Unenlightened to SUPER Flashaholic in 1 HOUR!!!!

dandruff

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HAHAHAH OMG!!

so, i was chatting with my friend online and he asked me what i was doing. I told him the truth, and i told him not to laugh.

i told him i was contemplating ordering a high-end FLASHLIGHT. My friend has seen my L0D before and seemed mildly interested.

the flashlight in question was none other than surefire's upcoming UA2. he seemed genuinely interested, and i was telling him about "lumens", "reflectors", "optics" and so on. I also sent him a copy of surefire's 2008 catalogue. he seemed pretty interested, and i was recommending the 6P if he WERE to even buy a light.

anyway, to my total disbelief, his words were "i really like the look of the UA2, i think i just MIGHT ORDER ONE". I was totally shocked! for an "unenlightened" person to jump straight to the latest and greatest (and one of the most expensive) light, from arguably the best manufacturer in the business is akin to a couch potato suddenly deciding to climb mt everest! what a leap (gahh, im sure there are better analogies out there but you get the idea)!

unbelievable right? my hats off the surefire marketing dept. that catalogue is a work of art. i wouldnt be surprised if we see my friend here in due time. thanks for reading!
 
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dandruff

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yeah, he later said hes "a hair's breadth away" from ordering one.

thats a big enough jump for me!
 

maxa beam

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It's not out, yet.

PM this to him, it might convince him!
Have a few reasons to buy the UA2 Optimus.
It's a SUREFIRE, man. That means waterproof to one atmosphere, bulletproof ruggedness, reliability(Their main customer is the military, after all.), performance... Everything. Ask any given member here what the best brand of flashlight is and nine out of ten will tell you "Surefire".
Oh, yes. The Optimus. Almost forgot. It has a maximum of a scorching 200 LUMENS, more than any of the mentioned lights. Surefire is pretty much the only company that uses an integrating sphere to measure lumen output. Other manufacturers measure torch lumens, while Surefire measures out-the-front lumens. A 100 lumen Surefire is usually brighter than a 150 lumen other-brand. The leds are sorted, making sure you won't get a fluke. It has one LED of unknown make, but whatever it is, it must be pretty efficient. The Optimus has 11 settings..
1: Off.
2: SOS
3: 2 Lumens.
4: 4 Lumens.
5: 8 Lumens.
6: 15 Lumens.
7: 30 Lumens.
8: 60 Lumens.
9: 120 Lumens.
10: 200 Lumens.
11: Strobe.
The lowest, 2 lumens, runs for 100 hours. Judging from the runtime of Surefire's combatlights, which also run on two 123s, the Optimus' highest setting will be available for a long time.
It also has a Military-Spec Type 3 Hard-Anodize coating. It's a beautiful black coating of aluminum oxide, a substance up there with diamond and other precious gems. It's chemically grown onto the surface, so don't worry about paint chipping! Very few manufacturers provide mil-spec anodize.

It also has a stepped-down body and rubber grip. It's called combatgrip, and provides an amazingly secure grip.
That may be a little hard to picture, or maybe I'm just relieving your eyes with some eyecandy of this beautiful flashlight. Either way, have a picture.
policestuff_2001_208899501


The Optimus also has a fuel guage led. It glows green when the battery is full, orange when medium, red when low. I haven't thought of this, but that could also serve as a locater if you dropped the flashlight.
Oh, that's not all. It has a magnetic selector ring for cycling through the modes, and if you don't feel like doing that and need maximum power RIGHT THEN, press the MaxBlast tailcap.
OH, and some more features.
The Optimus also has an adjustable focus beam and a total internal reflector, meaning it gathers almost ALL of the light from the LED, while reflectors gather less. But, anyways, variable focus. It focuses the beam into either a pleasing wall of light(Indoor use, maybe.), or a sharp, piercing beam for throwing lots of lumen very far. And ask any member of the forums if the Surefire L4 is an amazing wall-of-light illumination tool, or if the L1 is an amazing thrower, and most, or all, will say yes. The beams on Surefires are some of my favorite. (The L4 in particular.)
It works by having a rippled "plate" over the total internal reflector, which moves further or closer to the TIR, redistributing the energy of the light. It, theoretically, would work great, with minimal light loss. Other focusable flashlights, like maglites, move the reflector further away from the beam, or closer to it, and reflectors have only one focal point. This means the beam becomes ridden with rings, holes, and imperfections, meaning less light if transmitted, meaning less visibility.
The body is made of aircraft-grade aluminum, an alloy extremely tough and resilient, and it transfers heat very well, not that LEDS produce alot of heat (not NEARLY as much as incandescents.). Oh, it uses a Lexan window, which is scratch, and shock resistant, with anti-reflective coatings on each side, meaning almost all of the light is transmitter to the target. It costs 289 USD and comes with 20 lithium primary Surefire batteries, my favorite brand. That's enough to last a VERY long time, as the Optimus takes 2 batteries.
I'm sure I missed a bunch of features, but that's all I can remember off the top of my head. You can guess that I spend alot of my time salivating at it. The only possible downside to this light I can ever think of: It doesn't use rechargeables, but they're extremely volatile and, unless you get protected ones, can die very, very soon if you overuse them. Protected rechargeables are expensive, and plus you need an expensive charger.. This stuff's enough to buy alot of Surefire Lithium 123s, which are 1.75 USD.

Woah, I just now realized I just created a wall of text describing a 6.5 inch, 6.5 ounce flashlight. Oh well, it benefits the person asking the question, and it makes me tingly recounting the features of this amazing tool in detail.

You can also gather how reliable Surefire is when I'm recommending a light not even out yet.

There's another model called the Invictus coming out later, which is the same light, except very slightly longer, and it has no variable-focus ability.
The upside?
It has..



400 LUMENS.
That seems merely like a number..
Go ask about the Surefire M6, a 500 lumen incandescent, and you'll know why it's so amazing. I would gladly shell out 400+ dollars for a 400 lumen Every Day Carry light. I'll probably get both. If I could pick one? Optimus. 200 Lumens is blindingly bright, which is why it has multiple modes. When I got my first multi-level I thought "I'll be using this on high all the time.", untill I actually SAW it.
 
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wall of text describing a 6.5 inch, 6.5 gram flashlight.




Although, i still can't imagine it only weighs 6.5 grams !


Even withOUT the batteries !


:whistle:

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Mercaptan

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wall of text describing a 6.5 inch, 6.5 gram flashlight.




Although, i still can't imagine it only weighs 6.5 grams !


Even withOUT the batteries !


:whistle:

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So... 1 gram more than a 6P, slightly longer... and all that versatility. Now the whole 280 dollar price tag is beginning to make sense. I can't wait for the first series of orders to go out; I'll bet there will be some frenzied/crazed posting occurring around that time.

By the way, I wish I had the 280 necessary to be 'on the fence' about this purchase, you can kindly donate to my paypal account and I'll get a review going, I swear.

Har har har. :laughing:
 

dandruff

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monocrom: yep! i was discussing the price/value of the light, i was toying with idea of just getting a tk10.

maxabeam: yes i'm aware that its not out yet.

this purchase is quite out of the ordinary for me. as you can see from my signature, my collection is quite paltry. i would describe myself as a 'restrained' flashaholic. this will only be my second SF. the only reason why i am considering it is because i had quite a good night at the casino:)
 

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Yikes !


Now, you've gotta' go back to a Dozen different posts,

and change "grams" to "ounces". :sigh:




But, i've gotta' say . . . .


Your enthusiasm for this Flashlight is certainly contagious !


We are ALL waiting for some hands-on reviews !

:twothumbs



( Just wish they'd offer it in Purple )

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maxa beam

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Yikes !


Now, you've gotta' go back to a Dozen different posts,

and change "grams" to "ounces". :sigh:




But, i've gotta' say . . . .


Your enthusiasm for this Flashlight is certainly contagious !


We are ALL waiting for some hands-on reviews !

:twothumbs



( Just wish they'd offer it in Purple )

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Blargh, I'll just do the recent ones.

I'll certainly post magnitudes of beamshots and a review on it after around one month of use to get used to it.
 

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Ask any given member here what the best brand of flashlight is and nine out of ten will tell you "Surefire".
It'd be interesting to test that theory... I doubt the results would be at all as you expect, even if we excluded custom manufacturers.

I'd feel rude picking apart all the misinformation here, but these kinds of straight-from-the-marketing team posts make me very uncomfortable after all the trouble I've had with SF. I love them (and hate them sometimes, though it hasn't stopped me from buying far more of them than I need), but they're the only company I've had multiple quality problems with. However, your enthusiasm for the light makes me smile, sometimes it's nice in a way to see someone get so intensely excited about their hobby.
 

maxa beam

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It'd be interesting to test that theory... I doubt the results would be at all as you expect, even if we excluded custom manufacturers.

I'd feel rude picking apart all the misinformation here, but these kinds of straight-from-the-marketing team posts make me very uncomfortable after all the trouble I've had with SF. I love them (and hate them sometimes, though it hasn't stopped me from buying far more of them than I need), but they're the only company I've had multiple quality problems with. However, your enthusiasm for the light makes me smile, sometimes it's nice in a way to see someone get so intensely excited about their hobby.
I might put up a poll.

I'm not an associate of Surefire, merely a squeaky fanboy.
That's weird. What problems did you have?
I don't think the military would use them if they were unreliable.
 

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nothing is 100% reliable..even surefire...:)

even carying a back up light only give you about 99.9% reliablilty...

thats why you carry three ;)

Crenshaw
 

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What problems did you have?
Well since you asked, let's see... I'll go in the order that I got them (some of these issues are very minor, some are very irritating, only one is a potential reliability problem). Sorry, this will be long.

6P: After sitting around a while the tailswitch developed a sticky action (it clicks when you break the stickiness every time you push it). I asked SF for a lubricant suggestion that might free it up again since I was already contacting them about another issue and they just immediately said they'd send me a new one. Hasn't arrived yet, but very good service from them if it does. I love it when a company really stands behind its product.

L2: The usual donut hole and a very green tint on low (enough so that people have commented on it). They definitely do not sort out undesirably tinted leds, though that's understandable since it would cost them a lot of money and time; LuxVs are very vulnerable to the old lottery. The donut was fixed with an application of write right. There are no instructions on how to properly remove the lanyard ring so I, like many, broke it getting it off (it's easy once you know how they're put together, haven't hurt one since). I asked them for a new ring since it's like a 10c part, they sent me a whole lanyard... for an E2. No ring and the hook is too big for the clip attachment on the L2 (it actually doesn't even fit the E2 it's meant for I don't think). No big deal, I've found I don't like the rings anyway.

E1e: Clicky switch ceased to engage after less than two days of just occasional playing with it around the house. Momentary still worked. Contacted support, never heard back from them. Ended up taking it apart, stretching out the, evidently, low quality spring they use, and I haven't had a problem with it since. Still irks me that this ~$30 tailcap sounds just like the clicky on a $2 ballpoint pen when you shake, but the pen's switch is far more reliable.

G2: Leaked slightly through tailcap in about a foot of water.

L1 Cree: The led/optic is just ridiculously misaligned, would have been absolutely impossible to miss it if they'd bothered to turn it on and check it at all. The spot is off-center, there's a big coronal shadow (kind of like the ones their marketing insists can not be found in any of their lights, only the competition's) encroaching on one side of the spot, the opposite side of the spot is hugged by a crescent of light on the other side of a subtle dark ring, and a ring towards the center of the spill forms a 3/4 circle. The screwed up beam made it nearly unusable to me (I've gotten somewhat beam-snobby after a year of denial, trying to convince myself the hole in my $140 L2's beam didn't really bother me in actual use), but I love the tint I got and didn't want to send it back to SF, wait a couple months, and hope to get back something entirely better than what I sent them. Then it leaked badly when just quickly washed off in the sink, not submerged beyond the water that could collect in my cupped hands. It was blowing bubbles out the tail whenever I screwed down the cap, battery was wet. Looked closer and found the retaining ring was improperly installed, it stuck out above the end of the cap and was loose enough that the rubber boot could be spun freely, so there was basically no water seal at all. I left it apart to dry out for about a week after rinsing out the soap as best I could, but its bath damaged the switch's contacts so that it now flickers when activated momentarily. SF agreed to send me a new cap but told me "non[sic] of our lights are water resistant and not submersible. They are listed as weather resistant." Like you, I regard these lights as waterproof to one atmosphere, since that's apparently what they've said of all current production SFs according to FLR, but apparently they don't want to be held to that. Their catalog says about the same thing, "weatherproof." (I've also seen McGizmo's photos of PK diving with his lights, but I'm sure they were specially prepared.)

And none of my SFs have properly aligned witness marks except for the 6P (because it's the oldest? because they pay more attention to this model? fluke?) and the ML1 (which was taken apart and realigned by Milky; I hope that service isn't a secret since he doesn't do it for every light; sounds like it's a pain to do).

I've never had these kinds of problems with any other american made light, even ones costing half as much. My HDS, NovaTac, Peaks, Inovas, StreamLights, and even Mags have been pretty much flawless, perfectly assembled, completely waterproof, and usually nicely tinted.

So why do I love them? They sure do feel good in the hand, I like their appearance, they really are built tough, they're reliable as long as they don't fall victim to poor quality control, the company stands behind everything they make as long as you're patient, and their two stage switch is one of the best interfaces in the world of flashlights. However, after buying so many of them, hoping I get a flawless one, and losing to various degrees on about half of them, I no longer recommend them to others. When I, from my supposed position of knowledge, recommend a light and it turns up with a deformity that causes the new owner to be disappointed and regretful, I'm shamed. Now I stick to lights I have experience with, am familiar with, and know won't disappoint. (It surprises my friends, they see me with SureFires more than any other brand but I try to dissuade them from buying them themselves.)

Everone knows 5 lights is the new 3!
Nicely put! I'm guilty of adhering to this rule all too often...
 
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