Will the Raidfire Photon Monster turn us all into giggling shoolgirls also?

[Rzr800]

As an obvious newbie; I have to say that I am simply fascinated with the overall response to this brand new company Edgetac (coming seemingly out of nowhere) and their home run batting percentage with these two new lights (Defender Infinity/Spear ThrowMaster).

Is this 'normal' in the flashaholic world in terms of fairly decent money instantly flying around to chase this stuff sometimes sight unseen...or have I indeed seen nothing yet...if this 1500 lumen monster oo: is say unleashed out of the cage over the holiday weekend? (IMO, I'd go ''paypal confirmed only" on that one...if only to gather some lab-rat-like market data on pure human obsessiveness in relation to proper pricepoint/availiability that companies are rarely in a position like this to observe).

With the bigger question for me being...what in the heck does this 1500 lumen wallet sucking ******* have to look like (spec.-wise)...before both I and all you other idiots out there make these 3 lights possibly the biggest industry splash in the 21st century? (or would that statement be an exaggeration considering, say, a 'monster' release within acceptable parameters/price range before Christmas?).

As mentioned; I'm a greener than green newbie who may not understand that these kind of 'big 3' releases happen all the time...so go easy on me!

 

[Phaetos]

As an obvious newbie; I have to say that I am simply fascinated with the overall response to this brand new company Edgetac (coming seemingly out of nowhere) and their home run batting percentage with these two new lights (Defender Infinity/Spear ThrowMaster).

Is this 'normal' in the flashaholic world in terms of fairly decent money instantly flying around to chase this stuff sometimes sight unseen...or have I indeed seen nothing yet...if this 1500 lumen monster oo: is say unleashed out of the cage over the holiday weekend? (IMO, I'd go ''paypal confirmed only" on that one...if only to gather some lab-rat-like market data on pure human obsessiveness in relation to proper pricepoint/availiability that companies are rarely in a position like this to observe).

With the bigger question for me being...what in the heck does this 1500 lumen wallet sucking ******* have to look like (spec.-wise)...before both I and all you other idiots out there make these 3 lights possibly the biggest industry splash in the 21st century? (or would that statement be an exaggeration considering, say, a 'monster' release within acceptable parameters/price range before Christmas?).

As mentioned; I'm a greener than green newbie who may not understand that these kind of 'big 3' releases happen all the time...so go easy on me!

Please refresh my memory as to information about this 1500 lumen monster ...

 

[uh1c]

Is it just me or does this come off as a sales posting?

 

[Rzr800]

Please refresh my memory as to information about this 1500 lumen monster ...

http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/showthread.php?t=170991

"..In addition, within short term, we are going to have other pre-order activities for two new kinds of products of our second brand RaidFire®: Throw Master--- RaidFire® SpearTM and RaidFire® Photon MonsterTM with Maximum Output of 1500 lumens, more discounts for great lights, please stay tuned on CPFMP for our updates.."

 

[Rzr800]

Is it just me or does this come off as a sales posting?

Understandable...yet I'm simply fascinated as to how these first two lights have taken off like wildfire...with yet another supposed 'breakthrough' ready to take stage in the wings.

I started my research as to what was availiable in today's market when I first started coming here maybe a week or so ago...got caught up in that first Nitecore thread...and am now in $220 for I'm not sure what and would probably pull the trigger yet again for this 'monster' because (heaven help me) 'I don't know' why.
This whole buy seems to be a study in human nature at the very least....and I simply wanted to know what in the heck this next light had to look; feel and spec. out at to illicit the same (seemingly) 'wild' reaction that we've witnessed to date with very little offered up front to go on.

 

[savumaki]

Is it just me or does this come off as a sales posting?

Hmmmmmm; I'm not sure.

 

[Rzr800]

C'mon guys, although I fully understand your suspicions...I'm just another wondering aloud if indeed this is what "flashaholicism" is all about.

Again, I've just never seen anything like this for 3 new product introductions in a row and respect your opinions on what is the latest and greatest (or worth taking a chance on) vs this newbie's...:welcome:

 

[Daekar]

I think you're right when it comes to the Edgetac sales threads and what analysis of human nature we could glean from them - it essentially comes down to marketing. At the time that we were all happily sending off PP in large quantities, we had no proof except a fairly eloquent sales pitch and few pictures that could've easily been mockups. It's a darn good thing more people aren't dishonest, is all I can say. Will we turn into giggling schoolgirls when they announce the release of the 1500 lumen photon monster? I think that depends on how good the pictures and the flowery talk will be...

 

[Rzr800]

"..It's a darn good thing more people aren't dishonest, is all I can say..."

That's about the extent of life in a nutshell; as I guess that you certainly don't do these kind of things (send in this kind of money) if you don't at least look at some of these glasses as being half full.
The other thing was...I have no idea what the competition even is out there at 1500 lumens (my M6 was obviously 500 lumens at $400) and I've only seen what I think was a HID(?) "Wolf Eyes" (along with some other animal name) at I think 1000 lumens (or a bit more) at $800 somewhere.
What type of bulb would they be talking here most likely and where would they be coming in at 'pricewise' to trip everybody's trigger? (maybe not necessarily a subject that we should be talking about right now for "timing's" sake; yet one has to imagine that they're not going to deliver a "me too" clone in that market as a newcomer).

 

[djblank87]

Is it just me or does this come off as a sales posting?

Sorry Rzr800, I wish I could throw up a :welcome: sign and show you the door with open arms but there is something very sneaky about your posting style and really I do not think anyone is buying it. :ironic:

You have come in here very recently and throw up a a thread about a light that is fairly new in the market place. And then you bring up the following:

"I've only seen what I think was a "Wolf Eyes" (some other animal name) at I think 1000 lumens (or a bit more) at $800 somewhere".

Like you do not want to nail it right on the head and state Wolf Eyes so you drop in "some other animal name". :thinking:


Lucky only time will tell and either one of the following will happen:

1. Your a straight foward person and I will owe you a major, I'm sorry and please forgive me.

or

2. You will be exposed and then taken care of by CPF staff.

I hope it does not come to that but you seem to have a hidden agenda and either work for nightcore or are involved with them on some level. Let there products speak for themselves. There is no need to over hype something all but three to four people have dealt with.

Time will tell...............

 

[TITAN1833]

Will it turn us into giggling school girls "I doubt it" but it will turn us into guys and gals,especialy if the beatings "of the wallet" continue.

It is my guess though after maybe the forth offering..which maybe called the (THE MOTHER OF ALL FLASHLIGHTS) "just guessing here" we will see a lull and the dust will settle.
then and only then will we be able to count the casulties,i.e paypal and bank balances.:mecry:

 

[Daekar]

That's about the extent of life in a nutshell; as I guess that you certainly don't do these kind of things (send in this kind of money) if you don't at least look at some of these glasses as being half full.
The other thing was...I have no idea what the competition even is out there at 1500 lumens (my M6 was obviously 500 lumens at $400) and I've only seen what I think was a HID(?) "Wolf Eyes" (along with some other animal name) at I think 1000 lumens (or a bit more) at $800 somewhere.
What type of bulb would they be talking here most likely and where would they be coming in at 'pricewise' to trip everybody's trigger? (maybe not necessarily a subject that we should be talking about right now for "timing's" sake; yet one has to imagine that they're not going to deliver a "me too" clone in that market as a newcomer).

There are plenty HID lights out there to compete in that arena @ good prices. My Wolf-Eyes Boxer 24W is 1800 bulb lumens for about $350 with the CPF discount from Pacific Tactical Solutions, the AE Xenide HIDs are around 1500 lumens for $435 from BatteryJunction, the 1800-lumen Microfire K2000R or 3500-lumen K3500R from the Fenix Store for $468 and $488 respectively... they're all well-thought of brands with good track records. I know many CPFers have the WE-Boxer HIDs in particular.

In addition, if you want ridiculous amounts of light without spending hundreds of dollars, you'll be able to buy the N30 from AmondoTech when it reopens... ~$150 for a 3200 lumen HID with a fantastic color temperature of 4200K. You can bet quite a few people have those as well, and any LED light using current technology will be hard pressed to beat it. To my knowledge, it's the best deal out there in terms of lumens/dollar in an easily hand-held size. It's nice and light too.

Of course... there's hotwires as well. Especially if you catch a good FiveMega light, you can break 1500 bulb lumens easily - the runtime isn't as good as the HIDs though, and the target market is different than the N30 because they're pricier.

If you're searching for a price-point they'll have to meet... I say good luck beating the N30. One of the winning things for the N30 is that it takes a NiMH battery pack, so it doesn't suffer from price-inflation like lights that come with lithium battery packs - of course it has self-discharge issues like other NiMH lights would, but that's the sacrifice you make for the price you pay.

Just to give you an idea, the "some kind of animal name" that you were referring to for $800 was the Ostar or Cree-powered FoxFury 1000 lumen light. A nice light to be sure, and rated to withstand many rigors of use that most CPFers would never encounter - it's professional light. Still, $800 is quite a chunk of cash, which is why it's not seen or discussed more often.

If they're banking on creating a frenzy among the LED lovers here on the forum, I'll tell you a secret: they're going to have to offer top-notch regulation, heatsinking, and long runtime. If they can give a TRUE 1500 lumen light (an actual 1500 lumens, not just with a theoretical 25 degree junction temperature) which can beat the Wolf-Eyes Boxer 24W in size, price, and runtime, they'll be doing alright. Lets look at that again: 60+ minute runtime, $350 or less price point (including all batteries and charger), and small size. IMHO, if they want a good starting place they should buy a couple Wolf-Eyes Storms and dissect them, figure out what they'd need to do to safely get 250%-300% more light from however many emitters they can cram into that bezel without heatsinking or overdriving issues, and they choose a battery solution accordingly to achieve at least 60 minutes runtime.

A word to the wise - if they're going to offer lithium batteries with their lights, they can't be junk. If they're not going to offer batteries with their lights, they better be... oh... $60+ cheaper than competing lights with the same specs that do come with batteries.

EDIT: Oh yeah - if they're going to release an HID light, it needs to be a few things for them to make a splash: 60+ runtime, 4200K to 5000K color temperature, fast (compete with the newer WE Boxers) startup time, small body (again the WE is the light to beat) and 1500+ lumens. People will be willing to accept the 300 lumen deficit to the Boxer24 if the color temperature is better. If they really want to win hearts, make sure they offer larger bodies and battery solutions for those runtime junkies who want more than 60 minutes worth. Bonus points if it runs safely off of 18650 cells, the most popular Li-Ion on the forum. And drop the pretense of an HID being a tactical light - an HID cannot be a tactical light because it harms the bulb to use it in momentary - that and the startup time makes that idea silly to begin with. Make it tough, small, and practical - not tactical.

 

[WadeF]

If they come out with a 1500 lumen light for $70-80 or something crazy it may be hard to resist, but I'd hate to pre-order a 3rd light from them before even getting the 1st. Hopefully we'll all get our Nitecore Defenders before they hit us with another deal that is impossible for a flashaholic to resist.

 

[MikeLip]

paid well under $400 for my 10W/24W Wolf-Eyes Shark, and it's output is way up there. I'm not about to wade through 30 pages of posts to find the Raidfire stuff, and the AA light is nice looking but nothing to turn my crank.

I certainly wouldn't plunk down more than, say, $50 or so on something from a company I've never heard of before to buy something that isn't even shipping. And I CERTAINLY wouldn't put down ANYTHING for a Chinese light that isn't shipping - not even a clear shipping date! Not just because its Chinese, but because since it's Chinese, you have zero recourse if it doesn't materialize.

1500 lumens from an LED light for a couple hundred bucks would, in fact, make me giggle like a schoolgirl But my sense of cynicism is tingling here. Lots of marketing-speak, and nothing much else yet. I hope the product DOES in fact take off like gangbusters.

 

[Rzr800]

Sorry Rzr800, I wish I could throw up a :welcome: sign and show you the door with open arms but there is something very sneaky about your posting style and really I do not think anyone is buying it. :ironic:...1. Your a straight foward person and I will owe you a major, I'm sorry and please forgive me....you seem to have a hidden agenda and either work for nightcore or are involved with them on some level. Let there products speak for themselves. There is no need to over hype something all but three to four people have dealt with.
Time will tell...............

I think that I have asked some pretty legitimate questions here from the beginning and even been sympathetic to the 'conspiracy' angle just about as much as I had the ability to stomach it for going on 3 different accusations now.

An apology with a 'condition' attached doesn't really all that cut it much with me, dj...as the "straight forward person" that you evidently aren't sure of my being...certainly wouldn't go down that hedge-your-bet road in the first place.

It's pretty hard to be "sneaky"; 'dumb' (in regards to flashlights) and a straight shooter all at the same time; yet it seems that I have accomplished all three (in addition to being an overseas spy) in but a couple of no-nonsense posts.

No more posting in regards to the Nitecore offerings for me...as it seems that honest talk concerning what (I thought) we were "all" up against or in the same boat regarding...will obviously lead to finger pointing on down the road should this all go south in a hurry.

Great forum, none the less. (keep up the good work, guys) :wave:

 

[LukeA]

1500 lumens from an LED light for a couple hundred bucks would, in fact, make me giggle like a schoolgirl

Bwahahaha! If you can mod, look for a thread by me in the next few days. :naughty:

teaser: LED, 1400 emitter lumens, ~$100 in parts.

 

[MikeLip]

Bwahahaha! If you can mod, look for a thread by me in the next few days. :naughty:

teaser: LED, 1400 emitter lumens, ~$100 in parts.

I can feel the giggle starting already

 

[KeyGrip]

That output alone won't even make me smile. Show me a competent light in a well thought out package with with reliable real world specifications and you might get me to giggle.

 

[Lobo]

"I've only seen what I think was a "Wolf Eyes" (some other animal name) at I think 1000 lumens (or a bit more) at $800 somewhere".

Like you do not want to nail it right on the head and state Wolf Eyes so you drop in "some other animal name". :thinking:

I'm pretty sure you missinterpreted that, he said ""Wolf Eyes" (along with some other animal name)". Wolf Eyes usually have another animal name after the first, "Rattlesnake", "shark" etc. It's understandable not knowing the exact model name, but knowing that it was a Wolf Eyes.

Seriously, what is happening to CPF lately?
Everybody's accusing a guy for being a spy just cause he's expressing his enthusiasm for a new light? I have always thought that CPF is the best and friendliest place on the whole internet since the day I stumbled on this forum (seriously, folks here are great), but recently the atmosphere has changed. And that makes me truly sad.

It's fully understandable to be paranoid about a company that nobody heard of offering prepays, but a new guy expressing his joy for flashoholism for a new flashlight? I might be naive, but come on people, cut him some slack.

:welcome: Rzr800(allthough youre not exactly fresh ) and a :grouphug: for everybody.

About the lights, the first offer looks really nice, even after the review. The second one looks nothing special(except for the ugly design) comparing to what allready exists. At 60USD(or whatever the initial price is) it might be a good price. But for 130USD, it's nothing special, and time will tell how good the quality and CS is. About the 1500lumens light, I sure agree, it sounds interesting. Excited to see what it's all about. Luckily enough I dont have any cash until maybe the next term, so I wont be tempted (or rather cant) buy either of them.

 

[Rzr800]

Hey, I'm in for the :grouphug: also; as I don't want to be seen as the 'victim' here (thanks for the support, Lobo; btw) anymore than I want to 'force' anybody to think twice about the opinion that they expressed of me earlier (hey, you gave it just like I would have; we both most likely over-reacted...done deal/move on).

Just to give some kind of insight as to why I many times rub folks the wrong way....I'm the kind of guy you run across in say the off-road forums pushing for cross-sport unity; youth safety/parental modeled behavior; pay-to-play; more charity events; etc. etc...you know, the guy who isn't simply letting you talk orvs without pressing the "legacy" (responsibility) issues much harder than he probably should in a vacuum of leadership.

If that doesn't explain who I am or if you didn't notice that type of 'nonsense' in my earlier posts...then yeah, I also secretly speak Mandarin when nobody's looking. (see spy accusation above; bad joke, I know; no offense meant whatsoever to anybody)

Now all I have to do is hope that Nitecore introduces/delivers all these lights plus this "monster" on time...with specs. to die for...or at a price that most guys will bite on whether their wives broke the bank Christmas shopping today or not...and maybe all will indeed be forgiven.:buddies:

By the way, thanks to Nitecore for getting me excited about flashlights again...and getting me into this mess in the first place!