Surefire Invictus & Optimus - expectations

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iapyx said:
IF the UB2 appears to be even smaller than the UA2, it would be - at least for me - a great competitor for the UA2.

For a long time I thought the UA2 was the light to have for it being smaller and focusable. So if the UB2 appears to be smaller in the end, the only choice that will have to be made is: do I want a focusable light with 200 lumen or a non-focusable light with 400 lumen.

(getting both lights is also an option, over time)

and now... we wait :)
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The waiting game is on indeed, and it might take even a bit longer before we get it in our hands, here in the Netherlands!

But I'm not in the waiting game for the UB2, the UA2 is much more versatile and even if it is a bit bigger, just imagine what you can do with a perfect flood beam on low: read a map, read a book in a shelter, just fumble around in a black backpack. Flood on high? look at a large part of the road and the sides, light up a complete room, without the need to bounce at the ceiling, a create a "wall of light" etc. When you focus the beam, you can spot things in the distance, illuminate a small spot close by, blind one man in a group, search for lost things (or people), signal over longer distances.

Compared to the UB2 that is much more. An even if the specs are like they are in the brochure 2008, the 200 lumens of the Optimus could reach further if they are more focused than the probable "jack-of-all-trades-medium-but-400-lumens-beam of the UB2, just because it isn't focus-able.
I am wondering why they are even planning on a UA2 and on a UB2 and not just on one new light. Odd thing to make two lights: just combine the 400 lumens and the focus in one light?!

But as I said, the waiting game is on, my paypal is locked and loaded for this light, whenever it comes, I only have a EB1 that I really use at this time, just because I don't want to buy another 2 cell light and have to sell it when I settle for a UA2. Off topic, but the E1B is one very good light that has seen a lot of EDC and is really usefull and handy!
Perhaps I want to buy the Saint, but as I have Wilma from Lupine, that is not really needed :D.
But since when does "need" made it into the equation here on CPF :D
 
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I can't decide between these two so I will buy both! Damn you SF.How much longer do I have to wait!BTW how long before Malkoff offers an upgrade, HA! HA! HA!
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AlecGold said:
I am wondering why they are even planning on a UA2 and on a UB2 and not just on one new light. Odd thing to make two lights: just combine the 400 lumens and the focus into one light?! :D
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+1 Exactly! Well said, Alec!! :thumbsup:

-Clive
 
AlecGold said:
... I am wondering why they are even planning on a UA2 and on a UB2 and not just on one new light. Odd thing to make two lights: just combine the 400 lumens and the focus in one light?!
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suddenly I know the answer to why we are waiting so long: Surefire can't decide themselves. :grin2:

I have to say that I am very very curious how these two lights perform. So I am glad my pre-order (UA2) was cancelled. What I would like to know is how well performs the UA2 with focused beam. Will it outthrow the UB2? How well is the flood of the UA2 etc etc.
 
iapyx said:
suddenly I know the answer to why we are waiting so long: Surefire can't decide themselves. :grin2:

I have to say that I am very very curious how these two lights perform. So I am glad my pre-order (UA2) was cancelled. What I would like to know is how well performs the UA2 with focused beam. Will it outthrow the UB2? How well is the flood of the UA2 etc etc.
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its not due to indecision, its due to business. good marketing. that way you sell more lights. if you put all the great features into one light, it would make make their other lights obsolete.(kind of)
 
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cruisemissile said:
its not due to indecision, its due to business. good marketing. that way you sell more lights. if you put all the great features into one light, it would make make their other lights obsolete.(kind of)
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Are you serious???
And I've always thought that Surefire was a non-profit organisation.... :crackup:
 
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AlecGold said:
The waiting game is on indeed, and it might take even a bit longer before we get it in our hands, here in the Netherlands!

But I'm not in the waiting game for the UB2, the UA2 is much more versatile and even if it is a bit bigger, just imagine what you can do with a perfect flood beam on low: read a map, read a book in a shelter, just fumble around in a black backpack. Flood on high? look at a large part of the road and the sides, light up a complete room, without the need to bounce at the ceiling, a create a "wall of light" etc. When you focus the beam, you can spot things in the distance, illuminate a small spot close by, blind one man in a group, search for lost things (or people), signal over longer distances.

Compared to the UB2 that is much more. An even if the specs are like they are in the brochure 2008, the 200 lumens of the Optimus could reach further if they are more focused than the probable "jack-of-all-trades-medium-but-400-lumens-beam of the UB2, just because it isn't focus-able.
I am wondering why they are even planning on a UA2 and on a UB2 and not just on one new light. Odd thing to make two lights: just combine the 400 lumens and the focus in one light?!

But as I said, the waiting game is on, my paypal is locked and loaded for this light, whenever it comes, I only have a EB1 that I really use at this time, just because I don't want to buy another 2 cell light and have to sell it when I settle for a UA2. Off topic, but the E1B is one very good light that has seen a lot of EDC and is really usefull and handy!
Perhaps I want to buy the Saint, but as I have Wilma from Lupine, that is not really needed :D.
But since when does "need" made it into the equation here on CPF :D
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you are right on the button!
 
AlecGold said:
The waiting game is on indeed, and it might take even a bit longer before we get it in our hands, here in the Netherlands!

But I'm not in the waiting game for the UB2, the UA2 is much more versatile and even if it is a bit bigger, just imagine what you can do with a perfect flood beam on low: read a map, read a book in a shelter, just fumble around in a black backpack. Flood on high? look at a large part of the road and the sides, light up a complete room, without the need to bounce at the ceiling, a create a "wall of light" etc. When you focus the beam, you can spot things in the distance, illuminate a small spot close by, blind one man in a group, search for lost things (or people), signal over longer distances.

Compared to the UB2 that is much more. An even if the specs are like they are in the brochure 2008, the 200 lumens of the Optimus could reach further if they are more focused than the probable "jack-of-all-trades-medium-but-400-lumens-beam of the UB2, just because it isn't focus-able.
I am wondering why they are even planning on a UA2 and on a UB2 and not just on one new light. Odd thing to make two lights: just combine the 400 lumens and the focus in one light?!

But as I said, the waiting game is on, my paypal is locked and loaded for this light, whenever it comes, I only have a EB1 that I really use at this time, just because I don't want to buy another 2 cell light and have to sell it when I settle for a UA2. Off topic, but the E1B is one very good light that has seen a lot of EDC and is really usefull and handy!
Perhaps I want to buy the Saint, but as I have Wilma from Lupine, that is not really needed :D.
But since when does "need" made it into the equation here on CPF :D
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That is why I am really curious how the two light perform in a comparison shoot out. Maybe the two lights appear to be too different for such a thing. Many of us can afford only one of them (if one at all), so a choice will have to be made.

btw AlecGold, I will order mine in the US and have it sent via a friend in Boston. That way I won't have to wait till it's released in the NL.
 
iapyx said:
That is why I am really curious how the two light perform in a comparison shoot out. Maybe the two lights appear to be too different for such a thing. Many of us can afford only one of them (if one at all), so a choice will have to be made.

btw AlecGold, I will order mine in the US and have it sent via a friend in Boston. That way I won't have to wait till it's released in the NL.
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I'm planning on the same trick to get it via a shipping address in the US, but well, it can take another week or 50 before it is here.
Perhaps I can afford it to spend so much on a light, but two? Nah, that is a bit to much for me as well. I can do lots of other things with another 200 or 300 bucks.
The focused reach of the UA2 might surprise us, when compared to the UB2.
But 2 times the amount of lumens, is still once as bright to the human eye mark I. :D

@cruisemissile, I don't think SureFire is that good at marketing. It isn't like Apple who makes us mad with another update of their OS-X and gets us crazy about a new 13" aluminium laptop, just by trickling bits of (uncertain) info through informers & internet blogs etc.
 
Hey guys,

I found a video and pictures of the Optimus and Invictus and thought I should post it. You will find the videos at the bottom of the page. You might want to start both of them, mute the volume and let them load for 15-20 minutes so that you can see it continuously without it stopping on you 50 times. Just a WARNING, it is in Korean and although the review is not the greatest as far as really going into detail, you can at least see them put through their paces.:thumbsup:

If this has already been posted I apologize.

http://www.surefirekorea.com/board/...1&page=1&type=v&num1=999869&num2=00000&lock=N
 
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Ratchet_Gear said:
Hey guys,

I found a video and pictures of the Optimus and Invictus and thought I should post it. You will find the videos at the bottom of the page. You might want to start both of them, mute the volume and let them load for 15-20 minutes so that you can see it continuously without it stopping on you 50 times. Just a WARNING, it is in Japanese and although the review is not the greatest as far as really going into detail, you can at least see them put through their paces.:thumbsup:

If this has already been posted I apologize.

http://www.surefirekorea.com/board/...1&page=1&type=v&num1=999869&num2=00000&lock=N
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Great find. There were more photos but I thought these were the coolest :D

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/7158/4l2t3292ahm5.jpg

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/9696/4l2t3223ann4.jpg

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/8707/4l2t3186adu9.jpg

Over sized images removed
 
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