Which should I get? E2 or 6Z?

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i want a small bright flashlight that i could carry around everywhere? pro's and con's?

thanks

 

[Joe Talmadge]

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i want a small bright flashlight that i could carry around everywhere? pro's and con's?

thanks

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For carry around everywhere, the E2 wins easily for me. It's much smaller than the 6Z. It puts out the same amount of light as the 6Z/P60, but puts it out for longer. The 6Z can be had with the brighter P61 lamp, but that doesn't make up for the E2's huge carryability advantage.

The 6Z will have a big advantage, in my opinion, as a dedicated defensive light for use with a handgun. Once you try the 6Z with Rogers technique, you'll never go back to Harries

So it's a 6Z that sits in my quick-open safe with my firearm. It will be the E2 I carry around with me.

Joe

 

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ok, cool thanks

where'd you get the E2 from?

 

[Bucky]

I may be wrong, but I am pretty sure that no one has one quite yet except Brock. It looks like they should be shipping around the end of February.

Two great places to pre-order from are http://www.brightguy.com and Tim Flanagan who can be reached by email at [email protected] . I have had great luck with both sources

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Oh and I would get the E2 as well. I think that a smaller and lighter weight flashlight is always better, especially when brightness is about equal. Plus from the pics that Brock has posted, the beam of the E2 look more circular like the E1, which I think is better than the oval beam found on the P60 lamp of the 6Z.

Bucky

 

[Size15's]

While I too will be gettin the E2, it will be for a totally different use to the new M2.

For me, the E2 is a constant-carry flashlight whilst the the M2 will only go out at night. As the M2 usually uses the P61, I can see myself carrying the E2 as well.

The times when I carry the E1 rather than the E2 will be due to clothing unless suitable hosters are also available.

Al

 

[Brock]

After having the E2 the size is great. I find myself not even knowing I have it attached to my jeans, it is a lot lighter. I think that is going to be the big plus, like a photon where you can carry it all the time and it isn't a problem. It's smaller than a 2 AA mag about the size of a thick 2 AAA mag.

Brock

 

[Joe Talmadge]

Right, I don't have an E2 yet.

I know about the E2's brightness because I've seen the pics that Brock (I think it was) helpfully posted. I know about the size because there are several sites around that have the E2 right next to a 6P or M2.

I'm simulating the usefulness as a true tactical light by trying to do Rogers technique with the E1, or just as applicable, with a 2-AA minimag (though obviously there's no switch in back). No contest versus doing Rogers with the M2 or 6Z. As dedicated handgun lights, there's nothing that compares to them. Unless it's the M3 or 9Z

Joe

 

[Bucky]

Brock, now after having the E2 for a while and being able to use it more, do you have any more thoughts on the beam as compared to the P60? Do they pretty much serve the same purpose and illuminate the same area?

Also, if memory serves, you said that the Scorpion may be a tad brighter than the E2. Since the E2 is supposedly rated at 60 lumens as compared to the 65 lumen P60, do you think that the 5 lumen difference is noticeable? I guess I have been hoping that the brightness of the P60 and the E2 lamp would almost indistinguishable, I hope the E2 is not considerably less bright.

Bucky

 

[Brock]

Yes, I think the E2 fit's in the same place I was using my D2 with a P60 lamp. It has a slightly larger (rounder) beam. I would say if the P60 was circular, this is what it would be. This also might be why it seems a bit dimmer, spreading the light over more area.

As far as the brightness compared to the Scorpion or the P60, they are all very close. I would put them in this order though, P60, Scorpion, E2. But I think most people couldn't tell the brightness difference if you flashed them one at a time at a wall, probably not even me. I could tell by beam quality, which is which. They are all very close in brightness though. Psychology the E2 seem brighter because it is so much smaller, you just don't expect that much light from such a small light.

I know this will come up so here it is. The odd thing about the E2 is it almost feels to small to hold. Some people complained about the E1 being to small to hold in the Rogers style, this might be the case for the E2. If you have really big hands it might be more of an issue, or of you just like a bigger light. I think I will soon not be able to carry a D2 after I get used to the size of the E2.

Brock

 

[Bucky]

Thanks for your reply Brock.

A super bright light that is almost too small to hold - that's that kind of problem I want to have in my hands - SOON

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Any thoughts on the runtime difference so far between the E2 and P60? Can you notice the extra 15 minutes of quoted runtime?

Many thanks,

Bucky

 

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man.....i want one already!!!

 

[Brock]

I did a run time test and The E2 was 68 min, but I had played with it a little before that. I will do another one, new batteries side by side and let everyone know. I can say the P60 pulls 5.3 watts and the E1 was pulling 5 watts. So I would guess a 6% increase in run time over the P60, but a smaller load on the battery might reduce internal resistance, but not much, maybe another 1%. So if the P60 was 60 min I would expect 66 min on the E2. But again real time testing will say for sure.

Brock

 

[Bucky]

Thanks for wasting a set of 123A's just for us Brock

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I might be wrong, but it seems that when SureFire quotes a runtime of 75 minutes most likely that means that only after several attempts was 75 minutes able to be met in the testing of the light. So I would think that about 70 minutes or so might be the real runtime on average.

Also, I was wondering about the refelector and lamps of the E series lights. The non-E series lights have the lamp fixed to the reflector, but ironically it seems that both the beam of the E1 and E2 produce great circular beams whereas lamps like the P60 really do not. Any thoughts on this? Maybe a fixed reflector/lamp is not the way to go?

Bucky

 

[Size15's]

The E1 & E2 have reflectors built into the Bezel.

The M3, M3T, M4 & M6 and all the KT's too.
The 9AN and 10X also have reflectors built into the Bezel.

If you have a new 9AN with a KT3, does this become a "9ANT"?!

From personal experience, the P60 beams can be knocked out of focus (although I've knocked a P60 subtly back into focus with a delicate whack). The M3T and M6 beams have never become unfocused.

I think this reflector in Bezel is better for the flashlights with larger reflectors. It also helps that there is now a Spares Carrier to keep save the Lamp Modules without reflectors...