Ultimate Hotwire EDC Poll: Size/Output

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  • E2E-ish and 200 lumens or less

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Ginseng

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Hi guys,

As I start to generate design options for the Ultimate Hotwire EDC, I'd like to gather some ideas about what people like. This first poll is about size and output. Assume the runtime in all cases is 40 minutes.

Please select the size/output combo of your ideal howire EDC. Feel free to add comments by posting here.

Thanks,
Wilkey
 
If you can get a E2e with it's original size with 200 lumens with reasonable runtime like the 40 mins or something, I would definitely be interested in a buying one.
 
I prefer something with much more lumens than 200. The Streamlight TL-3 is already rated at 200 lumens with 1 hour run time. It's only one CR123 bigger than the E2E. My vote is for the Stinger size host with 500 lumens. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Actually, I kinda like the form factor of the Mag2C. If we can somehow replace the stock switch, we can stuff 3 more 1/2SC in it, making it fit 8 1/2SC. Or, if size is a concern, we can chop off the switch portion of the tube, making it the length of a Stinger, but can hold 5 1/2SC. Just some thoughts. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

ernest
 
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Looks like it's almost half half. Well, I guess you got to make both of them now. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
I voted for the Stinger due to output.... BUT I would MUCH prefer the E2E size with about 300+ lumens or so. That would be something serious for its size and 40 min runtime. I don't think 200 is enough.

Curtis
 
Thanks for your replies so far.

For the purposes of this survey, we're ignoring practical limitations. Clearly, thermal management/dissipation becomes much more of an issue the smaller you go.

The way I thought about this was: the SF L4 is my 24/7 EDC. It's small enough to become invisible and it's light is useful enough for any short range encounter. I can also chomp the tail between my teeth and rummage with both hands.

Sometimes, when I know I'll need more punch, I wouldn't mind being able to strap something the size of a Stinger onto my belt. So, it wouldn't be a genuine 24/7 EDC but would be the second most likely called for duty.

Wilkey
 
I'm with vacuum3d. For me, an EDC with 60 lumens (E2) is sufficient and I have a TL-3. A "mission carry" light that produces 500 lumens doesn't need to be small enough to pocket and there are times when that much light would be useful.

Still, an E2 sized, 200 lumen, light would be fun.
 
Oh, I'm such the wild card...more like, thinking out of the box, dreaming...kind of like js(where is js anyway?), but just that way after consuming mass quantities of drugs (do not try this at home, I'm a professional /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif ).

1st, well the 'JA Special' has the 500lumens Stinger covered /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif.

So that leaves the E2e size, me likey, me likey (really, I should wait until I'm coherent before doing these knee-jerk free thinking posts). I feel a high-five comin' on.

So with the E2e (didn't I mention this before?) we need to define bulb wants/needs, voltage, then appropriate power supply. I vote for the Carley 1499, cause it's T1.5 size, 385lumens, very high efficiency, not too much current draw at 2a, nice white and fleeting like a shining shooting star, and will give me that 1/2 way decent narrow beam I desire from a smaller head/reflector. You have not mentioned head/reflector size, bigger or optional turbohead is OK on the 500lm model, but we are intentionally limiting head/reflector size on the small form factor, yes?

Ok, we HAVE to consider thermal considerations in the small form factor. Carley 1499 is ~13w, so I propose dual purpose outputs. SF 10xLite, sort of. Now how do we incorporate 90 lumens Carley 888 at 0.7a and 3.7v, into this EDC? Both are T1.5 so can we put them both into the same head? Is there a way to mount them to rotate into the reflector for perfect filament centering in the same parabolic reflector? 90lumens low output for all the reasons other say 90 is enough, then short duration 385 lumens for when you need punch! One set of 10430 at 3.7v, Li-Ion of course like Doug S's 14430 smallest (YET) form factor LED. How many can be used parallel and series stack?. 3.7v twice for 7.4 to run the 1499,

Well, Ginny said he wanted to raise the bar correct? So I leave it to him to figure out how to do that in a E2E form factor. Would be nice if it could be regulated too, but 7.4v nominal for 2x Li-Ion doesn't provide high enough voltage for the smaller 2a limited SMD LVR from Willie Hunt correct?

Oh yeah, can you hurry up and finish this new light before next May? See, there's the 'JA Special' I need for previously explained reasons. Then there is this dual output E2e I need for...umm. Well, there's this HK born, very bilingual hottie that works at the local Dim Sum restaurant, and she graduates from university soon. Cantonese you know, skinny, like thinner and smaller than even Michelle Kwan! (Ok, Ginseng she's not jailbait either, went to England for HS, being in the LA area for almost 4years now, so she's almost JA age...almost "Old!" according to Jessica Simpson /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif. Such lovely little hands...a dual output E2e form factor would work perfectly for her. Ok, do we need Doug S's or some other's expertise to get this Li-Ion version done(it has to be safe and foolproof for a n00b, 10430's are too small to do much damage if they fail correct, like her Li-Ion cell phone battery can't do as much damage)?

Well Ginny said it was his thread, that it was implied HID was out (hmm, I wonder who was the inspiration for him to use that disclaimer?), but he didn't initially say cell chemistry was not on the table. Surely js & Ginny could see this thought process coming from my reviews of the 8AA-2D adapters /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif.
 
Could the E2E actually be the host? I think this would be a great light and a fantastic complement to the L4.
 
200 lumens in an E2E form?

That is gonna be one heck of a 'lightsaber' to carry for the 'Revenge of the Sith' (SWIII, but I guess I look forward to the saber more than the movie...)/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/popcorn.gif
 
I think the P91 might work in the E2e, strip the reflector and springs, put in 2 unprotected R123 and you (should) have 200 lumens.
 
E2e for 200 lumens? Wow! Just the right size to warm up the hands on a cold winter day/night. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Wilkey,

I've been doing a lot of thinking since our conversation yesterday, and I see your points regarding belt carry and output/runtime/size considerations. Very well considered, Wilkey. Again and again, you prove that your title as the INCAN MASTER is well deserved. I'm excited about the UHW-EDC and will be in no matter what you decide to do.

I didn't vote, because I really want BOTH! I want a rechargeable E2e-ish sized light in the 200 lumen range with a runtime of 15 minutes or better, and I also want a 500 lumen Stinger sized light as well. So whichever you decide to make, I'll go for it.

BTW, what did oodles say? Anything? I skipped over it as usual. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin07.gif j/k j/k oodles. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Hehe,

Now, now, let's play nice. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif What I didn't want to mention to Oodles was that I'm considering building an E2E-sized light that runs on a 5W HID microcapsule. Shhhhh /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

I have to admit, a 200-Lu E2E sized light would not have been my first choice but it does seem to catch the excitement of the "small -n- bright" crowd. Maybe the Powertorch R2 is worth taking another look see as a model.

In any case, I've been playing with batt pack setups, as you know, to try and find out what form factors can be driven by what pack sizes. As for the 500Lu range, the Stinger really seems to be the lower limit on size yet still provide at least 30 minutes of runtime. This design hinges on whether I can solicit a quote for a protected 2x26650 Li-Ion pack. This will drive the 550-Lu WA01274 for over 70 minutes.

Oh well, we'll wait and see.

BTW, Oodles,
Can you provide full specs on the CA1499. I must have missed the boat on that bulb. And do you think the WA01183 could be driven on 2 x protected R123s? Or did someone already suggest that? That would put 400 lumens in a 6P sized light. Yikes!

Wilkey
 
Hey hey, this is CPF, get both! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

But yeah, pocketable, concealed-carry works well in an E2e formfactor. Currently the closest thing that exists is the E2e with E2C adapter, C-series bezel, P91 and unprotected R123s. Unfortunately, Some Incidents can Happen with unprotected cells /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleye11.gif

A primary EDC must be small enough to fit into pockets and almost disappear. The secondary light can be Stinger sized, for when you need all the power, none of the compromises. Both have their places and either way, I'd be happy to see what you come up with. LEDs just don't cut it when you need lotsa light (>100 lumens) real quick.
 
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