Wicked's Photonic Disruptor - Reviewed

lazerlover

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Has anyone else got one of these yet? They seem to be marketed as a laser weapon but I'm sure you could use these just like a normal pointer as well, how does it work in flashlight mode?
 

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I'm working with a couple here. You can widen the beam or narrow it with a threaded and sealed outer lens element. It burns up close in BOTH modes so you still need to show caution. I posted some images last week but will be running out some recaps shortly and will be testing the units in an ocean environment underwater for the camera shortly. Guess we'll see how much the seals can handle beyond 12 inches or so (probably won't last!) Works fine in a wet environment as Wondergimp has shown.

At 'wide' and over 20 feet away, it is VERY distracting if it plays across your vision. However, I can't stress this strongly enough: DON'T point a laser at anyone or any vehicle... ever! The wider beam makes this laser ideal for signalling.
 

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Nice review, but I still don't get what makes it so special... :stupid: OK, it is focusable, and water... resistant, or proof? And... :shrug: what I can drop kick it? I'm confussed...
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It's a 100mW Water-Sealed (for exposure and minimum immersion) green 532nm laser with a diffusion-to-focused aperture cap. You can take it to the jungle and use it to signal your rescuers if you get lost. Or you can take it out to sea and signal a passing ship as you float amongst the pitiful debris of your yacht.

It's also marketed as a 'safer alternative' defensive device since in 'Wide' mode it's considered "safe". I've tried it. Don't do it. It sucks if you make a mess of things.
As per usual, don't point lasers and people or vehicles. Including yourself. Although the wider beam on this laser makes it a fairly safe signaling light. - Unless you forget to turn the aperture cap, in which case you'll be spanked..or worse.
 

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It's a 100mW Water-Sealed (for exposure and minimum immersion) green 532nm laser with a diffusion-to-focused aperture cap. You can take it to the jungle and use it to signal your rescuers if you get lost. Or you can take it out to sea and signal a passing ship as you float amongst the pitiful debris of your yacht.

It's also marketed as a 'safer alternative' defensive device since in 'Wide' mode it's considered "safe". I've tried it. Don't do it. It sucks if you make a mess of things.
As per usual, don't point lasers and people or vehicles. Including yourself. Although the wider beam on this laser makes it a fairly safe signaling light. - Unless you forget to turn the aperture cap, in which case you'll be spanked..or worse.

Wicked is trying to cash in on the use of green lasers for crowd and traffic control, and for target designation in firefights in Iraq.

One of the main issues is traffic control. There are rules of engagment, and someone not responding or trying to speed through a checkpoint is ASSUMED to be a car-bomber or group of terrorists trying to run a blockade and they get shot. (And by shot, I mean the car is subjected to several long strings of fully automatic weapons fire.)

The problem is that very often, innocent drivers are in "Third World Mode", where it's anything goes to get you from point A to point B. And this behavior has caused innocents to speed twoards or run through Iraqi and American military checkpoints with tragic results.

Somewhere along the way, someone figured out that a green laser pointer on the windshield was an excellent way of getting the attention of zany Middle-Eastern drivers before you had to shoot them. If you can't see, it's natural for most people to instinctively start slowing down. It's possible some units were bought directly by whatever process military units use to officialy aquire ad-hock equipment, the soldiers individually, or their families, from Wicked in the early 2003-2004 heyday of the green pointer's arrival as mass-merchandise on the "scene".

Later, the military got bid proposals, and there's now dedicated mil-spec purpose built signaling and distraction green laser products NOT provided by Wicked.
 

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I've seen a few Wicked lasers held by ground troops in Iraq in recent years and used as deterrents and literally as pointers. Road flares were standard fare along with warning shots where possible...even now. You are correct in that the locals just open up their engines when trying to get someplace. By speeding they avoid road bombers with slow reflexes and other criminal activities rife in their countries.

/Was married to an Aussie soldier - met her in the first Persian Gulf War.
/Not going back there.

Wondergimp: Nice pics!
 

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I just read on the news that 2 unarmed Armenian Christians got their car shot 40 times by some private contractor security guards. If they only had one of these, this could have been prevented. At the same time, I think the situation in Iraq is not pretty, the security guards probably just got a little scared, one of them preemptively opened fire and just got carried away. The army officially uses the BE Meyer GDB series lasers, however, there is controversy surrounding the fact why they only purchase BE Meyers products.
 

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The army officially uses the BE Meyer GDB series lasers, however, there is controversy surrounding the fact why they only purchase BE Meyers products.

What's the controversy and where did you read it ?
 

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REVIEW OF LASER DAZZLER USED BY MARINES IN IRAQ CITES SAFETY ISSUES
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Date: August 23, 2007

A recent review of a non-lethal laser weapon that Marines in Iraq use to temporarily blind seemingly threatening individuals has underscored the need for stricter safety procedures, according to the Marine Corps Center for Lessons Learned.

The device in question is the B.E. Meyers GBD-IIIC model of the laser dazzler, the only such system approved for use in Iraq by the Navy Laser Safety Review Board. Other systems with the same purpose are used by the Army and special operations troops.

The GBD-IIIC is designed to provide a green laser beam that can be pulsed like a strobe by Marines conducting convoy operations and manning vehicle check points, entry control points and perimeter security positions.

Reports of "possible eye injuries to users resulting from employment of the GBD-IIIC" led the Marine Corps Center for Lessons Learned to develop a questionnaire for deployed units concerning the performance and safety of the laser dazzler, according to an internal newsletter issued this month by the center. The survey results, which have since informed the center's updated report on the GBD-IIIC, are summarized in the newsletter.

"The consensus of those surveyed was that the GBD-IIIC is effective in preventing escalation of force (EOF) incidents, but that there are possible safety issues," the center writes.

Attached to the report is guidance on the employment of lasers from the Multi-National Force-West (MNF-W) Safety Officer.

"The document notes that there have been several incidents in which coalition forces have been accidentally 'lased', but no reports of permanent eye injuries," the newsletter says.

MNF-W spokesman Lt. Shawn Mercer said that statement is accurate.

Capt. Teresa Ovalle, a spokeswoman for the Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Directorate in Quantico, VA, said the directorate is "unaware of any substantiated eye injuries due to GBD-IIIC use."

Bruce Westcoat, vice president for business development at B.E. Meyers, said he is not aware of any incidents in which there were eye injuries caused by the GBD-IIIC. He also said he is not aware of any incidents in which coalition forces have been accidentally lased by the device. Westcoat stressed the system is saving lives in Iraq by giving troops an alternative to lethal force when seeking to deter vehicles from approaching.

The survey found that while the GBD-IIIC is "non-lethal," a number of survey respondents said it should still be treated as a weapon.

"Several suggested that the laser should initially be pointed at the flank of the vehicle, then on the hood, and only on the windshield after prior actions failed to cause the vehicle to stop," the newsletter says.

Once the laser hits a vehicle's windshield, it lights up the entire interior of the vehicle, according to an unnamed military policeman quoted by the center.

Many divergent opinions were expressed by the survey respondents concerning the utility of the laser dazzler, but there were also common themes in the responses, according to the center.

"The device is not a toy and Marines should be conscious of eye safety," the newsletter says. "Marines should not shine the dazzler in anyone's face within 114 meters for ten consecutive seconds."

MNF-W is developing a standing operational procedure (SOP) for the laser dazzler that addresses safety, training and employment.

"It is recognized that the use of laser dazzler devices can be an important tool in avoiding unnecessary EOF incidents on individuals who pose no threat to coalition forces; however, the potential hazards of their use must be mediated through accountability, training and employment of strict SOPs," the center writes.

Mercer declined to discuss the SOP, citing operational security.

Ovalle confirmed the directorate has sent information such as testing and evaluation documents and user evaluations to MNF-W to assist in the development of the SOP.

Units surveyed said sufficient quantities of the GBD-IIIC should be issued so they are available for every convoy. Several of the respondents rated the effectiveness of the device's ability to cause drivers to stop their vehicles at 75 to 100 percent.

It was generally agreed the dazzler is more effective at night and it is difficult to aim during daylight hours. The daytime range is only 500 feet (with a visible dot only), while at night the range is about 10,000 feet (with the dot and beam visible). These distances can be severely curtailed in heavy dust or fog.

The survey found Marines should be given the flexibility, within defined parameters, to decide the most appropriate means of de-escalating a specific situation by choosing among the resources available, including the laser dazzler, pyrotechnics and flags.

Iraqis should be educated on the meaning of the device as it pertains to escalation of force, participants noted. Without this education via radio or notices, the use of the dazzler could initially increase the likelihood of escalating incidents instead of de-escalating them, the review found.

Survey participants also said Marines need to be trained on the device regardless of their position in the convoy, because an individual's role in a convoy can change.

This year, there has been debate within the Marine Corps about whether Marines should instead use a competing product called the Compact High Power Laser Dazzler (CHPLD), made by LE Systems, which contends military testing shows its product is in some ways safer. Marine officials in Iraq specifically requested the CHPLD in 2005 and 2006. But other Marine officials in Quantico, VA, procured the GBD-IIIC instead and have stood by that decision. And, in February, the Navy Laser Safety Review Board refused to approve the CHPLD system.

One of the of deficiencies cited in the board's report on the CHPLD system is an "eye hazard distance" of 121 meters. "This is assuming a 10-second exposure duration rather than the typical 0.25 second exposure duration based on the intended use of the system," the Navy board's report says.

In April, Lt. Gen. James Amos, head of Marine Corps Combat Development Command, responded to complaints raised by Titus Casazza, president of LE Systems, with a letter that defends the decisions about the CHPLD made by Marine acquisition officials and the Navy board.

In May, Casazza accused Marine acquisition officials of anticompetitive practices and complained to Marine Corps System Command that officials were attempting to impose unachievable requirements on CHPLD.

Casazza told ITP he asked to consult with Marine Corps technical experts but has not heard back from the service. He said some Marine officials had lied by saying his company had been given funding to make improvements to the CHPLD and that LE Systems had not provided the service with certain information.

Other U.S. military personnel in Iraq use the CHPLD, but the Marines do not, said Mercer. Although Marines in Iraq initially purchased 28 CHPLD systems to meet an urgent requirement, they were prohibited from using those systems. Instead, Marine Corps Systems Command fielded the GBD-IIIC.

According to the center, at least three other laser dazzler systems besides the GBD-IIIC have been used in Iraq that have not been approved by the Navy and Marine Corps.

Many of these laser dazzler devices are available as commercial off-the-shelf items, the newsletter says, noting procurement of these devices can make it very difficult to maintain accountability and formulate proper training and tactics, techniques, and procedures.

Ovalle said the non-lethal directorate is aware there are "other models of optical distractors in theater." Each service can procure its own equipment through various acquisition processes to meet the essential needs for its mission, she said. -- Christopher J. Castelli
 

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lazerlover ... as this seems to be a quote from somewhere else ... please review the rules about quoting external sources and edit your post accordingly.
Thanx.
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lazerlover ... as this seems to be a quote from somewhere else ... please review the rules about quoting external sources and edit your post accordingly.
Thanx.
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I took a look but did not see anything specific towards quoting. Can you explain why quoting a document is forbidden or point to the specific text
 

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Rule #5:
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/Rules.html#articles

It is a copyright thing and not specific to CPF.

We can circumvent the restriction of copyrighted material (which is basically all material) by quoting a few lines and linking to the original source.

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Do NOT post the entire article on CPF! 9 times out of 10, this would be an infringement on copyright.
Bernhard this is a government document and is exempt from copy right laws here in the USA. Any citizen can freely use this document in part or whole as they see fit. This is that 10th time out of 9.
 

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The army officially uses the BE Meyer GDB series lasers, however, there is controversy surrounding the fact why they only purchase BE Meyers products.

bemeyers is the only company to satisfy the safety requirements for DOD contracts. It has to match OSHA reqs which are very stringent AND they have to pay for testing. BEmeyers is an American company so that helps them fullfill things easier and do lobbying, plus there's incentives to use american companies for contracts. even though the bemetyers stuff is 10K+ a pop. Biggest discount I can get through dod contracting with my grants for ONR is 3% off of the 10K list price. which is absurd since the bemeyers stuff is just a laser with a telescope/binoculars attached. lets not get into just how bad their website sucks.

other companies have tried to get their products out there, and a few shipped products but the contracts were dropped because they never finished the safety reviews or didn't meet specs or they got out-politicized.
 

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