Whats the brightest LED for SF 9P?

[AntMan]

Hi all. Was wondering if any 1can help me out? After sooo much reading, I've come to no conclusion of

"what is the brightest LED i can get for my surefire 9P."

I'm using an R2 at the moment and its fantastic but now I'm reading of "CREE MC-E" and "P7".

So whats the best out there?

Thanks!!

 

[dirtech]

There is no best, but what is the most useful to you. For me its M60 MCE warm.

Brightest? Check out http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=229135 for the numbers on the p60 drop ins.

 

[angelofwar]

Off the top of my head, not only the brightest, but the best all round (IMHO) would be the malkoff M-60. Oh, and :welcome:

 

[yuk]

How long a 9P with the M60 will run on full on primaries?

 

[angelofwar]

2.5 hours before dropping, and then a few hours of diminshing after that. I believe was the runtime...do a search on "M60 runtime 3 cell".

 

[AntMan]

Thanks guys.
And thanks for the welcome to CPF angelofwar.
I'm wrapped I've found others that share my passion

lovecpf

 

[AntMan]

:twothumbs Hi all,
I've been looking into this topic again and found a few other options since opening this topic. (next week will be probably be saying the same thing lol)

there are: P7, MC-E, SST-50, and SST-90!!

But the main issue is were can i get these p60 drop ins, preferably 9P (9v applications) and affordable.

Atm I've found:
*SST-50 on ebay (search SST-50 Solarforce on ebay) for $45.
*MC-E on ebay (search MCE Solarforce on ebay) for $47 including host.

Thanks

 

[csshih]

with those higher power led, you run into heat problems... meaning decreased output after a few seconds of runtime.

nailbender offers some very nice dropins -- go check out his sale threads!

 

[Duglum]

This.

 

[csshih]

^ win.

the efficacy of 3 XP-Gs is actually really high, so less heat produced, while still giving you lots of light!

 

[Bladedude]

I agree, if you want the best output/efficiency ratio go for the triple xpg led drop in. I have one and it puts out 700-800 OTF lumens on one 18650. For your setup it would do at least that with higher runtimes depending on the batteries. Look up triple xpg drop in on google and look at the options, they are expensive but if you get one you will NOT be dissapointed!:devil:

Be prepared to expect 10 mins or less of comfortable runtime (when hand doesn't burn from heat of flashlight body) on any of the high output drop-ins, with the triple xpg being most forgiving.

Good luck in your search.

 

[Echo63]

The oveready/moddoo triple is probably the brightest, ihave the warm version, and it is certainly bright.

Imagine a surefire l4 type "wall of light" beam profile, with the dial turned up to 11

It only really useful out to 50 yards in a normal urban environment, but it casts a nice wide spread of light so you can see everything.
I wish in had one a few years back when doing security work, would have been perfect, except for the occasional times I needed a long distance thrower

 

[Sgt. LED]

How long would your light be asked to run on a single activation?
5 minutes, 10, 30, an hour?

I like to advise from a standpoint of heat when this question is asked. The brightest thing may not be able to give constant output for how long you need. Remember heat kills. (I'd rule out the SST 90)

 

[PursuitSS]

http://www.tnvc.com/items/illumination_tools/tnvc_tx4_conversion_head.html

** Moderated: hotlinked (& oversized) image removed - Kestrel **

600 Lumens!!!

I run one of these on my Surefire M-962. The output has to be seen to be believed!

 

[Swedpat]

There is no best, but what is the most useful to you. For me its M60 MCE warm.

Brightest? Check out http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=229135 for the numbers on the p60 drop ins.

I also wonder about a really bright dropin for my 9P. Unfortunately I was too late to order M60 MCE before it became discontinued.

I want the brightest dropin for 9P which fulfils following demands:

*at least 1 hour stable output
*will run the entire runtime continuously without beeing overheated
*works good with primary CR123

Does such a dropin exist with 500lumens+?

Regards, Patric

 

[precisionworks]

I was too late to order M60 MCE before it became discontinued.

I just listed mine on BST for $105
** pointer link to personal WTS thread removed - Kestrel **

Sorry, Kestrel. I did not realize that this was not permitted & I will not do this again.

 

[Bladedude]

I also wonder about a really bright dropin for my 9P. Unfortunately I was too late to order M60 MCE before it became discontinued.

I want the brightest dropin for 9P which fulfils following demands:

*at least 1 hour stable output
*will run the entire runtime continuously without beeing overheated
*works good with primary CR123

Does such a dropin exist with 500lumens+?

Regards, Patric

Patric, i do not believe there is a drop in that can run 500+ lumens stable output for 1 hour straight without scarring your hand. 6p and 9p type hosts were not originally made to handle some of these high-output drop-ins on the market today simply because ther bezel is just not wide enough and doesn't have the surface area needed to effectively dissipate all the heat.
With that said it all depends on the ambient temperature and if the light will be seeing any wind ex.riding bike or running. If it will then you can run a triple xpg drop-in for an hour due to the wind dissipating the heat. However the triples don't play nice with cr123 primaries and require lithium rechargeables.
If I were you i would get 2 or 4 18500 lithium rechargeable batteries and a Moddoo triple xpg 3 mode drop-in. The rechargeables will save you money in the long run and you will not be dissapointed with the triple.:devil: You can run high setting for about 10+ mins depending and get about 900 OTF lumens or run it medium setting about 300 lumens for longer, or low setting.
The trade off for higher lumens is higher heat and less runtime.

Hope this helps.:thumbsup:

 

[Kestrel]

[...] you can run a triple xpg drop-in for an hour due to the wind dissipating the heat. However the triples don't play nice with cr123 primaries and require lithium rechargeables.

If I were you i would get 2 or 4 18500 lithium rechargeable batteries and a Moddoo triple xpg 3 mode drop-in. The rechargeables will save you money in the long run and you will not be dissapointed with the triple. :devil:

What Bladedude said. :thumbsup:

I have used my Moddoo Triple "1100" for full one hour runs on 2x18500 (in a SureFire C3) and it is simply awesome. It is described as having built-in thermal protection which is designed to throttle back its output if necessary.

One poster has said that he accidentally did a full bezel-down run with this module with no ill-effects, which is a rather brutal test of the hardware.

If any drop-in module would justify replacing a CR123 setup with a LiIon rechargeable setup, this would be the one.

If I had to be limited to CR123 primaries, I would go with a Malkoff M61W, which is extremely efficient for its rated output and would provide adequately long runtimes on 3xCR123. (In my experience, Gene Malkoff tends to underrate the runtimes of his modules, IMO their cited runtimes could be considered a 'minimum expected' for any specific configuration.)

 

[Swedpat]

Hi Bladedude, and thank you for your answer and suggestion!

Actually a while ago I read about this triple xpg, I guess it's the dropin you are talking about? Also read that primary CR123 will not manage the high drain and will be overheated.
Therefore I then thought that some 400-500lumens dropin maybe could work.

Also I consider to place a Malkoff M61W in the 9P and get 240lumens for 3 hours, but I am not sure yet.

Regards, Patric

 

[Swedpat]

What Bladedude said. :thumbsup:

I have used my Moddoo Triple "1100" for full one hour runs on 2x18500 (in a SureFire C3) and it is awesome. It is described as having built-in thermal protection which is designed to throttle back the output if necessary.

One poster had said that he did a full bezel-down run with this module by accident with no ill-effects, which is a rather brutal test of the hardware.

If any drop-in module would justify replacing a CR123 setup with a LiIon rechargeable setup, this would be the one. If I had to be limited to CR123 primaries, I would go with a Malkoff M61W, which is extremely efficient and provides considerably long runtimes on 3xCR123.

Interesting Kestrel, I sent my reply to Bladedude, without knowing you already gave this suggestion!