Wolf Eye Questions/Raider vs Defender

EnterTheSwamp · Jul 20, 2007

I have pretty much decided that I am going to be purchasing a Wolf Eyes as my next light, but I have some questions regarding the lights I was hoping some of you could answer.

1. Is the Raider(9AX) Cree brighter than the Defender(D2AX) Cree?

2. Is Wolf Eyes coming out with a low and high mode for the Raider soon?

3. Is the LED Tail Cap(Link below) compatible with the Raider? If so, how much light does it give off? http://www.pts-flashlights.com/products/product.aspx?pid=6073

4. Are the Rechargeable versions worth the cost, or should I just purchase my own charging station seperately?

5. I see the Raider says the Cree lamp is D26/D36. Which is it?

6. Does Mike still give a discount to CPF? I have sent him my info, but no reply.

Thanks for the help guys.

LA OZ · Jul 21, 2007

The only reason why I did not buy a Wolf Eye until recently is because they are so confusing. I hope they got their act together and give use a summary of each torch characteristic and options.

I have received my Raider 9AX incan a few days ago and that thing is bright. It feels heavy and substantial. I really believe it is more durable than the Fenix and the like. I understand there are two Crees drop in for WE. There is the 3.7-6V with multilevel and the 3.7-13V single level. I am pretty sure the cheaper rechargeable that is available is not too far off from the WE batteries in performance with half the price. That is all I can help you with.

FlashKat · Jul 21, 2007

1. Is the Raider(9AX) Cree brighter than the Defender(D2AX) Cree?
It's probably the same brightness
2. Is Wolf Eyes coming out with a low and high mode for the Raider soon?

3. Is the LED Tail Cap(Link below) compatible with the Raider? If so, how much light does it give off? http://www.pts-flashlights.com/products/product.aspx?pid=6073
Yes...Not alot of light.

4. Are the Rechargeable versions worth the cost, or should I just purchase my own charging station seperately?
If you buy different 18650 batteries and charger it will be cheaper, but you will need to buy magnets or something to put on the positive side of the battery, since they are flat tops.

5. I see the Raider says the Cree lamp is D26/D36. Which is it?
The Raider 9AX is a D26 size lamp assembly, and the Raider 9DX is a turbo bezel that is a D36 size lamp assembly.

6. Does Mike still give a discount to CPF? I have sent him my info, but no reply.
PM Mike@PTS and he usually responds in a day. Look up his username and follow CPF link for discount. Here is his link to username: http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/member.php?u=10538

GreySave · Jul 21, 2007

My understanding is that the LED tailcap will not work with any of the LED lamp assemblies. I believe it is an incan only option and also will not work if the incan burns out.

I use one with my 9D Raider. The white tailcap puts out about 5 lumens if my memory is correct, and output is in the form of a medium spot with dim side spill. The red tailcap is very similar. It has been a while since I used it but if memory serves me correctly it has more throw than the white due to the dsign of the LEDs. I find them useful, but both (to me) are too bright for night adapted vision in close quarters, such as in the house.

Pokerstud · Jul 21, 2007

EnterTheSwamp said:
I have pretty much decided that I am going to be purchasing a Wolf Eyes as my next light, but I have some questions regarding the lights I was hoping some of you could answer.

6. Does Mike still give a discount to CPF? I have sent him my info, but no reply.

Might want to just send him another email or PM. Go to the website and set up your account and log in. If you see a lower price on products after you log in verses prior to logging in, your ready to go.

Mike is a good guy to work with, and the WE line is top notch.

cernobila · Jul 21, 2007

Little bit of info on the WE Cree HO 3.7 - 13V D26 Lamp.....I have used this in the Sniper with 1x 18650 cell and 2x RCR123 cells. The 2x RCR123 made the lamp brighter than the 1x 18650. In the Raider with 2x 18500 it was about the same brightness as with the 2x RCR123 set up. The major difference is that the 2x 18500's will give much longer run time than the 2x RCR123's......I have not tried the WE Cree HO 3.7 - 6V lamp so I can not comment.

EnterTheSwamp · Jul 21, 2007

It seems that I need to go with the Defender if I want a low mode. That or get a Raider with an incan along with the led tail cap.

Lastly, just to justify the price, will the Defender be brighter than the Fenix P3D?

Jauno · Jul 21, 2007

My Fenix P3D is little bit brighter on max mode than Defender II with HO cree.
I don´t know if it´s because P3D´s smooth reflector vs. Defender OP reflector or just difference of output.
anyway, Defender II just put my 3,7-6v xenons to retire..

And to your thinking about Defender II vs. Raider..
I think Raider´s stock incan lamp (or any 9v stock incans) is not so much brighter than Defender´s cree, and you´ll get better runtimes, shock resistance, smaller size and high/low output with Defender II.

But advantage of Raider is that you can get higher output lamps from Lumensfactory. So if you want highest/brightest output go for Raider with Lumensfactory lamps, but if you want both brightness and runtime and usefulness like multilevel light go for Defender II or P3D-CE.

Before these multimode lights, i thought led tailcaps are very good for low output option (of course they are) but in my experience they aren´t as durable as other part of light and Defender II is much more easier and comfortable to switch from high to low and otherwise.

cernobila · Jul 21, 2007

My 5c worth.....

Flashlightreviews.com data

Fenix L2DCE....throw, 54.58.....output, 88.00
Fenix P3DCE.............55.22................90.00

not much in it for some reason. I am sure that if you run a Defender II with a 2x RCR123 cells and a WE Cree HO 3.7 - 13V lamp that this would be brighter than if you had a 1x 18650/2x CR123 cells and a WE Cree HO 3.7 - 6V lamp in the light.

My wife and I have compared the L2DCE...........with the DII with Cree HO 3.7 -13V lamp and 2x RCR123 cells and came to a conclusion that the DII/HO3.7-13V was clearly brighter.

EnterTheSwamp · Jul 22, 2007

For those with the P3D CE and the WE Defender Cree, which one would you say gives a "floodier" light?

Jauno · Jul 22, 2007

Defender II´s and P3D´s hotspot and sidespill are the same class so no difference in flood. P3D throws little bit better.

cernobila · Jul 22, 2007

Jauno said:
Defender II´s and P3D´s hotspot and sidespill are the same class so no difference in flood. P3D throws little bit better.

Do you have a WE Cree HO 3.7 - 6V or the 3.7 - 13V and what cells do you run the lamp on in your Defender II ?

Jauno · Jul 22, 2007

HO 3.7-6v running 18650 type cell.

cernobila said:
Do you have a WE Cree HO 3.7 - 6V or the 3.7 - 13V and what cells do you run the lamp on in your Defender II ?

cernobila · Jul 22, 2007

Jauno said:
HO 3.7-6v running 18650 type cell.

ok, try the D26 HO 3.7 - 13V with 2x RCR123 cells and you will find that it is brighter with better throw than the above combination.

FASTCAR · Jul 22, 2007

I have both.Both same brightness.IMO go with the 6a/cree just because its alot smaller.

The small head ( 26) is a tad more floody. The large head ( 36) is a bit more spotty.I prefer the 26.

I run both now with my diffuser and love them.

As far as batts, I have had best run time and luck with Wolf Eyes batts. Cheepie 18650s never work out as well for me.

***as far as (PTS) mike, as far as I know he left for Calli on friday and will be back in a few days.He is always good with answering Emails.

cernobila · Jul 22, 2007

FASTCAR said:
I have both.Both same brightness.IMO go with the 6a/cree just because its alot smaller.

The small head ( 26) is a tad more floody. The large head ( 36) is a bit more spotty.I prefer the 26.

I run both now with my diffuser and love them.

As far as batts, I have had best run time and luck with Wolf Eyes batts. Cheepie 18650s never work out as well for me.

***as far as (PTS) mike, as far as I know he left for Calli on friday and will be back in a few days.He is always good with answering Emails.

Let me get this right......

You have both the D26 Cree HO 3.7 - 6V lamp as well as the D26 Cree HO 3.7 - 13V?

I don't have the 3.7 - 6V so don't know the performance with either the 1x 18650 or 2x CR123 with this lamp.

I have tried my D26 Cree HO 3.7 - 13V with 1x 18650 and also with the 2x RCR123 cells. (I did not try it with 2x CR123 cells) It is clearly brighter on the 2x RCR123 cells; it is also brighter than my Fenix L2DCE, which according to Flashlightreviews is very similar to the P3DCE. I guess this is only my personal result and other lights may vary in performance.

FlashKat · Jul 22, 2007

The D36 is suppose to have better flood than the D26. This thread in post #1 and post #41 gives you a very good review and opinion: https://www.candlepowerforums.com/threads/165939

FASTCAR said:
I have both.Both same brightness.IMO go with the 6a/cree just because its alot smaller.

The small head ( 26) is a tad more floody. The large head ( 36) is a bit more spotty.I prefer the 26.

I run both now with my diffuser and love them.

As far as batts, I have had best run time and luck with Wolf Eyes batts. Cheepie 18650s never work out as well for me.

***as far as (PTS) mike, as far as I know he left for Calli on friday and will be back in a few days.He is always good with answering Emails.

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