TL 2 compare to SF 6p/E2
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JohnK
Flashlight Enthusiast
I will assume you are referring to the throw, and total light output.
The TL out throws the P60 SF lamp 70.71 to 63.25 (flashlightreviews numbers).
The total output is also greater for the TL-2 at 59.00 vs. 52.00 for the SF.
The TL out throws the P60 SF lamp 70.71 to 63.25 (flashlightreviews numbers).
The total output is also greater for the TL-2 at 59.00 vs. 52.00 for the SF.
i've never seen the beam of a P60 but the beamquality of the Surefire E2e is far superior to the SL TL-2 Xenon.
if you want you want a bright light with a lot of throw, the Tl-2 is a very good light. the replacement bulb cost only about 5 USD (P60 around 15-20 USD) and there is a backup bulb inside the head.
if you want you want a bright light with a lot of throw, the Tl-2 is a very good light. the replacement bulb cost only about 5 USD (P60 around 15-20 USD) and there is a backup bulb inside the head.
Wrangler
Enlightened
If you want a bright light with lot of throw, get a Pelican
PM6 wich is the best in it`s class or buy a SL TL3!
PM6 wich is the best in it`s class or buy a SL TL3!
Joe Talmadge
Flashlight Enthusiast
TL-2 beam is splotchier (more like spider-webby) than the nearly-perfect E2e beam. On my sample, my TL-2 out-throws my E2e by much more than the 10% number from JohnK's post.
Overall, the main reason to get the E2e is that it's got the smallest size, best machining, best switch by far, and best overall beam quality (which does not translate to best throw). Negatives for the E2e are that it's expensive to buy, replacement bulbs are relatively expensive, and if you want throw it's not the best (though I think the beam is tremendously useful as-is).
TL-2's advantages over E2e are that it's much less expensive, not much bigger than the E2e, replacement bulbs are very cheap, extra bulb on board. If you want throw, TL-2 beats E2e, but you give up beam smoothness (if you care about such things; many people don't).
TL-2's advantage over something like the PM-6 is that the TL-2 is a good deal smaller.
In summary, TL-2 is, IMO, best combination of not-too-expensive, reasonable quality, small size. E2e is my fave for small-size best-at-any-price. You'd go to PM-6 if you were focused on throw and didn't mind a bigger heavier light.
Joe
Overall, the main reason to get the E2e is that it's got the smallest size, best machining, best switch by far, and best overall beam quality (which does not translate to best throw). Negatives for the E2e are that it's expensive to buy, replacement bulbs are relatively expensive, and if you want throw it's not the best (though I think the beam is tremendously useful as-is).
TL-2's advantages over E2e are that it's much less expensive, not much bigger than the E2e, replacement bulbs are very cheap, extra bulb on board. If you want throw, TL-2 beats E2e, but you give up beam smoothness (if you care about such things; many people don't).
TL-2's advantage over something like the PM-6 is that the TL-2 is a good deal smaller.
In summary, TL-2 is, IMO, best combination of not-too-expensive, reasonable quality, small size. E2e is my fave for small-size best-at-any-price. You'd go to PM-6 if you were focused on throw and didn't mind a bigger heavier light.
Joe
Techmedic
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I will ditto Joe's well written comments. Have the TL-2 and 6P. Oh crud, the e2e is still on the want-it list! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ohgeez.gif
RickDennis
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I have the E2e, the first (but not the last) and only in my collection. But what about the SF 6p compared to the SL
TL-2 or TL-3? I love the quality, workmanship and finish as well as the smooth, bright beam of the E2e. Is the TL series even close, or am I better off with the 6P?
TL-2 or TL-3? I love the quality, workmanship and finish as well as the smooth, bright beam of the E2e. Is the TL series even close, or am I better off with the 6P?
JohnK
Flashlight Enthusiast
Well, everybody can *****, and moan, but I used to own two SF 6P's, and 2 9P's, and I sold them.
I now own (among many others), two SL TL-2's, and two TL-3's, plus a brace of the SL TL's (one watt, and five watt) in LED persuasion.
The brightness is superior, the bulbs are cheaper, have a spare ONBOARD (incandescents), have excellent beams, excellent build, and finish, have a wonderful clip that the SF's don't have, and are not slippery as hell as the SF's.
I like them.
I now own (among many others), two SL TL-2's, and two TL-3's, plus a brace of the SL TL's (one watt, and five watt) in LED persuasion.
The brightness is superior, the bulbs are cheaper, have a spare ONBOARD (incandescents), have excellent beams, excellent build, and finish, have a wonderful clip that the SF's don't have, and are not slippery as hell as the SF's.
I like them.
Joe Talmadge
Flashlight Enthusiast
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RickDennis said:
I love the quality, workmanship and finish as well as the smooth, bright beam of the E2e. Is the TL series even close
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Nope. Well, the TL-2 is a tad brighter, and throws more. But if it's a smooth beam and top quality craftsmanship-at-any-price that you want, stick with your 6p, IMO.
RickDennis said:
I love the quality, workmanship and finish as well as the smooth, bright beam of the E2e. Is the TL series even close
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Nope. Well, the TL-2 is a tad brighter, and throws more. But if it's a smooth beam and top quality craftsmanship-at-any-price that you want, stick with your 6p, IMO.
dano
Flashlight Enthusiast
The TL series, in build quality, easily compares to a 6P.
In performance, it does out throw a 6P, and 9P. Flood pattern does have some issues, but aren't noticable under real world usage (i.e. not bouncing the beam off a white wall).
-dan
In performance, it does out throw a 6P, and 9P. Flood pattern does have some issues, but aren't noticable under real world usage (i.e. not bouncing the beam off a white wall).
-dan
Wrangler
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I buy several lights and sell the most of them again. For example I sold my SF G2 and SF 6P and even my great Pelican PM6 but will stay with my 3 keepers my Inova X5, X5T a n d my SL TL3!
(Just waiting for 4Sevens Nuwai-mod and MR BULK`S LionHeart!)
Greets,
Wolfgang
(Just waiting for 4Sevens Nuwai-mod and MR BULK`S LionHeart!)
Greets,
Wolfgang
Joe Talmadge
Flashlight Enthusiast
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dano said:
The TL series, in build quality, easily compares to a 6P.
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Wow, I can't see how you can hold both in your hands and come to that conclusion. But, to some extent this is an opinion thing,and maybe it's me who is in the minority. The place where the quality difference is most obvious is, IMO, in the switch (maybe you don't consider this "build quality"). Do you agree Dan? That's one place where I'd think the SF's superior quality is really obvious.
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In performance, it does out throw a 6P, and 9P. Flood pattern does have some issues, but aren't noticable under real world usage (i.e. not bouncing the beam off a white wall).
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Agreed, to some extent. Even not bouncing off a white wall, I do notice the TL's beam pattern when using it at relatively shorter distances, but also agree that for most it won't be an issue.
All of that said, I now strongly recommend that my friends who want this type of light look closely at the Streamlight, rather than just plunking down money for the Surefire. Why? Because the TL's overall quality is good enough for any use, and because I'm so irritated at P-xx series lamp assembly replacement costs, compounded by the fact that my experience as far as shock resistance of those lamps has not been good.
dano said:
The TL series, in build quality, easily compares to a 6P.
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Wow, I can't see how you can hold both in your hands and come to that conclusion. But, to some extent this is an opinion thing,and maybe it's me who is in the minority. The place where the quality difference is most obvious is, IMO, in the switch (maybe you don't consider this "build quality"). Do you agree Dan? That's one place where I'd think the SF's superior quality is really obvious.
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In performance, it does out throw a 6P, and 9P. Flood pattern does have some issues, but aren't noticable under real world usage (i.e. not bouncing the beam off a white wall).
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Agreed, to some extent. Even not bouncing off a white wall, I do notice the TL's beam pattern when using it at relatively shorter distances, but also agree that for most it won't be an issue.
All of that said, I now strongly recommend that my friends who want this type of light look closely at the Streamlight, rather than just plunking down money for the Surefire. Why? Because the TL's overall quality is good enough for any use, and because I'm so irritated at P-xx series lamp assembly replacement costs, compounded by the fact that my experience as far as shock resistance of those lamps has not been good.
dano
Flashlight Enthusiast
My 6P has the original non-lock out tail cap, which is a metal plunger and a spring. The newer lock-out tailcaps are a bit more involved.
The NF/TL series has a tailcap with a plastic plunger with a metal ring surrounding it. When pressed, this metal ring contacts the light of the body.
Currently, I have an NF2 that I took the "combat ring" off, and I'm using a Pila Li-ion cell and a Streamlight STrion bulb. It's a really small, really well made rechargeable light, that's even smaller than a Streamlight Strion.
Looking at the 6P and NF side-by-side, I can't see a real difference between the two in terms of fit/finish, threads, tolerances, etc.
-dan
The NF/TL series has a tailcap with a plastic plunger with a metal ring surrounding it. When pressed, this metal ring contacts the light of the body.
Currently, I have an NF2 that I took the "combat ring" off, and I'm using a Pila Li-ion cell and a Streamlight STrion bulb. It's a really small, really well made rechargeable light, that's even smaller than a Streamlight Strion.
Looking at the 6P and NF side-by-side, I can't see a real difference between the two in terms of fit/finish, threads, tolerances, etc.
-dan
brightnorm
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dano said:
...Currently, I have an NF2 that I took the "combat ring" off, and I'm using a Pila Li-ion cell and a Streamlight STrion bulb. It's a really small, really well made rechargeable light, that's even smaller than a Streamlight Strion...
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Dan,
Clever idea, I'll try it. Only downside is 168S reduced burn time compared to SL 2000mah, and the PILA charger often charges to only 3.88-3.90v compared to the Strion charger's 4.22v.
What I'd really like is a PM6 lamp/reflector modded to Don's PR-T or Aleph 27mm head. The lamp retains its superior brightness on 123s for a surprisingly long time but that mod may be impossible.
Brightnorm
dano said:
...Currently, I have an NF2 that I took the "combat ring" off, and I'm using a Pila Li-ion cell and a Streamlight STrion bulb. It's a really small, really well made rechargeable light, that's even smaller than a Streamlight Strion...
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Dan,
Clever idea, I'll try it. Only downside is 168S reduced burn time compared to SL 2000mah, and the PILA charger often charges to only 3.88-3.90v compared to the Strion charger's 4.22v.
What I'd really like is a PM6 lamp/reflector modded to Don's PR-T or Aleph 27mm head. The lamp retains its superior brightness on 123s for a surprisingly long time but that mod may be impossible.
Brightnorm
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