Boost circuit for 2xAA NiMH @ 750mA-1A - anything out there??

wintermute

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Besides running 2x HO-2009 Micropucks in parallel giving ~700-750mA / or 2 x SHO-2009 Micropucks in parallel giving 850-900mA, is there any circuits out there which can give me good regulation for a SSC P4 USXOH? The FluPICs required too high of a voltage for my uses, else I would love them (especially the switching modes!!)...but I need to run in a 2xAA light. I am using 2 x HO-2009 Micropucks in parallel now, but I was looking to push this thing closer to 1A

The search engine is so screwy it's hard to find info. I hope I don't get flamed for asking.
 
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The VIP driver from Taskled is a very good driver when using 2x NiMH cells.
As far as I know this driver is out of production but I still have some (750mA) if you need one. :)
 

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The VIP driver from Taskled is a very good driver when using 2x NiMH cells.
As far as I know this driver is out of production but I still have some (750mA) if you need one. :)
Wow, that does look excellent. I might be very interested in one of your boards, but I would love to find a 1000mA one.

Thank you for the heads up though. Any more info from others would still excellent.
 

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How about BB NG 750 driver from Sandwich Shoppe? There is also 1000 mA version.

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I read this on the Sandwich Shoppe description of the BB-NG750 / BB-NG1000: "For a Nexgen 750mA or Nexgen 1A, this critical starting voltage is ~3.4V. Input voltages above this will start the regulator into full constant current regulation and it will regulate down to ~2V input."

So I was thinking that it wouldn't work well on ~2.4-2.6v 2xAA NiMH.
 

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Yes, that is what it says in the instructions. However, I have not had any problems getting 750 mA out of it with two nimh AAs. I guess that the circuit is more forgiving than what the instructions say... :thinking:

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Yes, that is what it says in the instructions. However, I have not had any problems getting 750 mA out of it with two nimh AAs. I guess that the circuit is more forgiving than what the instructions say... :thinking:

-N

Honestly, I'm already getting ~750mA (or more) from my 2 x HO-2009 Micropucks in parallel. Upgrading to a $23 BB Nexgen 750mA would only get me a little more efficiency - nothing more for brightness...I really should have edited the title to just include 1A. Then again, if another VIP driver can't be found - I would upgrade to the 750mA VIP driver just to get the dimming possibilities.

Thanks for all of your input so far. Do you know if the 1000mA is as forgiving as the 750mA???
 
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Based on the datasheet graphs from SSC and Cree, the difference between 750mA and 1000mA can be substantial.

Current versus luminous flux

SSC:

SSCCurrentvsFlux-2Medium.jpg


Cree

CreeCurrentvsFlux-2.jpg


350mA - baseline
750mA - 180% brighter then baseline
1000mA - 220% brighter then baseline

SSC P4 U-bin
min @350mA: 91.0 - @750mA: 163.8 - @1000mA: 200.2
max @350mA: 118.5 - @750mA: 213.3 - @1000mA: 260.7

Cree XR-E Q4
min @350mA: 100.4 - @750mA: 180.7 - @1000mA: 220.9
max @350mA: 107.0 - @750mA: 192.6 - @1000mA: 235.4

Cree XR-E Q5
mix @350mA: 107.0 - @750mA: 192.6 - @1000mA: 235.4
max @350mA: 113.6 - @750mA: 204.5 - @1000mA: 250.0

This won't be an EDC light - just something I want to squeeze the most power out of 2xNiMH AAs I can...hence why I would prefer the 1000mA boost circuit.

If not, I will go with the 750mA VIP circuit and build in some dimming. :D
 

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Get the 750 VIP from Icarus and have a resistor changed out for 1 amp to led. I will warn you that battery current will exceed two amps from two NiMh's to sustain the 1 amp to led. The 750 is much easier on the batteries and you will appreciate the efficiency of the VIP. Use the lowest vf Seoul you can find. One more thing, the Seoul is not known for liking 1 amp to the led for sustained running, better the Cree.

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Get the 750 VIP from Icarus and have a resistor changed out for 1 amp to led. I will warn you that battery current will exceed two amps from two NiMh's to sustain the 1 amp to led. The 750 is much easier on the batteries and you will appreciate the efficiency of the VIP. Use the lowest vf Seoul you can find. One more thing, the Seoul is not known for liking 1 amp to the led for sustained running, better the Cree.

Bill
-Got the USXOH SSC, so low Vf.
-I suppose I am going to have to go for the 750VIP now.

Thanks for the heads up.

Don't let this discourage anyone who has a VIP1000 from offering it to me...I'd still take it to try out.

One last note, I wish the SSC bins weren't so wide...@750mA you could get anywhere from 163 lumens to 213 lumens - that's a 50 lumen difference from the same bin!!
 
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Jeez, looks like I might have opened Pandora's box. I wonder if TaskLED could reporduce this board again if there is enough of a demand...or if Charlie owns the rights to it. I haven't had a response back from him in a while - so who knows.
 

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Jeez, looks like I might have opened Pandora's box. I wonder if TaskLED could reporduce this board again if there is enough of a demand...or if Charlie owns the rights to it. I haven't had a response back from him in a while - so who knows.

Ok, due to wintermute's post I've dug through my stash of parts and boards and have 17 freshly built boards. You can order either the 750 or 1000mA version - I'll put the final current setting resistor on prior to shipping (of course I test ALL driver boards).

Once the 17 are sold, that's it, I have no further PCB's to build more and it's not a driver I plan to continue building.

Now NOTE - at 1000mA output, for good efficiency and to minimize voltage drops (see below), you need to find a nice low Vf LED, preferably in the 3.2V range.

You Must also make sure that the resistance paths from the batteries, to through the case, nubbin, wiring, SWITCH, etc are all minimized. To push 1A through a 3.2V LED requires 3.2W at the output. Assuming 90% efficiency that means you have 3.2W/0.9 = 3.56W at the input. If you have 2 x NiMH cells at 1.2V each, you have 2.4V at the input. That means 3.56/2.4 = 1.5A at the input of the VIP driver. Even 0.2 ohms in the switch/contacts will be 1.5A x 0.2 = 0.3V of loss. That brings you battery voltage down to 2.1V into the VIP and the input current will now be 3.56/2.1 = 1.7A

You can see how critical it is to minimize resistance paths in a high current boost driver where you're only starting with 2 nimh cells.

You can find details of the driver and how to order one on my website - link in the signature.

cheers,
george.
 
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