will NiMH reverse charge?

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Just wondering if the Eneloops in my TK-40 have the potential to reverse charge if one of 'em drains or is otherwise defective or improperly charged.

I saw a thread somewhere in which 4sevens said something about how he would not use 8 AA's in series again because of reverse charging or overheating or something like that.

Anyone remember? So whats the scoop on 8x Eneloops?

thanks
 
It's actually 4S2P, but that's beside the point. Yes, eneloops can and will reverse charge if one in the series string goes empty. Depending on the TK40's low voltage protection, this may actually never happen. The only cells that will not reverse charge are protected Li ion cells since the protection circuit will cut off the cell until it is placed in the charger.
 
Refer first to Lolzertanks actual description of the TK40. 4S2P, which the bigest problem there is stuffing the batteries themselves in wrong to begin with.

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anytime a cell in a series set quits putting out power, AND the load is acting resistive, the power of the other cells is connected to it ( so to speak) so the other cells can push the low cell backwards, just like it is pushing energy into whatever device your using.

so lets Redraw the reality of a series battery connection to stimulate the viewing of this phenomena, which will allow the user to picture the possibilites better.

|--{===]---{===]---{===]---{===]---{===]--|
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this is how we always observe the series connection to @ being say a ican bulb load.
our brain pictures the Load being the one that gets the power of All the batteries going to it.

same thing here, same connection.
+|--{===]---{===]---{===]---{===]---{===]---@---|+ from battery top

now i am going to trick your brain

|--{===]---{===]---@---{===]---{===]--|
|------------------[===}-----------------|
this is the same connection.

confused yet :)

as you can see the batteries are Each in the same Loop that the load is in. like that Bulb that was Glowing white from power roaring through it.

as long as the battery is part of the power going OUT , then the cells are all slamming the load.

any battery that is no longer putting out any power :-(
can be subjected to the same stuff that the poor Incan bulb is going through .
|--{===]---{===]---@---{===]---{===]--|
|------------------[000}------------------|


now you understand?
this doesn't only apply to resistive loads, anytime the load is still drawing on the curcuit, be it a driver, or series leds, or a boom box, or anything that still keeps the flow going, after one cell is fully depleated.

because one cell is no longer putting out power, the voltage on the series set has dropped significantly, so reduced voltage by default reduces some of the current, unless there is current control.

often the battery subjected to reverse charge doesnt nessiarily show any negative charge metered numbers after pulled, the battery that gets nailed, is the one that will read 0V. Sometimes it Will read negative numbers but it doesnt have to ,to have been the one that got nailed. A battery that got reverse charged could also still read a low positive voltage, but it probably wasnt severly reverse charged.

i always wanted to draw that up, so my brain could wrap around it, and now i have.
 
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I guess what I'm really interested in knowing is if my TK-40 feeding on Eneloops has any chance of venting, burning, exploding and burning my house down.

:)
 
Nimhs in series are generally safe. If you're draining them beyond 1v, then you can have the concern of reversing a cell. Don't drain them completely and you're golden.

This is also part of the reason that you always see 'do not mix battery types' on electronic devices.
 
Nimhs in series are generally safe. If you're draining them beyond 1v, then you can have the concern of reversing a cell. Don't drain them completely and you're golden.

This is also part of the reason that you always see 'do not mix battery types' on electronic devices.

Hi sparkysko,

A question I have about what you are saying: I know that you must not overdischarge NiMh cells. But if a light doesn't have a protection, is it possible to know when to turn off a light in time?
I heard that I shall turn off and recharge when I notice that the brightness diminishes. But with a stepless decrease of the brightness it may during many situations need a halvening of the brightness before I really think: "oh, is it dimmer now?". 10-20% difference will not be noticable without a side-by-side comparison.
If I use 1,2V NiMh cells, how much will the brightness decrease when voltage is 1V?
I understand the brightness cannot be proportional to the voltage in this case, because we should then notoriously damage our NiMh batteries with every light without a protection.

Regards, Patric
 
I guess what I'm really interested in knowing is if my TK-40 feeding on Eneloops has any chance of venting, burning, exploding and burning my house down.
A venting event may pop the switch boot or lens, but NiMH venting is much more subdued than li-ion, if it even occurs at all.

If a NiMH cell fails catastrophically, the damage will most likely be harm to nearby cells (possibly also a chain reaction), some melting of the plastic battery carrier, and electrolyte goop regurgitated all over inside the battery tube.

It's really hard to reverse NiMH cells like this if they're even close to balanced, though. Most failures are going to be from shorts or people putting them in backwards.
 
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