Fenix L1P V.S. Streamlight JR Luxeon (PICS)

Hi Newbie here with a newbie question.

I just received a Streamlight JR Luxeon in the mail and compared it to my Fenix LP1. I am surprised that the Streamlight 2AA looks brighter. I guess this says even less about the new released Fenix 2AA.

Just took a pic from 10'. Even though the pic show the Fenix has a brighter core the Streamlight seems brighter in person. How can this be?

Both lights are using new batteries:

Streamlight JR Luxeaon
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Throw (Lux)[/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] (click for description)[/font]~ 385 at beam center. (19.62 Comparison Chart equivalent) [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Overall Output (click for description)[/font]~ 1500 (15.00Comparison Chart equivalent)






Fenix LP1
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Throw (Lux)[/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] (click for description)[/font]~ 650 at beam center. (25.50 Comparison Chart equivalent) [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Overall Output (click for description)[/font]~ 1800 (18.00 Comparison Chart equivalent)




Fenix


Streamlight JR
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Colubrid,
...I do notice that the electrical outlets under the desk are more illuminated in the Fenix L1P photo. But who knows, maybe you got a really good SL Jr Luxeon? BTW, are you a snake keeper?
Jeff

Yeah... the Fenix looks a bit brighter to me... Not all those photons end up in the hotspot and looking at the peripheral areas, the Fenix is lighting them up a lot better than the Streamlight AND the hotspots look comparable.

Digital cameras can be fickle, and there is some ambient light coming through from outside which can affect the shot. I'm assuming the camera was used in a manual mode, otherwise it could be compensating for a "brighter" hotspot in the Streamlight by making the picture overall darker.

And even in manual mode, unless you spend time tweaking the exposure settings, can often show more light than the eye sees. I get this a lot doing headlight comparison shots where the photo looks like the street is awash in light, when my eyes doesn't see it nearly the same way. In this case, it could be that the Streamlight with a hotter hotspot or hotter "near-corona" can appear brighter than the Fenix which may have a brighter spill on-camera, but is not detectable as such to the eye.

(edit: errr, or the other way around, if the Fenix really has a hotter spot, it may appear dimmer to the eye [which adjusts accordingly] while the Streamlight, if it has a dimmer hotspot but more even with the spill, can appear brighter because your eyes adjust to slightly darker conditions, bringing up the spill area in your perception. In essence, a bright spot on the Fenix can "wash out" your eyes making it harder to see the spill)

The L1P runs on 1 battery, so it can only do so much. The Fenix2AA is a lot brighter and would be a more equal comparison to the SL Jr Lx.

I thought it was stated the L2 would run the same brightness as the L1, just with a longer runtime (and better regulation)?

I took both lights outside and the Stremlight JR was easier on the eyes at 10-25'. The throw was better on the Fenix as it lit the house across the street better.

Being a newbie I am not surprised the Streamlight did so well as much as the Fenix did so bad.



jclarksnakes,
Yes I have about 300 breeders and am still sitting on 100 babies from '05 hatch.

Now if I could just get someone here to trade me for lights. ha ha ha ha!

Here are a few pics:

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Wyeast said:

I thought it was stated the L2 would run the same brightness as the L1, just with a longer runtime (and better regulation)?

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I was reading a thread on here where someone made a comparison and the LP2 was definetly brighter than the LP1. I don't know why the stats are the same but the LP2 pics where a lot brighter than the LP1. Someone said it had to do with the regulation causing a brighter beam.

colubrid said:

I was reading a thread on here where someone made a comparison and the LP2 was definetly brighter than the LP1. I don't know why the stats are the same but the LP2 pics where a lot brighter than the LP1. Someone said it had to do with the regulation causing a brighter beam.

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With full regulation, the L2P will maintain "max brightness" (or close to it) throughout the regulated runtime, where the semi-regulated L1P will drop gradually from max brightness until it loses regulation. So yes, in most instances, an L2P will be brighter than an L1P given identical battery condition.

Except with fresh batteries, both should be at max brightness. So the L1P colubrid is looking at is probably (should be?) representative of what an L2P would also look like.

those look like some dangerous critters you got there =) i don't know much about snakes, except that it's bad if i'm ever bit by a poisonous one, but very beautiful nonetheless =P

the pics you took of both were taken in P mode, which made variations to the pics so the pics aren't really that good a comparison. though it kept the shutter/aperture the same, the iso changed quite a bit in the two.

however, from quickbeam's numbers at flashlightreviews, you'll notice that the overall output from both lights are not too different from one another, but the throw shows that the fenix focuses much of its light into a tighter beam, as opposed to the SL Jr Lux, which gives a more diffuse beam. your pics and your outdoor observations, where the fenix lights up farther objects better, bears this out.

so it's merely a case of different beams for different purposes =) quickbeam's description links gives a pretty good explanation of why the numbers are as they are =)

"however, from quickbeam's numbers at flashlightreviews, you'll notice that the overall output from both lights are not too different from one another, but the throw shows that the fenix focuses much of its light into a tighter beam, as opposed to the SL Jr Lux, which gives a more diffuse beam. your pics and your outdoor observations, where the fenix lights up farther objects better, bears this out"

You are right but what I found interesting is the two where even that close. With the raves the Fenix has been getting I was expecting a better beam compared to SL Jr which is half the cost and not as noteworthy. I have a SF E1E coming in the mail. I wonder how its beam will compare to the fenix next?

colubrid said:

"however, from quickbeam's numbers at flashlightreviews, you'll notice that the overall output from both lights are not too different from one another, but the throw shows that the fenix focuses much of its light into a tighter beam, as opposed to the SL Jr Lux, which gives a more diffuse beam. your pics and your outdoor observations, where the fenix lights up farther objects better, bears this out"

You are right but what I found interesting is the two where even that close. With the raves the Fenix has been getting I was expecting a better beam compared to SL Jr which is half the cost and not as noteworthy. I have a SF E1E coming in the mail. I wonder how its beam will compare to the fenix next?

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Yes, but the Fenix is much smaller, runs on one battery rather than three, and lasts longer, too.

Yeah, respectable Lux lights that run on 2 alkaline cells have been around as long as I've been on this forum. Affordable Lux lights that run on a single alkaline AA and put out 25-ish lumens came out... well... when the Fenix came out.

ALL the rave over the Fenix centers around it being a single AA light, that it has an AR-coated mineral glass lens and HAIII coating.

If being a single cell light wasn't the point, you would see hoards of people getting the L2P as they did the L1P and that just ins't happening. I mean, the L2P may be a great light... I have one on the way... but a 2 cell Lux light just doesn't create the stir that a single cell Lux light does.

Judging only by the photo's the Fenix L1P has a brighter and cleaner beam
as compaired to the Streamlight JR Luxeon , not bad for a sigle AA Cell light

"Yes, but the Fenix is much smaller, runs on one battery rather than three, and lasts longer, too"


Actually its two AA lights and the run time is longer. Here is a quote from Flashlight reviews:

Output is in the form of a very nice white beam with a slightly square central spot. Runtime is advertised to be "up to 4 hours" so I completed a runtime test. The result: over 3 hours before really dropping off. Not bad

Also here are some pics I just shot. The first two are the front of the lights:

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Here is a side by side beam shot of the fenix and Streamlight Jr.. The JR has a decent spill as well:

Fenix is on left and SL JR Lux on right.
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Colubrid,
...Great PICs. Seems like maybe you should change your name here to Lampropeltus (shiny shields). I breed Rainbow Boas and Jungle Carpet and Diamond Carpet crosses. I also have Surinam Redtails about ready for breeding. My only colubrids are a pair of Black Milksnakes. First PIC here should be one of my baby Campina Grande Rainbow Boas. This year I had what I think are the first two litters of these ever born outside South America. The second PIC is a 2005 litter of Brazilian Rainbow Boas. All the Rainbow Boas are my specialty. I got my first one in 1969. I wholesaled most of my babies this year. I am down to just 30 "holdback" 2005 babies left.
http://pic6.picturetrail.com/VOL165/1107196/8542125/116472944.jpg
http://pic6.picturetrail.com/VOL165/1107196/5013693/114071115.jpg
...Just to get this back on the flashlight topic. My Fenix L1P so impresses me that I have ordered another and also an L2P.
Jclarksnakes

I like my Lux Jr indoors, with it's smooth flood and momentary-on, but Fenix is great for overall versatility and particularly EDC. I use NiMH in both, however lithium is apparently better in Fenix L1P, also lighter for EDC.

Maybe you win in Luxeon lottery, and you got a High lux bin Luxeon in your SL JR:laughing:. congratulation!
My moded SL JR use a TX1JW Lux III at 420mA, and it is brighter than Fenix L1P. I think it about 52 lumens from the LED.

"Maybe you win in Luxeon lottery, and you got a High lux bin Luxeon in your SL JR"

or..Maybe I got a bad Fenix? Don't get me wrong I love the Fenix. I like the size its clicky little button and the fact you can stand it on either end. I like it enough I will order another for myself as my 2 1/2 yr old daughter has taken mine over. She seems to be facinated by it. I told my wife we have to get another one now :devil: *heh heh* I may get the LP2 as well.



jclarksnakes,
Nice Rainbows. I will have to look into that Campina Grande to find out more about them. I will PM you some time.

The L2P will more than likely blow away both of these lights. R bin that can run full bore for a long time. L1P is R bin too, but it is limited by the battery. It's the brigthest 1AA luxeon light out though.