You seem to think this is a joke... it is not. And if you don't seem to care about that, please remove yourself from this forum and leave it to those who do care and have respect for this forum and bulletin board.

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But it does make me realise that we are being 'watched' and not only by the moderators...a lot more than previous which kind of lets this place down now.

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You didn't think they were? I've known for quite some time now that we are being watched... by many! I too have some "contacts".

"Lets this place down now"? ... no... the only things that "lets this place down" are the members who disregard the laws and rules that have been clearly posted. No one should have any problems if they simply have respect for this forum and the topic.

I will not jeopardize CPF because of a few who "don't get it". Please review CPF's Rules & FAQs... Rule #8.

 

[sharkeeper]

Laser industry fights back! <story here>

There are more reports of laserings now in Hawaii.

Look as long as people can get away with this, they will continue to do so. It's human nature. Short of the death penalty, people will still do this stupid, stupid act because they can and because it's hard to get caught.

Rather than develop a system that alerts pilots to a laser in the area, they should be capabable of identifying the source of the laser. All laser pointers made shall have a carrier signature encoded in their output. When this unique signature is detected, this information is digitally encrypted and relayed to the authorities. A positive ID can be made as to who did this immediately. That folks, would cut down or eliminate these incidents. Only laser pointers would have this type of modification added to them. It's a double edged sword as most types of "big brother" technologies are, and (of course) there are millions of lasers out there not identifiable, etc.

Then you have the "red light camera" effect:. "But, your honor! I was not driving! (pointing the laser) That kind of stuff. It will be responsibility of the registered product's owner to make sure it's not used in a reckless manner, etc.

I'm against this but I really don't want to see a ban altogether on lasers for "fun" purposes - at all.


Cheers!

 

[LeaKeD]

if they had that carrier signature encoded in their output. it wouldnt work very well.. what if you bought a laser and you envite a friend over and he decided to pick it up and shine it at a airplane. hrm.. i guess your going to jail and not him..

 

[LaserMod]

I am sorry Sasha.

The comment I posted was in response to:

"Some of the hand-held lasers being sold over the Internet are frequency-doubled, and that's kind of scary," said Bill Ertle..."

The terminology of that statement is not accurate and I feel if people are to criticise then they should get there own facts straight first.



I would like to apologise for the last comment about the watching letting this place down...I didn't quite mean it like that. I know such activities can only be expected now and continue to increase.

I have enjoyed the friendly and informative atmosphere of this forum for the past few months and my comments are a result that I know we will not be able to continue at least the way we were - and also in the heat of the moment after reading several articles this afternoon.

My comment was completely out of order.

 

[sharkeeper]

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if they had that carrier signature encoded in their output. it wouldnt work very well.. what if you bought a laser and you envite a friend over and he decided to pick it up and shine it at a airplane. hrm.. i guess your going to jail and not him..

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Like I said, the red light camera effect. Read above.

Even so, with the laws today, both of them would probably go to jail. I'm not into politics, I'm an engineer. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif I like to discuss alternatives to banning them completely.

Cheers!

 

[Raccoon]

Education.

Bring lasers into school and teach students responsible ownership and use.

I hold this same opinion about handguns.

 

[kakcoo]

Well... one way or another - handguns are ment to kill. That's an important difference.

 

[Raccoon]

Regardless of the intent, such respect for power must be taught to our youth... And that is only possible by giving them access to such power-- thrusting it upon them. Why do you think people (kids AND adults) today are so disrespectful? Because they live in a do-anything no-restraint Nerf World.

Would you hand a powerful laser to a kid who has no respect for life and death?

Would you hand a powerful laser to an adult who learned no respect for life and death at a young age?

Same thing with a handgun, in my eyes. Adults today have lost that low common level of respect and balance we had only 100 years ago.

 

[Minjin]

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kakcoo said:
Well... one way or another - handguns are ment to kill. That's an important difference.

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And your point is? My high school had a section on archery in phys ed. The bow and arrow were certainly made to kill, but I don't see too many people whining about archery and teaching our kids how to do it safely.

Mark

 

[kakcoo]

Of course children should have respect for all such devices. But they must learn to look at lasers as dangerous tools and at guns as devices made to kill. Lasers where never ment to hurt anyone. But in wrong hands, they can.

 

[Kiessling]

Beg to differ. The USA are just launcheing a programm that uses big lasers for anti-missile defense.
bernhard

 

[Trader55]

Kiessling

That capability has been around since 1986-87! A friend who was inducted into the army just a few months from graduating college, worked on the electronic "dumping" capacitors on the Reagon Star Wars Defense program.

The five "students" who worked on the various components built a scaled down version that dumped 50,000 volts into a 1/2" X 6" glass tube filled and ciculated with Co2 gas. The photon-generated beam obliterated a tree trunk {as in disentegrated} about 2 & 1/2 feet in diameter.

I can't imagine what the version the gov. used would be capable of doing...but a person receiving this directly would probably be spontaneously combusted! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Trader55

 

[Raccoon]

Yes, I will grant you there is some difference between a laser and a gun, but I guess I view things differently than most people.

Rather than viewing a gun as a "device meant to kill", I too see it as a "tool". All tools need to be treated as tools and not toys. They need proper attention, care and respect.

Once people do this, it unveils the fact that these devices (guns and lasers) possess neither will or force of their own or mysterious magical properties which defy the laws of physics. They CAN be domesticated.

I should probably stop pushing this issue so, seeing as I'm neither a member of the NRA or even own a gun of my own. I just wish more people took a practical view towards these things instead of alarm and panic over that which they don't understand.