Too many choices! AKA Help me pick an insert...

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I picked up some indexable tooling for my lathe that uses TCMT 21.50 inserts. I'd like to pick some up while MSC has their 40% off sale, but I've got dozens of choices.

Here's a link to the search I did.

Could someone please help me pick one or two styles that would work well for general turning and facing?
 
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Basically, you want some to match the type of metal you are cutting. So get some with different rakes and coatings.

You want some that have a larger radius as well as smaller. That's the last number (the zero in your example). The wider radius (2) leaves a nicer finish. The 0 radius cuts sharp corners and threads.

I've done ok with an assortment of TCMT 21.5 with a radius of 0, 1 and 2 in c2, c6, coated and uncoated.

Daniel
 
Could someone please help me pick one or two styles that would work well for general turning and facing?

Nothing wrong with TCMT inserts. They will work well for steel.

Now for Aluminum, sticking with inserts that will fit in the same holder as your TCMT, I would strongly recommend TCGX *****.AL

These last 2 letters designate the all important "Insert Geometry"

The 'AL' gives you a 20° top rake that works perfectly with aluminum.
I like positive tooling as it works will with thin wall tubing and delicate work. Also uses less power and works well with small machines.

Selecting the right insert for the job and lathe is an art in itself.
The important factor, once you decide shape etc, is the insert geometry.

There are lots of gotchas......

Sometimes you will see a nice looking insert with an advertised top rake of , say. 10°. But on closer inspection the 10° does not start right at the edge but a few thou back. So using this insert on a small depth of cut the actual rake works out to be 0°. So for our purposes, this insert geometry would not work for light finishing cuts. It will work, but you will NOT get the 10° that was advertised.

Try and find a copy of the "Sandvik Metalcutting Technical guide".
Its free and is IMHO the bible for selecting inserts etc.
 
Thanks for the advice.


I was searching, and I figure I'll pick up 2 "universal" 10-packs, which should hold me over for a while.
the MSC#'s are:
88011812
88011820

Think they'll do?
 
Sorry, off topic. Is MSC a good place to buy from? When comparing prices to Enco I find that they are way more expensive! None the less I took advantage of the 40% off today & picked me up a Noga & a couple of other items.

Try and find a copy of the "Sandvik Metalcutting Technical guide".
Its free and is IMHO the bible for selecting inserts etc.

Thank you so much! :twothumbs Are there any other guides you can recommend?
 
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Thanks for the advice.


I was searching, and I figure I'll pick up 2 "universal" 10-packs, which should hold me over for a while.
the MSC#'s are:
88011812
88011820

Think they'll do?

Just to warn you... the 10 pack is 11.67 per insert. That's 116.70 per 10 pack. Just in case you did not notice.


The inserts should do what you want. The chip breaker provides the top rake.

Daniel
 
Thank you so much! :twothumbs Are there any other guides you can recommend?

There are some excellent books published in England by the
"Workshop Practice Series". I have most of them and would highly recommend checking them out.

They are available in the USA from Amazon and http://www.blueridgeshoponline.com/category.sc?categoryId=3

Book #5 is really interesting as it fully explains the many ways that milling can be done successfully on a lathe.
 
Thanks for the info on the reading material! I'll have to look it up when I get time :thumbsup:

Looks like I learned another lesson the hard way.

On the bright side, I'll now have 2 good inserts for finishing and threading :D

Thanks!
 
I found some very good inserts for aluminum. They are made by a Korean company, Korloy, Inc. and are sold by Travers Tool.
https://www.travers.com/index.asp
The Travers website is difficult; just put Korloy in the search box or search for aluminum inserts. Use MS IE browser.
 
Thanks for the tip, but I see no reason why I should use such a horrible browser as IE. (not that I could anyways, since I run Linux)
Firefox worked just fine for me, as did Konqueror, Galleon, and Dillo.
 

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