where to put beam to - in a survival situation?

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once again (not for the 1st time) there have some geeks been rescued here by helicopter crew, that noticed the glow from their cellular ...
makes me think:
I will have a light with me for sure. Most probably it will have a flashing mode.

How to set it up?
If straight into the sky, maybe the light is too tight, while the beam might be too weak to be seen far enough.
If into one direction, there might be help at the other three sides.

So how about pointing it DOWN?
Thus, an area of the ground will be illuminated and that can be seen from everywhere.
:thinking:
Has this been thought over already?
 
I think it's a good idea. Maybe improve it with something like a sign saying "SOS" or something that you are illuminating with your marker strobe.
But even better would be something that flashes 360 degrees.
It should be very bright, and i believe there are some specialty lights that do this.
like this: http://www.atstacticalgear.com/istar.asp?a=6&id=ACR-3990!026
 
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If the helicopter lookout is using night vision then I'd think any light at all would be sufficient in an otherwise darkened area. I have a Gen3 monocular and a lit cigarette looks like a spotlight at a hundred yards. When I feel the need for carrying an emergency signaling device I carry my green laser. A hunting guide saw mine at a measured distance of six miles last year in New Brunswick. I was on the side of a mountain and he was driving to pick me up after dark. I had hiked across a valley and was on a completely different logging road than the one I was supposed to be on. I shined the beam towards the headlights and he said it looked like a searchlight shining towards him. It saved me from spending the night alone in the wilderness. I'm glad you brought this up. I'm interested to see what others say. I also have an Inova 24/7 I think would be great for what you describe. (I just responded without checking to see what forum this was in, sorry for mentioning the laser in the wrong forum. My bad.)
 
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I'd just aim the flashlight (HIDs and laser signalling are a topic in the spotlight forum) at the aircraft or boat and signal SOS with ... --- ... flashes. Flashlights that do this automatically would be handy, but more important is the brightness of the light. If there isn't an aircraft or boat in sight, conserve battery power--perhaps using a fire or signal mirror to provide a non-depletable signal until a rescuer is spotted.
 
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ConstableScott,
Was the laser you were using 5mW? If so, I'm impressed by the distance you were able to signal from.
 
I would not use the Red diffuser on my Fenix - the white light would be seen from a much greater distance -

Marine regs call out for Inland Waters that a high intensity white light flashing at regular intervals from 50 to 70 times per minute is a standard distress signal - however white flashing lights ( mostly strobes ) are also used for personal locating beacons for someone that falls overboard - so the light would probably also be investigated in International rules waters.

I would stay away from the fancy IR beacons for civilian use - many SAR folks are regular people that don't have the fancy IR goggles - the IR stuff used by the military is to not alert the other side to where you are.

I have strobes similar to the link above on all my PFD's for use on the water - for hiking I would probably put my Fenix L2D in a pocket with a few spare batteries.

Or if you want to really go "Find me I am here" within 15 ft or so look at the new Personal Locating Beacons that put a signal out on 406 Mhz. They have a serial number that references to you and your contact information that the SAR ( Search and Rescue ) center can call and see if you are really out hiking in the woods. A word of caution the 406 beacons cost a few hundred dollars ( about $500- last I looked )

mb
 
Hello Yellow,

I have recently been playing with, and checking out the PowerFlare. 190 g, waterproof to 80 feet, runs off of a CR123 cell, and will signal SOS for 24 hours on 1 battery. It also comes in a variety of LED colors, including IR.

I also have a Greatland Rescue Laser (red) for emergency signaling.

I believe the best way to get attention is to shine your light at who you want to see it, and wave it back and forth. This "flickering" draws attention to your position.

In the wilderness, I am not sure shinning your light on the ground would attract the same attention. When people are hiking in the woods, they tend to illuminate the ground as they walk. Someone "signaling" for help needs to do something different to be noticed.

Tom
 
Yes it was a 5mw. Maybe we should have taken into consideration all the distance we were racking up on the tripometer driving back on the curvy mountain roads while measureing the distance. Perhaps I should have said it was a measured drive, not as the eagle flies straight. It was still miles and we'll both tell the story around the card table the same way back at camp. It's still impressive and many bear hunters have bought green lasers (from me) because of that story.
 
I would imagine flailing it around like a crazy person so that it appears as flashing and lighting up a decently large area would attract the most attention.
 
There have been other threads like this in the past and are probably search-able.

Basically we'll assume that you are trying to signal people who might not be looking for you since the situation is often that an emergency has cropped up right then and there, and there has not been enough time for a formal search to be mounted. Example: you are back country skiing and you've hurt your knee and cannot move and it's getting toward dusk. You see people moving about 3 miles across the valley.

First thing is that the light has to be powerful enough to be seen. Filters and diffusers lower the output so you probably want to avoid them in the early stages.

Second, a steady beam does not attract as much attention as a change in the light as others see it, either a sweeping beam or flashing whether an SOS or just on and off. There has been a lot of debate about the SOS feature on some flashlights as there are a lot of people who don't know anything about Morse code even including a simple SOS. The upshot of that debate was that any change in the light as seen by others got noticed a lot more than a steady beam. Using up a lot of energy by whipping the light back and forth even if you are not certain there is anyone in the area will waste your energy. I would think that letting a light that flashes do the work for you is smarter. Conserving your energy is an important survival skill.

Third, if the light does not work, you are in deep, deep do-do. Spare batteries or a spare light are light weight enough to make sense in almost any situation.

After you have been missing awhile, if you have let people know where you were going and when they should have expected to hear from you (you did perform that simple and basic task, didn't you? If not you should now be hearing Fred Sandford saying, "You big dummy!"), a search should be underway. Helicopters and the like are probably going to be coming later rather than sooner, but even so, a bright, sweeping or flashing light is again going to attract attention sooner and easier than a steady beam. The crews on the ground might not be able to see as large an area as someone in the air, but the folks in the air have a lot more to look at and that makes you a smaller needle in a bigger haystack. The guys on the ground have a smaller area to examine and your light should stand out better. However, a light shining into the air will have a different interpretation than one seen as being shined on the ground, right?
 
A bright, pulsing green laser would be a better choice than a flashlight IMO. Rescuers are far more likely to notice a green beam that shoots into the sky than the glow from a flashlight.
 
A bright, pulsing green laser would be a better choice than a flashlight IMO. Rescuers are far more likely to notice a green beam that shoots into the sky than the glow from a flashlight.

Unless that glow is from the Maxablaster...
 
Unfortunately using a pocket laser (if available) or pointing a light towards the rescue personell, means that someone is still able to do so. And of course it would make sense to alert them "by hand", if one notices where they are.

Was thinking more of a situation, where this wont be possible for whatever reason.
 
If you can't turn on a switch you are in real trouble. If you can't wave a light etc then about your only choice is a Personal Locating Beacon on 406 Mhz. In the $500 to $600 range or a bit more but the signal goes to a satellite and then to a SAR center. It will locate you to an area about the size of a city lot depending on the EPIRB you have. The laws are slowly changing to allow non-marine use of the locating beacons. Depending on where the satellites are a bit over 100 min until the signal is processed by an earth station.

mb
 
I don't know why I didn't think of this earlier...

The good old ACR Firefly Plus. Very easily operated and very noticeable. Best of all it will not break the bank, operates on common batteries, and is light weight and durable.

Note: there are other models of the Firefly and some of those are more expensive (but still usually less than $100 USD) and while the Plus uses AA batteries, some of the lithium batteries used in other models are expensive (about $40 and up). Just do your homework.
 
http://www.kaidomain.com/WEBUI/ProductDetail.aspx?TranID=3197

what about one of these?
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Light a fire. Visible in the daytime (smoke), visible at night, visible via infrared, and keeps you warm plus you can cook that squirrel you just caught.
 
Light a fire. Visible in the daytime (smoke), visible at night, visible via infrared, and keeps you warm plus you can cook that squirrel you just caught.


That's the funniest thing I have ever heard...

Someone from Irvine, California recommending a fire to attract attention!

You'll probably get plenty of attention from those affected by the wild fires in 2007. That would include the many hundreds who lost homes, several hundred thousand people evacuated in San Diego, the several million people affected by the intense smoke, soot, and ash in the counties of Los Angeles, Orange, San Bernadino, San Diego, Ventura, etc..



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